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Why there cannot be equality

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August 28, 2013
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http://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1l6lu4/why_is_rmensrights_so_opposed_to_rtheredpill/cbwee6h


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Title Why there cannot be equality
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 39
Comments 21
Date 28 August 2013 04:20 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/174966
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1l9mmg/why_there_cannot_be_equality/
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[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 30 points31 points  (2 children) | Copy

There will never be equality because they are trying to negotiate with women who want superiority. Disposability aside, MRAs are trying to rationally engage a group that would try every trick in the book to get rid of them. Many MRAs seem to conveniently ignore the animosity and deceptiveness their opponents employ, and the utter contempt they have for MRAs.

Put feminists in their place or continue to fail the giant shit test. One way or another the movement will be put to rest, and I'd rather that be before it's allowed to wreck society further.

[–]Nutz76 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Put feminists in their place or continue to fail the giant shit test.

Paul Elam discussed that in his latest video. You cannot be calm and factual, you have to get indignant and nasty or nobody will take you seriously on the grand scale. It's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease after all.

[–]Sub8male -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

That just gets you called a bitter neckbeard loser. Explaining it to them like a child works a lot better.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

That's one way to look at it.

Another one is to ask the question:

"What the hell does equality mean, anyway?"

  • Does it mean everyone should treat everyone else the same?

Ridiculous. People aren't interchangeable.

  • Does it mean we all treat everyone equally well?

Also ridiculous. What is a unit of good treatment? How do we measure it? If we can't measure or compare two things, we can't make them equal.

  • Does it mean everyone has equal power?

Same problem. How do we measure power? How do we compare it?

  • Does it mean the law treats everyone the same?

Fine... but people are different. Men and women are different. Can't treat them the same because you have to legislate about, say, for example, reproductive issues.

  • Does it mean that everyone has equal protection of the law?

Sure could, but equal protection of an unequal law isn't equal.

So what possible definition of equality between men and women can possibly exist?

Answer is, none. We just have to try to use our judgement about, not what is equal, but what is fair.

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Answer is, none. We just have to try to use our judgement about, not what is equal, but what is fair.

I'll be honest... I don't even give a shit about what's fair because fair is meaningless. I care about what advances the goal.

What's the goal? To have a society which continually advances such that the next generation can, overall, enjoy a better life than the previous generation.

I'm sick and fucking tired of the last few generations (yakno.. post women's suffrage but it really picked up post modern feminism) shitting all over their children to get what they wanted now. They're trading long term losses for short term gains. How dare they talk about morals while they're selling their children into debt slavery.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

while they're selling their children into debt slavery.

Do you really think most of them even realize that?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You make such good points and then slip at the end :/

Wanting life to be fair is kinda childish. Nature isn't fair (fairness would counteract evolution). The world isn't fair and it doesn't need to be.

That's what we have society for. We made such things as insurances, to spread the costs of high damage risk on multiple people so life becomes more bearable.

Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_fallacy

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You mistake me.

Using the word "fair" isn't the same as wanting the universe to be fair, and wanting the universe to be fair isn't the same as thinking that it is.

The notion of justice is a piece of social and mental technology, one of the oldest we have. It is in fact, so old that it is ingrained in hominds... studies show that chimps and spider monkeys will forego a personal reward to deny one to others who have behaved "unfairly".

Without this notion of fairness, we do not have a model for incentivizing the behaviours we desire in others.

This not the same as believing the universe is just.

In more concrete terms, what I mean by fairness to both women and men is that both women and men have different needs, and are suited to make different contributions to others, individually or collectively. But if we expect them to do so, we must match incentives to contributions, and the nature of those incentives to needs. Neither men nor women will participate in your "society" if it does not give to them at least as much value as it extracts from them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I see, I made a wrong assumption of what you meant by it.

High five

[–]Clauderoughly 18 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy

MR is full of male feminists these days who think female feminists can be reasoned with or dealt with like adults.

90% of the posts in MR is "Look how mean feminists are to men ! Boo hoo hoo !"

[–]1Ill_mumble_that 21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

Those poor confused betas.

You know who doesn't complain? An alpha male who is getting ass on a daily basis while out there manipulating the system to his advantage to churn a profit.

That's reality. The current leaders who are men don't give a shit about other men, they have the current system wrapped around their fingers. Feminists don't give a shit about men. Women don't care about men until they end up as mothers with sons.

That's how it is. Complaining is going to do absolutely fuck all because nobody is going to listen. It works for women because that is all women know how to do, but even whitenknight-tards are starting to ignore it because of what listening to it has caused.

[–]Lok_Die 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The more savage and brutal you are, the more women will fall into traditional gender roles.

The more they bend over like good girls, knowing what they are actually worth.

[–]LaserSoundMusic 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They are a bunch of pussies, gigantic pussies.

[–]Ronfar 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

They've got Steven Pinker's The Blank Slate on their sidebar's reading list, but a lot of the members at /r/MensRights still believe in egalitarianism and the blank slate...

[–]no_game_player 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Probably just read the title and not the book...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A subreddit is not a classroom nor a gang nor a tribe (and not a single person).
It's a very loose form or organization.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (10 children) | Copy

In the interest of fairness, I have to say: I have legitimately had conversations with people who do in fact argue for equality of rights, responsibility, and disposability. I have.

The problem as I see it comes back to this: It is instinctive for the vast majority of people to realize that a woman is NOT as disposable as a man.

Sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive.

Paraphrasing /u/girlwriteswhat from a blogpost a good while ago: One man with ten women equals ten babies. And every human being instinctively knows that flipping those numbers to the reverse is a terrible, terrible survival strategy.

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

It is instinctive for the vast majority of people to realize that a woman is NOT as disposable as a man.

Another one of my other soundbites that didn't make it into that post:

Might makes right; numbers make might; women make numbers.

Without treating women as less disposable as men, a society that faces any type of conflict will be out-breed and conquered. It's even more true today in the many western multicultural societies which exist... the wars are being fought with wombs rather than with guns (for now).

[–]dropit_sphere 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I gotta say, you really nailed it in /MR. Thanks.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are the evolutionary bottlenecks.

[–]elheretic 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

The reverse ten women and one male sounds like an optimal survival strategy in theory.

Until another group of males shows up and simply out muscles the single guy.

The equation is far more complicated than what is being presented.

Although sperm is cheap men provide much greater utility than women.



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