Dating Is Rough for Gen Z, Especially for Men Who Support Trump | Opinion

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It was made illegal in various states because the majority of voters in those states voted for it to be illegal in what is called a “democratic” process.

Are you kidding me? No it was not. After Roe fell, various conservative state government leaders simply passed it and they did it quickly so people couldn't plan out their life based on it either. In some cases, there have been referendums to cancel what the state leaders originally banned but in many or most cases, there was no statewide election to put it into place. In many cases there has been no referendum to cancel it out.

Even if it was, people should not have a right to vote on somebody else's bodily autonomy. This should be considered indentured servitude. This is the number one human right and if you don't have this, nothing else is of much benefit. Seriously, what good does it do to have the right to fre speech, be able to go to school, run a business, own land, vote, run for office, buy a gun, smoke pot, get married or divorced, etc. If you cannot control your own damn body.

Everything about this so called pro-life (anti-choice) is nothing but religious mumbo jumbo courtesy of the Religious Right. Their view is that a lower order of life is more important than a higher form of life and this challenges the prevailing definition of murder to something most of us don't agree with.

It hasn’t been banned nationwide which is what they think is trying to be done..

I honestly don't know if they would ban it nationwide as Trump does nothing but lie. A lot of conservatives have said for years that they wouldn't ban abortion and/or Roe was settled- but their good word wasn't worth much there was it?

No, that's not the point. It's mostly banned in much of the South (a very large area) so that's bad enough as it is. Our goal now is removing the ban not only all across the U.S. but the whole entire world.

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Being right? Right about what? Religious nations and places are always a disaster compared to the few secular nations out there. Most educated people nowadays are more unlikely to be religious compared to the ignorant.

Whole family values? What values are those? Please list what you consider to be a "family value" because Republicans have been harping on about this for years without much display.

Modernism? I'm sorry- you're against computers or the internet or whatever?

Feminism? Traditional first and second waves were great. I'm not as impressed with the later versions and think they could be much improved by simply helping women to be physically fit, highly skilled, and hold positions of power and influence. But they need to ignore their excessive focus on men. I suppose I agree with men on that?

Independence? Everyone should strive to be as self sufficient as possible. Everyone should try to read and keep up with world events. Everyone should constantly improve themselves by learning and improving their skillset. IMHO every American should be a prepper as well. So yes, independence is good. That's one of the reasons we're put on this earth. What do you think people are supposed to be? Stupid, weak and dependent?

Need no man policies to the extreme? I don't know anyone who thinks like that. The vast majority of women I know have good relations with their male family members, a few male friends/colleagues, as well as good dating and/or romantic relationships. They simply avoid dating religious conservative types. Honestly, they're pretty gross and disgusting so it's impossible to be attracted to them anyway but I suppose the feeling is mutal. For what it's worth, there are lots of liberal types of men I very much respect and admire.

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Where is your source for the fact that unreligious people being smarter than the ones who believe, I am waiting.

Second of all, family values are the traditional roles of a family. Examples, the mother is the childcare taker while the father is the protector of the family and the provider financially. More than this, there is the responsibility and love that it’s in the family, the husband loves his wife, the wife loves her husband and they both love their child.

Third of all, modernism is the opposite of traditionalism, if you never seen the connection.

Forth of all, on this subreddit we criticize and detest the modern one from the 2nd wave from then, not the whole ideology history.

Fifth of all, I said independence taken to the extreme.

And sixth of all, literally all subreddit of Feminism has that, hating on men and say “Oh I don’t want a man” or women complaining that they fear changing their name cause of marriage. I also have liberal friends and they detest the community, and even in my high school class there were 3 of my male friends who were used by their girlfriends and guess what, the mates were conservatives and wanted only to be respected

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Where is your source for the fact that unreligious people being smarter than the ones who believe, I am waiting.

Here are three decent sources. How many do you need?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence#:~:text=The%20authors%20also%20investigated%20the,be%20%22highly%20statistically%20significant%22.

Researchers Helmuth Nyborg and Richard Lynn compared belief in God and IQs.[6] Using data from a U.S. study of 6,825 adolescents, the authors found that the average IQ of atheists was 6 points higher than the average IQ of non-atheists. The authors also investigated the link between belief in a god and average national IQs in 137 countries. The authors reported a correlation of 0.60 between atheism rates and level of intelligence, which was determined to be "highly statistically significant".

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https://www.psypost.org/meta-analysis-of-83-studies-produces-very-strong-evidence-for-a-negative-relationship-between-intelligence-and-religiosity/

Meta-analysis of 83 studies produces ‘very strong’ evidence for a negative relationship between intelligence and religiosity

New research confirms that there is a negative relationship between religiosity and intelligence. The findings have been published in the scientific journal Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin.

“Religiosity is a pervasive phenomenon. Its influence can be felt in all spheres of life. However, a sizeable portion of the population defines itself as atheist. Why do some people decide not to be religious? I thought it was an important and fascinating question,” said study author Miron Zuckerman of the University of Rochester.

Zuckerman and his colleagues previously conducted a meta-analysis of 63 studies, which found “a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity.” In other words, religious people tend to be less intelligent than non-religious people on average.

But that finding provoked a great deal of controversy. “Comments in the media ranged from expressions of surprise and curiosity to skepticism or even disdain about what intelligence tests actually measure,” the researchers wrote in their new study.

So Zuckerman and his colleagues decided to conduct another analysis with updated data. “Collecting new data to ascertain the validity of previous findings is crucial for science anytime, but especially when the subject matter is socially relevant and emotionally fraught,” they explained.

The new meta-analysis, which included data from 61 studies from the previous meta-analysis and new data from 22 studies conducted from 2012 to 2018, confirmed the previous findings. It also found no evidence that the negative relationship between religiosity and intelligence was growing weaker in recent years.

The results were based on data from more than 110,000 participants in total.

“The evidence that there is a negative relation between intelligence and religiosity is very strong. But the effect size of the relation is small. This means that there are factors besides intelligence that explain why people are or are not religious. It also means that although more intelligent people tend to be less religious on the average, predicting religiosity from intelligence for individuals is fallible,” Zuckerman told PsyPost.

The researchers also found evidence that cognitive styles explained some of the relationship between religiosity and intelligence. In particular, an analytic (as opposed to intuitive) thinking style was related to both increased intelligence and reduced religiosity.

“Although we present reasons for the negative relation, the empirical evidence for these explanation is not definitive,” Zuckerman said.

In addition, most of the studies were conducted in the United States. It is unclear if the findings apply to Eastern religions such as Buddhism and Hinduism.

“The negative relation was established for western societies. We don’t know whether it generalizes to other populations, particularly those in the Far East,” Zuckerman explained.

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https://www.bps.org.uk/research-digest/are-religious-people-really-less-smart-average-atheists

Are religious people really less smart, on average, than atheists?Various studies have found that, on average, belief in God is associated with lower scores on IQ tests.

One suggestion is that perhaps religious people tend to rely more on intuition. So, rather than having impaired general intelligence, they might be comparatively poor only on tasks in which intuition and logic come into conflict – and this might explain the lower overall IQ test results.

To investigate, Daws and Hampshire surveyed more than 63,000 people online, and had them complete a 30-minute set of 12 cognitive tasks that measured planning, reasoning, attention and working memory. The participants also indicated whether they were religious, agnostic or atheist.

As predicted, the atheists performed better overall than the religious participants, even after controlling for demographic factors like age and education. Agnostics tended to place between atheists and believers on all tasks. In fact, strength of religious conviction correlated with poorer cognitive performance. However, while the religious respondents performed worse overall on tasks that required reasoning, there were only very small differences in working memory.

Also, some of the reasoning tasks, such as an extra-hard version of the Stroop Task known as "colour-word remapping", had been designed to create maximum conflict between an intuitive response and a logical one, and the biggest group differences emerged on these tasks, consistent with the idea that religious people rely more on their intuition. In contrast, for a complex reasoning task – "deductive reasoning" – for which there were no obviously intuitive answers, there was much less of a group difference.

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Yk that IQ doesn’t define intelligence as a whole right, the IQ test is under a structure of logic and number groups. I took one and I scored 124, yet I have a photogenic memory and also have the skill of remembering things very fast and a lot. That way I managed to know all US States, their capitals, all 195 countries and their flags and 90% of their capitals, car brands when I was 6 and also traffic signs. None were in the tests for IQ. “An IQ test is an assessment that measures a wide range of cognitive abilities and provides scores intended to assess an individual’s intellectual abilities and potential. However, recent studies show that IQ is not a good indicator to comprehensively assess human intelligence.” (Quoted from Polytechnic Insights) Moreover, religion isn’t the reason why IQ is low, is the country itself who doesn’t fund education due to corruption. For example Afghanistan or Syria and so on

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Second of all, family values are the traditional roles of a family. Examples, the mother is the childcare taker while the father is the protector of the family and the provider financially.

But this is not a really accurate depiction of traditional roles. One of the biggest myths is that the traditional male role is a breadwinner type who has a job and pays for everything while the wife is mostly just a housewife who sits at home with the children with little skills or functions to society. It's also a myth that women back then didn't work. Some women worked but they were generally widows and young unmarried women. Lots of people didn't like the idea of married mothers working.

People throughout history were way more self sufficient than today with women tended to work indoors: cooking, cleaning, sewing or spinning, laundry, taking care of children, etc. while men tended to work outdoors: plowing the land, building and mending structures, tending to animal duties, maybe hunting or fishing and/or shepherding, and so on. Depending on how far back you go, people often had to make almost everything they owned.

Women couldn't just open up a can of beans or seasoning mix to make chili. They had to grow, clean, and shell everthing. They had to churn their own butter and make their own cheeses. They had to preserve their own late summer harvest for winter so their family didn't starve. To do laundry they might have to make up their own cleaning agent and handscrub on a washboard by a creek or bucket of water. And forget sewing, once you get well into history, women were mostly spinners, not sewers, because they had to come up with their own yard/thread. It was the same for men as they couldn't just run to the store and buy a hammer and nails. They had to make all their tools and fasteners. They might have to know something about metalworking or get with someone who did. Maybe they built their own furniture or made their own candles, or worked with leather to make their own saddles or belts.

The vast majority of people in history worked the land for thousands of years this way. These type of people worked from sunrise to sunset to make the few things they owned but the man didn't go "off" to a job. So it's really ridiculous for people to expect the man to be "modern" and get a job to provide for his family and basically live in the 21st century, while they also idealize a "traditional" woman that is essentially backwards and just babysits her own children and engages in light housework. The traditional male and female jobs have mostly been outsourced. Everything about our modern ideas about this ideal is based on the early 20th century when people first got electricity, indoor plumbing and sanitation, began shopping at grocery stores, and using modern appliances and electronics.

Don't get me wrong, I've paid a lot of attention to homesteading and how to be self sufficient recently and actually think it's a great way for modern people to live if they can get it to work out. I just get tired of the prevailing myths that:

women in history didn't really do anything to benefit society
the ideal woman is little more than a breeder and babysitter because that's supposedly the historical model
a woman is deficient if she "works" despite the fact that traditional female roles have been outsourced
a man is deficient if he does NOT work- and pay for everybody else
men are supposed to be modern and live in the 21st century while women are supposed to be backwards and hang out with children

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Women in 2024 are mostly single cause one, men are afraid to approach women cause of all high unrealistic standards and fear of judgement with creep or rapist.

There are still lots of people who meet online or get to know each other organically. They have a social circle and get to know people from other people. In fact that's the best way to get to know people.

women are brainwashed with the topic of getting careers and also getting a relationship

Women aren't brainwashed into anything. Many women are naturally ambitious, intelligent, creative, and energetic so of course it's often more interesting to put their skills and talents to use. Of course in many cases it pays better than moping around the house or playing games too. As far as being in a relationship while working, maybe some men aren't as picky as you? Maybe some men respect women who have these traits I listed?

then complain at 40 that you are still single.

This is the problem with some men nowadays. They spend half of their time whining about how picky women supposedly are. And they spend their other half being picky themselves. They hate on single mothers, fat girls, older women (anybody two years older than them is too old), too liberal (or "communist"), too atheist, etc. It's impossible to respect this hypocrisy. Everybody knows that most men are obsessed with young, slender, beautiful women but there's not enough to meet demand.

And lastly three, a lot women now do hate Trump voting men cause they are again brainwashed by feminism propaganda

No, we hate them due to natural instincts. Many of us admire people with higher thoughts and deeper feelings. Most conservatives are based on lower thoughts and shallow feelings. Most of them (both men and women) are mostly devoid of intelligence, creativity, sensitivity, and other qualities that separate humans from animals. I understand they are human but they come across as sorta half person half beast, whereas a lot of liberals come across as more of a half person half god. I'm still an independent/moderate that disagrees with liberals but the difference is I respect their opinion even if I disagree with it. As of late, I don't respect conservatives because they are so brainwashed by religion and superstitious nonsense. They've just become so animalistic and zombie like. It's a very profound disgust that I cannot begin to explain but I tried to convey it the best way I could. And yes, I know the feeling is mutual.

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First, meeting online doesn’t always have the same impact as meeting in person for the first time, I can tell you that. And neither is Tinder for dating, most of the time is only friendzoned.

Second, I ain’t picky, I am having with 99% less traits I want in a woman than most girls out there seeing in a man who has traits of a superhuman.

Third, I don’t defend the traits men have, but if you say that then also look at girls who want 6’7, 6 pack, husky voice, have a top car, win 100k a year, be a model looking one, have a huge yk what, which is like 1% of the population. And unlike men, they keep these traits for all life, men lower their standards

Fourth, I am from the Eastern Bloc, I know how liberals and the left is and every youth detests it cause they are literally uneducated, the minister having 7.2/10 at the final test at school is insanely low for his job, and then they expect listening to his own views of prosperity and thrive. Moreover, conservative here is literally the most loved cause Eastern Europe has been built by it, and modernity brought into it has failed cause it’s literally alien to the population

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Title	Dating Is Rough for Gen Z, Especially for Men Who Support Trump \| Opinion
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Date	November 1, 2024 6:23 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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