Now seems like a good time to remind that men have consistently voted less than women for candidates from the Democratic Party starting from 1980

Grow_peace_in_Bedlam · 2024-11-07T22:48:27+00:00

Mexico just elected its first female president with greater support from men than from women (yes I know that there were two female candidates in the race, but there was also a male candidate, and men still voted for either of the two female candidates ever so slightly more often than women did). It's the quality of the candidate, not the gender.

Also, are we really going to argue that the US is more old school about gender roles than Mexico is (even though women got the right to vote at the federal level 30 years earlier in the former than in the latter)?

Men_And_The_Election · 2024-11-07T21:33:37+00:00

Another thing regarding this I call Sutton’s Key. In every election sine 1972, Dems have won when they are at -8% or better among men, and lost when they are worse than -8%. This year, early exit polls I’ve seen range from -10 to -12%, so the pattern holds. https://open.substack.com/pub/menandthe2024election/p/election-post-mortem-the-8-magic?r=hkc4i&utm_medium=ios

Ok-Importance-6815 · 2024-11-07T21:54:39+00:00

the British right wing has consistently been willing to get behind female candidates. I don't think the countries are very apart on cultural gender issues (except for the US abortion debate being much more toxic and charged because their constitution is fucked and for some reason laws are passed by musical chairs)

If the Democrats tried running women who weren't also shit at politics they might have more success

this latest blame game isn't really about men it's about the fact democrats can't fail they can only be failed

idkcoding101 · 2024-11-07T23:43:11+00:00

I honestly just want to throw a spanner in the works and have the first female president be a republican or something (yes I know the name of this sub and I consider myself left leaning) but I just feel it’d be a good middle ground of the political gender war.

Edit: spanner not spammer, autocorrect chose the wrong word again while I was writing this.

JustTheSpecsPlease · 2024-11-08T01:43:05+00:00

Early in Harris' campaign, she told the crowd "If you want to know who cares about you, look at who fights for you."

Following that, we heard a litany of women's issues as the forefront of her campaign.

In the past few weeks, we've heard an unending stream of "why are younger male voters voting for Trump?"

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm all for working to resolve those women's issues, and longstanding issues we have had with addressing true equality in this country for our most underserved groups. I'm in, I'm old, and I get it. Just because she hasn't specifically addressed my value as a citizen and constituent doesn't necessarily mean I'll still be demonized just because I'm a man.

Still, if I were a new voter, and listened to the many ways women were to be supported, and had grown up on a steady diet of toxic masculinity callouts and labeling, why would I not vote for the one person who isn't choosing to demonize me as a male?

I'm not saying this is the only reason, but Harris' very obvious refusal to fight for even the most superficial of men's issues helped her lose male voters.

Male voters are far too large of a constituency to simply blame and ignore.

BainsAgenda99 · 2024-11-07T21:18:13+00:00

Good post.

MealReadytoEat_ · 2024-11-08T05:36:57+00:00

To add some more history, from suffrage in 1920 to the 1960's white women's votes slowly started to catch up to white men's, leaning more toward the christian conservatism of the GOP while white men leaned more toward the unionism of the democratic party. This collation collapsed over the 60's and 70's over many things; from the Civil Rights Movement and Black people getting the vote in some real capacity with the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the increasing reintroduction of women into the workforce with the second wave of feminism, the tensions both had with white male dominated organized labor that contributed to the start of the long decline in union membership. After Roe V Wade passed in 1973 the GOP started to double down on christian conservative women's vote, which got the Hyde amendment passed in 1977. This ended with near total political polarization on feminism and the institutions of the 2nd wave feminist movement largely subsumed into the state and the Democratic party political machine in significant part to drive out a counter force of pro-choice women, which since their blow-out loss to Ronald Regan against the incumbent Jimmy carter in the 1980 election where women not only significantly out voted men for the first time in a presidential election, but also voted significantly for the Democrats more than Republicans for the for the first time.

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