But has to get put forward as one by both liberals and conservatives who don't have class conscious politics and have to come up with different battle lines to draw. Which almost always end up being cultural, particularly because after decades of red scare propaganda, it's the only thing we know how to argue about

The problem with cultural politics is that you can't legislate or litigate them. You can't pass the 'be nice to black people and women' act, you can't force people to think a certain way, you can only nudge them slowly in the right direction by changing the material inputs and outputs of society, relieving stress and pressure on the great mass of society to the point where they're able to let their guard down and not feel a sense of directionless angst that needs to be blamed on someone. Which leads to this downward spiralling blame game that only makes things worse and more unpleasant, more necessity for blame. All because the actual root of the problem is going unaddressed, and just as importantly, undiscussed. Leftists are significantly less neurotic than liberals about this, because we can be serious and materialistic about problems and their solutions and not uselessly beat our heads against the culture wall over and over and over again without realizing that it's not doing anything. Patriarchy isn't going to be dismantled by telling enough men to 'do better', that's just going to trigger some deep-seated insecurities they got from life as an alienated capitalist slop hog and make them resent you even more, they feel powerless and miserable, they don't feel like they can 'do' anything and you're sure not fucking helping. We do live in a patriarchal society, but it was nobody's idea and nobody is actively, explicitly upholding it, we've just inherited thousands of years of the built up consequences of class society, and the only way to resolve that problem is to start taking down... class society

A question that may naturally arise out of talking about this, is 'why are you using this position to critique women/feminists and not men?' well, because the only meaningful political struggle that does exist is the one between left and right, again not to dismiss whichever other struggle you think matters, just that the left/right struggle is the only vehicle where any of this gets moved anywhere on large scale- i.e. advances in the women's movement have been accompanied and precipitated at every step by economic development and changing labor relations, and the most successful and important anti-racist institutions in America are labor unions.

I am a leftist, feminists by default fall onto the left wing of the spectrum, radicalized chuds who get really into Andrew Tate and turn their insecurities into evil are by definition on the right. They're not on my team, I'm not responsible for them or what they say, do, or believe, because I think the right needs to be completely smashed and scattered as a political coalition until they have no power whatsoever, and 'men' are not a coherent class of people in any remote capacity. It's the same reason Palestine protestors only ever yelled at Democrats- What would the point be of lobbying Zionist republicans for Palestine? As a leftist, I take more issue with toxic radlib feminists because they're ostensibly on my team. And I want them to stop fumbling this bag for us, as a young man myself I know from personal experience that the messages young men get from 'the culture' DO deeply alienate and aggrieve them, AND that they ARE fully capable of embracing difficult conversations and left wing ideas if you're not such a fucking dickhead about it. Don't hit them with right wing personal responsibility arguments, victim blaming them for their own problems, don't approach them, their concerns, or their issues any differently than you're approach a mixed race non-binary pansexual hijabi amputee, don't tolerate or engage in hurtful language that you wouldn't tolerate or engage in with anyone else, and they will be happy to have these conversations. It's so fucking easy.

Left and Right have different win conditions, different strategies, different things they have to do in order to accomplish their goals. Leftists have to do better. They have to be more responsible, more thoughtful, more careful, more attentive and responsive to people's problems and needs, and less inclined to needlessly alienate. This means feminists have to be all of those things a lot more than 'manosphere' chuds do, because the whole point of the right is to be a pathological transgressive asshole. That is not something to envy, something to draw a false equivalence to, or something to 'whatabout' about, because it's a dead end, pure reactionary lashing out, the only reason that is their method of political expression is because they have no vision, goals, or project, just meaningless nihilistic bitterness. The fact that the left has a higher standard should be a point of pride, we have to uphold that standard because we're the only ones who can actually positively affect change.