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Apparently the conviction rate for rape in completed trials in England and Wales is 51.8%.

ReverendHaze

April 14, 2013

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Title	Apparently the conviction rate for rape in completed trials in England and Wales is 51.8%.
Author	ReverendHaze
Upvotes	20
Comments	29
Date	April 14, 2013 6:46 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]StandsInRefuse6 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]booo32 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]StandsInRefuse1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]ReverendHaze2 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]FallingSnowAngel3 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]luxury_banana7 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]Stephen_Morgan3 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]FallingSnowAngel0 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The difference is that many (but not all) forms of violence leave marks behind, many forms of theft involve a change in possession, and there are many people who don't have a lawyer talented enough to let them get away with fraud, even in the 21st century.

When it comes to rape, all the rules change. To understand why, let's pretend that every single case of theft was actually an unauthorized trade. Whatever was taken, was replaced with something else. Think of your favorite thing, and imagine all the things that might replace it, where nobody would believe you, if you claimed it was stolen.

Now imagine what was taken from you was destroyed, purely as part of a power trip.

In order to secure a conviction, you'd need to prove that you didn't want what was given you. You'd be told all the reasons it was nicer than what was taken away from you. You'd watch as other people gave their opinions on the trade. Some of those people would even be jealous. The question would be asked why a life was being ruined for something so insignificant?

The only one who would understand what was done to you, would be you.

Okay, got it so far?

Now imagine if securing a conviction involved complete strangers sticking things up your ass, and arguing about the results.

Or if you think you might enjoy that, imagine them sticking things into the hole at the tip of your penis instead. Because there needs to be that feeling of danger in order to really understand it all.

Edit: Since I need to explain: PTSD and sexual shaming. Just because you can't see the wounds doesn't mean they don't exist. Just because not every victim will experience this, doesn't mean you can dismiss those who do.

[–]Stephen_Morgan1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]FallingSnowAngel0 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

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[–]typhonblue1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

and feminists were the only ones who ever gave a shit about me?

And yet it's a prominent feminist who made it so what happened to you isn't recorded as rape.

http://www.genderratic.com/p/2551/male-privilege-defining-male-victims-out-of-existence/

TL;DR = Mary Koss defines male victims of female rapists out of existence.

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1btu0n/cdcs_response_to_whether_they_will_categorize/

TL; DR = Mary Koss consults for the CDC and the CDC in it's most recent survey into Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence would have not counted you as having been raped.

Individual feminists may or may not be decent people; but institutional feminism is not your friend.

but men are the reason why I can't do a thing about it, unless I want to be the one arrested.

In a master-slave relationship, the master sets it up so that all caring is seen to flow from master to slave and that the slaves themselves enact violence upon each other to prevent them from forming any kind of brotherhood that would threaten the master's power.

Consider that men haven't shown you compassion because they are as much victims of the system as you are. In fact they may be thinking the exact same thing about you.

[–]FallingSnowAngel1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]typhonblue2 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]FallingSnowAngel1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]typhonblue1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

If you reject patriarchy theory, replacing it with matriarchy theory is simply the cheap way out.

Emotional reasoning. Patriarchy theory can be dismantled logically.

The main "evidence" of patriarchy is that more men occupy positions of power. There have been civilizations in history in which slaves occupied most of the ruling class but were still slaves.

As for "Matriarchy theory", if it can be logically supported then it is valid.

There are plenty of good men who wouldn't have done nearly so much to destroy me.

If there are "plenty of good men", then why focus on the bad?

why are radfems immune from the same privileges?

Because radfems are weaponizing their victimhood into a political force designed to take away men's rights.

Look at my example with Mary Koss. She has done more to impact your life and delegitimize your victimhood likely than any man you've met... simply by defining it out of existence.

And she's done that not just to you but every other male victim of a female rapist.

[–]FallingSnowAngel1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

A. I'm waiting to hear support for matriarchy theory. It seems more like we've funneled women into the liberal arts and social sciences, while men drop out due to being taken for granted/hostility/the culture of ignorance.

Both sexes who attend college will often be taken advantage of, financially.

B. If there are "plenty of good men", then why focus on the bad?

An intellectual awareness doesn't mean I know very many in person. This is why I come to Reddit, in part. I currently have no other way of meeting intelligent men who care enough to debate me. You're alien to me, in a way women aren't.

I seriously have trouble reading men. It's usually women who end up explaining them to me. Men, in turn, usually don't have much forgiveness for a man who isn't very good at being a man. At least, straight cismen don't. Trans men seem more cool about it...

But I have no idea why I'm telling you this. I'm sure you have your own worries.

Because radfems are weaponizing their victimhood into a political force designed to take away men's rights.

I know. I fear that's what will happen here as well.

How many male role models have been posted here? I've hoped to find out which men everyone here admires, and I still don't have any idea.

Look at my example with Mary Koss. She has done more to impact your life and delegitimize your victimhood likely than any man you've met... simply by defining it out of existence.

She only re-inforced the status quo.

Here's a question for you - if rape is the unspeakable worst thing a human can do to another, and envelopment against someone else's will isn't rape in the eyes of people like her...why isn't there a word for it that's just as unspeakable as rape?

Because trying to find anything about male victims of female rape, even in fiction, where envelopment was used...it's almost impossible. Unless I count comedies...

[–][deleted]1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

How many male role models have been posted here? I've hoped to find out which men everyone here admires, and I still don't have any idea.

Men typically do not have 'heroes' because of the nature of male worth vs. women's. Women's accomplishments are the woman, men simply are their accomplishments.

She only re-inforced the status quo.

And hindered almost all future attempts.

Here's a question for you - if rape is the unspeakable worst thing a human can do to another, and envelopment against someone else's will isn't rape in the eyes of people like her...why isn't there a word for it that's just as unspeakable as rape?

Because 'rape' is in women's purview. You simply cannot perform an act on a man that will come close to, in people who share her perspective, the abhorrence that rape does to women. Raping a woman is, above all else, violation. You cannot violate a man within our society. I'd figure that would obvious considering we're willing to slice off part of their penises for ostensible health and social benefits.

[–]typhonblue1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]Stephen_Morgan1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]ReverendHaze1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

There's a difference between the figure as you have it stated and how it's usually presented. About as often as not, it's not presented in terms of "reported rapes", but "even after bringing a case to court, only 6% of rapists are convicted."

It's not about disproof, as proof is impossible in scenarios such as this. It's about the idea that it's impossible to get a rape conviction. If it was such an impossible scenario, then more than 50% of cases wouldn't end in conviction. It's clearly possible to get a conviction.

The idea that it's impossible to get a conviction helps nobody. It doesn't help people who were actually raped and now refuse to go to court, it doesn't help those who are in court and now have to deal with a jury with strongly held preconceived notions of innocence or guilt and it doesn't help innocent people who are exonerated and still believed to be guilty because of the nebulous, evil system intent on keeping rapists on the streets.

[–]ClickclickClever-3 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You know all of people are just going too look at this and instead of actually admitting that there is an epidemic(at the very least a lot of) false rape claims, they are going to say that this is just rape culture and all of those men just got away with rape. When people want to believe something hard enough, they're going to believe it no matter anyone says.

Also I usually hear the 2% line about false accusations, which we all know is just bullshit. If I am reading this correct 8.9% don't even make it past their first appearance without charges being dropped(of course that doesn't mean they are all false accusations but I'm sure quite a few are). Now almost half of those charged with rape were proven in a court of law to be innocent and yet their names were published and lives most likely ruined. I don't know how it works in the UK but in the US for the next 10 years, your arrest record and that you had to go to trial for rape shows up in background checks which I'm sure looks great when these people try to get on with their lives and get a new job, since they most likely lost their old one when they were accused of rape. I can only imagine how many innocent men are sitting in jail or homeless now because of the system we have. All that said, I'm sure some of these bastards unfortunately got away with rape but with a system that is already slanted against the accused, I really doubt it's that many. Hopefully besides the crazy, ignorant people I mentioned above people will come to understand that changes need to be made to protect the innocent people that did nothing more wrong than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's a sad state of affairs how much this will be ignored, misconstrued, and just how many innocent men are still looked at as rapists because of their false accuser. It's a fucking terrible world for men, this could happen to any of us, any day.

[–]ReverendHaze2 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]Stephen_Morgan1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

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