where does misogyny start and how would you compare it to misandry without double standards?

Glad-Way-637 · 2026-03-26T03:12:01+00:00

Something becomes misogyny when it stops being a criticism of a specific woman or group and starts being a sweeping insult/generalization of women as a whole. Same as misandry, tbh.

For example, saying that women shouldn't be allowed to vote is very obviously misogyny. Saying that feminism frequently provides space for women to air out their misandrist opinions with a thin veneer of societal critique is not.

The abortion thing is a very, very entrenched argument, more about when someone becomes a person with a life worth protecting than anything else. As someone who only really considers a human to be a person when they have a personality and inner-world that's differentiable from the average animal, I'm fine with abortion.

I don't know who the Gaines person is, but Trump and tate are certainly misogynists.

As for the equal oppurtunity argument, I find that it's mostly one about equality of oppurtunity vs equality of outcome. Do you have specific questions on it?

Glad-Way-637 · 2026-03-26T03:39:38+00:00

Did my other reply to this post get deleted? Am I the only one who can see it? Sorry, the message for it just showed up a bit oddly on my end.

World-Three · 2026-03-26T07:52:31+00:00

I'd say misandry starts before a child even knows what it is. When boys are told they can't cry anymore, can't ask for help and needs to defend himself, has to figure things out alone, is told that women who hit him can't be hit back, or told smaller people can hit and disrespect him in the same way women do "you're twice his size". Is asked why he didn't do something about something that has nothing to do with him...

There's a lot, but honestly misandry is mixed with personal expectations of men without giving him anything. It's not much of a double standard as it is no standard and a standard.

In my opinion, mysogyny feels more like a response to that experience. If men are the only people required to fight, why are people who aren't required to defend the standard allowed to shift what it is?

Personalities or misogynist people don't actually suffer the consequences of their actions. Who cares if people hate them. They're married, got a bunch of kids, and are making money.

If there are no consequences for being bad, then being bad is simply immoral, and doesn't have consequences if those people have no shame.

That is where the issue is. What consequences do true misogynists or misandrists suffer? The casual misogynist might have their groups banned or get banned. Does that change who they are? No. Misandrists suffer absolutely nothing and are free to hate men. Shaking your finger or fist at them supposed to make them feel bad? Pound sand you worthless man!

Given the circumstances... Hell, given the consequences, there isn't any gain to be had. Men are still expected to do what they've always done, if he speaks out against it, he's an incel, if he embraces that and gets out of line, he's a misogynist and can be banned. Misandrists can literally ignore every TOS update because they're grandfathered into oppression reperation.

lasciate · 2026-03-26T09:19:40+00:00

are traditional gender roles "provide + protect and nurture + support" misogyny

Taking a benefit and calling it a burden is what slave owners and aristocrats did for millennia to justify profiting off of the labor and lives of others. They claimed they were charged with "civilizing" or spiritually enriching (typically by their mere divine presence and not any actual action) the lower classes and, therefore, deserved their privileges.

...Privileges which contradictorily included having those classes killed on a whim.

Feminists do the same exact things and even use the same reasoning. When you follow an ad hoc, [quasi-]religious ideology centered around your own accumulation of wealth, power, and consideration to the express detriment of others you can twist anything to reframe it in a way beneficial to you. That includes pretending you're actually being harmed by attaining a "burdensome" amount of wealth, power, and consideration. Remember that such backwards logic begins with a goal (i.e. a preordained conclusion) and fills in the premises and reasoning as needed to justify, promote, and pursue said goal. It cannot ever be proven wrong because it is in a state of constant flux. If the ideology appears wrong or becomes inconvenient then it instantly shifts to something more useful and never was anything else. Repeat ad infinitum.

The same applies even to feminists themselves. They exist in a quantum super-position of being feminists and not being feminists until their benefit to feminism is measured. When they become a liability to the movement they are not and never were feminists. If they become useful again - or, often times, if you merely walk 10 feet away - they're feminists in good standing once again.

In other words: no, women expecting, demanding, and/or benefiting from the unilateral protection, provision, and general support of men is not misogyny.

0CupofMilk · 2026-04-28T14:45:59+00:00

Women have a strong infatuation with the term “misogyny”. Unfortunately, their infatuation with usage overrides their concern for accuracy. Essentially, there’s a textbook definition of the term misogyny, and there’s a female definition of misogyny.

Textbook misogyny is based on a dislike, contempt, or baseless prejudice against women. Female-defined misogyny is essentially any behavior or belief that’s at odds with women’s desires.

Are you acknowledging a pattern of female behavior that doesn’t paint them in a positive light? Misogyny. Do you disagree with women on a specific topic? Such as due process, romance, or family court? Misogyny. Are you not a fan of something female-led that women feel empowered by? Such as movies, politicians, and public figures? Misogyny.

Essentially, women have their own ideas of how society should play out. If you’re not on board with it, regardless of reason or rhetoric, it’s because you’re a “misogynist”. Women love their version of this definition because it helps them dismiss criticism-if not outright silence it. Their concern for a narrative and an echo chamber is stronger than their concern for any uncomfortable truths.

Title	where does misogyny start and how would you compare it to misandry without double standards?
Author	Main-Tiger8537
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Date	March 25, 2026 7:59 PM UTC (4 months ago)
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