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DO NOT CONCERN TROLL - YES, THIS MEANS YOU.

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If you're new here, don't post. Take a minute and learn about how things work.

Any more posts that start with:

  • "... lately I've seen TRP slipping..." or
  • "... it's supposed to be about self improvement..." or
  • "... can't we just talk about.." or
  • "... ok trp, let's talk about ..."

...will end in a ban.

You know the guys with endorsed contributor flairs? Ever notice they're not bitching? They've been here a while, and know what's up. If you don't like the content you see, add the content you want to see.

New users complaining about how they want things to be, how they think things should be, or how they imagine things used to be will be removed and banned.

Want to discuss something? Then do it.

Want to post something interesting? Then do it.

Want to complain about how the content isn't precisely what you want? You've got a few options:

  • Use the convenient links at the top of the page to filter your view for a particular topic.
  • Post content you think will help balance TRP out with content you think is missing.
  • Report low quality content.
  • Or, do nothing at all.

Mindless, endless bitching is annoying. The mod team will delete and ban on the spot.

But but but.. what about all the xyz I see lately?

Did I not just say to stop bitching?

Yes, we have a men's right's flair. Because we can address men's rights issues in a candid, realistic way that the fem-centric /r/mensrights board will never touch. We've had this flair since the beginning of time, it has always been, and will always be on topic. Don't like it? Click here and stop whining.

Yes, we have blue and red pill examples. Don't like them? Don't read them. You have all the control in the world.

This is a warning, we will delete and ban on sight. There is no reason for ignoring the rules. NO CONCERN TROLLING. I don't care how honest your intentions are.

As always, we will be also be deleting any posts that just appear lazy or low quality.


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Title DO NOT CONCERN TROLL - YES, THIS MEANS YOU.
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 267
Comments 75
Date 01 August 2014 09:13 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/18778
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2cdd3p/do_not_concern_troll_yes_this_means_you/
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[–][deleted] 63 points64 points  (5 children) | Copy

[–]fapuffin24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy

Upvote. The OP's post doesn't define concern trolling and I think a lot of people are going to get confused (I know I did).

Concern Troll: (Internet slang) Someone who posts to an internet forum or newsgroup, claiming to share its goals while deliberately working against those goals, typically, by claiming "concern" about group plans to engage in productive activity, urging members instead to attempt some activity that would damage the group's credibility, or alternatively to give up on group projects entirely.

[–]MajorStyles8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

i finally have a name for this trend. I have spotted it's ugly appearance before, but did not know what to call it.

[–]vdog260 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fine I get it now. Mods can you remove that annoying message from the top now.

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 89 points90 points  (6 children) | Copy

Here are your options for dealing with content you don't think is high quality:

  • Downvote it.

  • Report it.

  • Reply with a rebuttal or criticism that does add value.

  • Post something high-quality to push it off the front page.

  • Man up and accept that not everything is perfect.

[–]FagCocoOil25 points26 points  (4 children) | Copy

Do we report content that's just low quality or do we reserve reports for some serious shit, like BP trolling? Asking, because I don't know how many reports you guys get and if you have too much on your plate.

For instance, I just saw your post, used a filter and reported a post called How to Identify a Manboob. I suppose it's ok to report in this case?

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 45 points46 points  (2 children) | Copy

Excellent question, and I am glad you asked.

"Report" means "bring this to the attention of the mod team". If you don't report something, we often won't see it, because otherwise we'd have to read all of TRP every day, and with 64,000 of us now, that's a tall order.

Here's some quick general guidelines for what it's helpful to report:

  • Anything that violates the rules of Reddit as a whole (doxxing, spam, attempts on large-scale vote manipulation, etc).

  • Obvious troll and haters.

  • Anti-RP arguments that have been answered over and over again.

  • Low-effort posts and comments that decrease the signal-to-noise ratio, even if they are pro-RP.

  • Weird racist or other crap, whether it looks like a sincere idiot, or a false flag operation by some SJW manlet attempting to bring TRP into disrepute.

  • Posted examples of RP thinking in movies/television/etc, without any illuminating discussion, or other similar copy-paste jobs.

  • Pretty much anything that reduces the signal to noise ratio, which hasn't already been downvoted into oblivion.

  • Pissing contests between two guys trying to out-alpha each other. Competing for dominance is part of healthy and natural male behaviour, but when one does it online, it generally devolves into a weak, try-hard sort of girly slap-fight. We don't need to read that.

Here's what NOT to report:

  • Good stuff (obviously).

  • Anti-RP arguments that are high-quality, reasoned, nuanced, and made with a sincere-appearing desire to understand RP, or to rationally debate these ideas in an atmosphere of modern discourse. We are NOT in the business of censoring opposing views, or mutating into an echo chamber. If someone is brave enough to come here, smart enough to make a high quality argument, and calm enough to do it without screeching, then we want them here. Blades need whetstones.

  • RP-related comments on account of a vehement or offensive tone, or containing hyperbole. We do not tone police. This is for downvotes and rebuttals to deal with.

  • Anything that is part of, or fosters, interesting and productive discussion.

  • The occasional off-topic comment or short quip by a member of the community. If sometimes a discussion throws off a tangent about fly-fishing, or how to get moles out of your garden, that's fine.

The key question to ask is could someone be helped by reading this?. If the answer is "No, probably not.", hit that report button.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nice list... I also report things which might just be some idiot link farming for (usually) feminist blogs.

I really wish we would standardize on using donotlink.com when linking to feminist-powered sites like jezebel or huffpo.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Anti-RP arguments that are high-quality, reasoned, nuanced, and made with a sincere-appearing desire to understand RP, or to rationally debate these ideas in an atmosphere of modern discourse. We are NOT in the business of censoring opposing views, or mutating into an echo chamber. If someone is brave enough to come here, smart enough to make a high quality argument, and calm enough to do it without screeching, then we want them here. Blades need whetstones.

Good to see this mentioned consistantly. I would also urge people to stop downvoting these too. If they approach from a respectful position(i.e. does not come off as a "You're insane and I'm here to prove it to you. Or not... Either way you're insane"), respond in kind. Do not devolve into defensiveness.

However, do piss off if you're a new and just want to pedant(specifically pedant. nobody likes that guy) or ask a stupid question that can be answered if you just read the side-bar even a little bit, or would pick up in a week of lurking.

EDIT: Just to illustrate: Here is a recent excellent example of a reasoned, detailed high quality BP response. I'd be hard-pressed to apply this standard to RPers, let alone the BP circlejerk crowd, but at least, take this as something to strive towards.

[–]inb4deth-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is where upvoting and downvoting really comes into play, IMO.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

I never thought I'd find a place where I felt like the mods actually worked in our best interests. Good job guys.

[–]Meglomaniac14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

As long as we are not banning members who offer a constructive and well written retort about why something in TRP is in their humble opinion incorrect or wrong, I am okay with this.

TRP CANNOT turn into a circle jerk. This is a theory that needs much discussion, and ill be damned if Ill let people dictate what I believe without me being able to speak my mind if I disagree.

It isnt concearn trolling, but merely allowing a voice of dissent.

[–]RedPillington2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

this comes up every once in a while. there is never an overwhelmingly negative response to someone talking about something of substance.

[–]awesomesalsa0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Once I kindly and sincerely advocated for a guy to do couples counseling with his wife and calmly explained why I think counseling can be good. My score ended up around -5. Not "overwhelming" I guess but idk how many people saw it. For all I know it was only seen by six people. My point is that TRP can be a circlejerk at times. Of course so can every other sub. We humans are sheep no matter how much we like to think otherwise.

[–]RedPillington0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My score ended up around -5. Not "overwhelming" I guess but idk how many people saw it. For all I know it was only seen by six people.

if this is part of your experience, you're paying far too much attention to fake internet points. you are right that -5 isn't overwhelming. and if you were only seen by 6 people, that's still only 6 people's votes.

that being said, you can get downvoted because people think it's irrelevant to the topic at hand, or if you're giving someone advice people think they're receiving elsewhere. or because people are having a shitty day and are tired of the mainstream advice even if it's decent.

My point is that TRP can be a circlejerk at times.

oh dear, not "at times"

[–]swallowthisthrowaway19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

The awareness the mods have on TRP is just something else. You lot make this sub a much better place. Thanks. (Fanboy moment ends)

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have to say they are fuckin sharp. The useless, no content, whiny concerned posts form the biggest portion of parasitic content on this sub.

[–]whoops_fap 12 points12 points [recovered] | Copy

Fuck yes. This is the only sub I can rely on. Keep up the good work mods.

[–]Position5hero0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

how does that mod dick taste in your mouth bro

[–]Gstreetshit0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

The mods on here are some of the best on Reddit because they don't put up with very much bullshit, and usually route out the feminist trolls.

I would just caution not to get too ban happy.

The growth of TRP is a good thing IMO. We shouldn't turn others away just because they are inexperienced and show up 2 months from now are unaware of this post and don't have all the rules memorized.

A new guy could ask something to an experienced member like "I thought the main focus of this sub was self improvement", which is sometimes completely innocent and get banned and jaded.

I guess we as users could also give fair warning when we see post bordering on ban territory.

I agree with banning people for certain behaviors, but a lot of times people are just asking questions or wanting something clarified that could possibly be construed as "trolling"

It's a delicate balancing act that you all have to maintain between letting ideas and debate take place, and getting rid of brigades of idiots.

I understand that.

I just don't want to push away potential great members in our ranks because, to the ban hammer everything looks like a nail.

I say this because with a few of the recent rules that have been implemented I would have been banned when I started coming here a year ago.

Then again if you are not really concerned about the message of TRP growing into something larger and only want a high quality sub without a focus on how many men are coming to the dark side, I guess that's cool too.

TL'DR: mods are some of the best around, don't get too ban happy

[–]Modredpillschool[S,M] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

We only ban people who are trolling- that is, clearly breaking the rules, and have no intention of following them/show no remorse for breaking the rules/do not work with us to comply.

Those are the people we will have no need for.

Mind you, this post is not a new rule, it's just a reminder. The mod team has been consistent in our enforcement of these rules since the beginning. Nothing has changed.

Anybody whining about being banned blatantly broke the rules, and often they will blatantly insult the moderators in the chat instead of discuss it with us politely.

[–]Gstreetshit0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I hear ya, I guess I just don't want to get a rep like r/feminism and their bans.

I personally welcome post that are somewhat BP if they are good quality and well reasoned. That kind of stuff is good for us and makes us tighten up our arguments and strategy.

Would you agree?

Even if something is bordering on BP territory but is well reasoned it calls for a debate and not a instaban?

I ask because I want to be able to articulate the rules to new members that maybe aren't the best at internalizing the rules and sidebar material but are genuine in their quest of understanding,

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I will reiterate, we are only banning folks who are trolling, not disagreeing.

A lot of people will troll with an argument that starts or ends with "and that's why you're misogynists..."

When we ban them, they'll cry "but but but, I was only disagreeing! You guys ban dissent!"

No, we ban trolls.

Let me use Whisper's definition of troll to explain:

Basically, someone who assumes you are sane, tries to understand your argument in the most compelling interpretation he can, and then tries to refute it, is a debater.

Someone who assumes you are insane, or tries to find weak interpretations of your arguments that will be easy to refute, or reifies metaphors, is a troll.

[–]Gstreetshit-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cool. Keep up the good work. I'l try and do my part in reporting bullshit and downvoting crap

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

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I hate when people do these "Nostalgic" posts across any subreddit.

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[–]teeelo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Holy fuck I was wondering how you guys would be able to curb the trend of pointless bullshitting and somehow you found a way to do it...

Here's to continued success and kicking ass!

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[–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wow, I think I'm actually going to start using this principle in my personal life. No concern trolling. Any talk about how things are so bad these days, etc and I am NOPE-ing the hell out of there. Thanks OP.

[–]RPstudent1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

May I recommend the inclusion of the concern troll prohibition post to the sidebar, as I recall we've had gluts of concern trolling before.

Not that they'll read it...

[–]Modredpillschool[S,M] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's been in the posting rules since the sub started.

[–]RPstudent-4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy

proving the point that concern trolls gotta troll

[–]1Ill_mumble_that7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

And that people need to read the damn sidebar. I sware half the posts in /r/asktrp are answered in the sidebar.

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I got to say, I've never seen a concern troll post here, and I'm lurking here for 6 months. Good job mods, proving that absolute free speech doesn't necessarily mean quality.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

The comment that bugs me the most: "But no ALL women". Yes, we fucking know.

One of my favorite things about this sub is that it isn't up to the person typing to be completely precise in how they word things, it's up to the reader to take it for what it is and stop putting everything under a microscope.

Even if you take the time to word things carefully, someone is going to argue semantics, or they just get pedantic as fuck. If you're going to argue, at least have a real point to make..

[–]awesomesalsa-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

There is a great deal of value in trying to make our words as accurate and precise as possible. Sloppy speech/writing leads to sloppy thinking, and vice versa.

Obviously people slip up, and the reader should have at least some leniency. Mindless pedanticism helps no one. But the person writing here has as much of a duty to be precise as the reader has a duty to not be overly pedantic. To imply otherwise is extremely ignorant and gives this sub a bad name

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I know what the OP meant.

This sub is going to have a "bad name" regardless. When most people from outside this sub talk about it, you can tell they have never read a single post.

Pretty sure there's also something in the side bar about not worrying what people outside this sub think. We're not here to make a good name for this place. If you don't like it, or you think this sub is making you look bad, no one is forcing you to stay.

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Could we add a post flair called "Game" maybe with a little dice icon or something, that we can use for posts containing general game advice and such? I guess they currently fall under the "red pill theory" umbrella.

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This dont concern troll warning gets in the way of me reading the threads on reddit

[–]VarsitySlutTeamCpt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

How do you get the RP endorsed flair by putting enough quality posts?

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that post fucking hold frame LOL

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Extremely relevant video(but in a different way): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewMsqX0reTE

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[–]Iupvoteforknowledge3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy

MRAs advocate changing the way of things in society. The red pill advocates changing your self. This is the fundamental difference and why red pill get laid and the whiney angry MRAs do not.

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You can not change society, you can change the men in society that change the women that change society.

MRA bullshit is just honey for SJW that don't get laid, they come for the outrage they stay for the promise of pussy and maybe in the process some realism rubs of on them.

[–]circlhat0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

MRA bullshit is just honey for SJW that don't get laid, they come for the outrage they stay for the promise of pussy and maybe in the process some realism rubs of on them.

Feminist changed society, they change it so much that running dread game is considered rape by the CDC, they are a real threat to your freedom and not to be taken lately.

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Society was already pro women, sociatal morals is just what women find acceptable.

MRM will never be taken seriously without women and if that happens you know who will wear the pant of the movement..

When we say we are disposable you think it's a hyperbole, it is not, The well being of a man simply doesn't matter to society. While we are biologically programed to give fucks about women, even when they suffer the consequences of their own actions and other women give a fuck because they see how that could effect them so they make a effort to remove that risk from society pushing even further the requirement to take responsibility for ones own actions if you are a woman.

The opposite of course doesn't work, women don't care intrinsically about men, they actually find male weakness disgusting. While male to male empathy is at a all time low, most men identify with the female point of view much easier that with a male one and even when they do the put,rightfully so, the blame on the individual.

Now what MRA try to do is frame issues and male to male empathy from a women's perspective which is fundamentally unnatural for the greater public, completely against the feminist imperative of being the universal victim and the red pill way to see reality.

[–]circlhat0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

When we say we are disposable you think it's a hyperbole, it is not

I know its not hyperbole,its because we don't fight or complain nearly as much. When feminist first started, TV shows would claim they were men haters and whinny.

The opposite of course doesn't work, women don't care intrinsically about men, they actually find male weakness disgusting.

Which is why its very important we don't attack each other and share each other burdens, I think women care about other women a lot more than men care about other men.

Now what MRA try to do is frame issues and male to male empathy from a women's perspective which is fundamentally unnatural for the greater public

No they Don't, they definitely have a males perspective on several issues.

Society was already pro women

It was not, Society had laws that basically said you could rape your wife(USA), in other countries women are treated like crap(Usually third world).

The reason things are the way they are is because of men like you, you attack a group that fights for your rights, were as women stand up for other women, that is the issue in a nutshell.

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If we fight and complain we are just "spoiled brats" or there is something wrong with us. That argument of men haters or whinny was constructed on the views of that generation of women. The patriarchy was just another gynocentric cultural view. Society does not care about justice, it cares about it's self and self image, if you could shame society into feeling bad about men you stand a change but at the moment not only are we "disposable" we are "aggressors" if we take the attention from feminist.

There isn't universality among men. You cry rape or pregnacy and anything with a vagina jumps, you cry honor, duty or pride and at best you are a paternalistic traditionalist at worst you are a cis scum.

But it is framed under feminist like victim hood. I genuinely don't care about a husband that was divorce raped after he blew hot air in his SO's vagina for 10 years all smug about how bachelors like me "don't get it". You made a choice, nothing "happened to you". I can not accept that we as a society accept that "bad things" are "shit that happens". No it doesn't it happens only if your stupid and as a man neither me or society cares if you are stupid.

Do you have balls? then I expect you to let down your SJW hat and think why those laws where enacted. If men did not have free sex, they would not be married. Sex is a utility marriege is a social contract. WOmen are treated like crap because they don't have economic and social power, in india, western coast of africa or jeddah(SAUDI ARABIA) women are merchands and the economic agregators, they are more than equal. The traditiona cast system in india with the all to frowned upon child slavery tradition was meant to get women out of rural areas and into the city where even as a lower cast she had economic utility. This along with western british "slaver values" mutated the cast system into institutionalised slavery.

No you fight to matter and to make men's mistakes as excusable as women's mistakes. Both are loosing causes.

[–]circlhat0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

The red pill advocates changing others, otherwise there would be no red pill. After all thats what we are doing, we are spreading information so others can change and adopt our outlook on life.

Just because MRA is more legislative than on a personal level doesn't mean MRAs are whiny. Red Pill complains about women to other men, MRA complains to the law and hopes it will be changed(and they do succeed)

Without MRA things would be a lot worst, so please keep your lazy whining ass comments to yourself. I not saying support MRA but why on earth would you criticize a organization that fights for your rights as a man.

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

You are wrong. We organize information here and anyone is welcome to it but we do not advocate changing others. In fact it is often reiterated that you should keep RP information to yourself outside of this sub for a variety of reasons.

[–]circlhat0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

The fact that we are a public forum with a message means I'm right.

it is often reiterated that you should keep RP information to yourself outside of this sub for a variety of reasons.

They say the same thing in religious circles as it becomes a problem if you bash people with your "knowledge"

We organize information here and anyone is welcome to it but we do not advocate changing others.

I feel like I'm in bible school all over again, That's the exact line they used, the point is you are promoting information and sharing information with the intent to influence some this is perfectly fine, I just can't figure out why you would want to attack MRM , have they done something to you personally?

[–]Iupvoteforknowledge1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Your logic is so fucked I don't even know where to begin. If I remember this post tomorrow I may seek to show you but I doubt it would do any good.

[–]circlhat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I could say the same about you, I'm seriously confused, why on earth would you act so arrogant towards a group fighting for your rights?

[–]MyRedAccount-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm still allowed to make fun of ECs when they reference Pokemon or something like that, right? Cause it doesn't exactly contribute, but it does need to be said that going around thinking, "Gotta catch 'em all," with the pokemon song going in your head isn't alpha, it's more like cartoon geek(GLO's posts are normally great, but that one was just ridiculous).

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have my permission to make fun of Gaylubeoil.

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Thank you for addressing this.

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If you don't start preaching about how we should all change, you'll be fine.



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