What, if any, are the applications of these theories to a lesbian relationship?

RPAlternate42 · 2016-10-12T18:03:10+00:00

My aunt is gay. True gay, not gay for the stay or as a daliance for a few years.

Most of her long term "partners" were gay for the stay: The first I can remember, "Sandy", was a roommate that became more but they kept separate rooms. She told me that lesbian bed death is a real thing and it happened with her. Sandy and her broke up, Sandy moved to Texas, got married, had a kid, got divorced.

Sandy is full of red flags just from this little excerpt.

The next longest one was more "serious." "Felicia" and my aunt got "married" in the private sense (wasn't legal in CA, yet.) Felicia was divorced with 2 kids. Felicia's husband made a pretty good chunk of change but caught the tail end of the tech bubble. Finances became a problem and the had to sell the large house in a desirable city/neighborhood. Felicia new my aunt through acquaintances and was "gay for the stay" as well.

Felicia started fucking her ex husband behind my aunt's back, my aunt found out, Felicia got pissy, and went back to her ex husband after she found out he was doing well again. Felicia had a penchant for buying expensive things and having things because "they were so perfect."

Gay for stay with more red flags.

I joke, lightly, with my aunt that her type seems to be straight women. My aunt has stated she prefers "fem" women as she veers towards the masculine side. She is, and has been very attractive, even for her age (50) and she keeps a youthful energy, stays active, is very social. She's single, but she acts like a single man: has hobbies, activities, stays happy with herself and picks up chicks along the way.

I've had great discussions with her that were red-pill oriented without the language. My aunt and a few of her gay friends seem to agree, recognize, and even understand Red Pill thinking, without saying it.

In any relationship there is a dominant and a submissive. In a male-female relationship, the ideal matching is male-dominant, female-submissive. In a M-sub, F, sub no one is happy... she isn't getting the dominant energy she needs/wants and he is a lost man-child. HONESTY TIME: most men who come into MRP are this dynamic, or have slipped into this dynamic; he kowtows to her whim and she takes the mantel of "dominant" but doesn't like it and begins to resent him for making her do it. And rightfully so.

My aunt's friend, "Kate," and I had a discussion at length on this very subject. In a lesbian relationship, there is often the joke, or meme, from outsiders of which one of you is the man? The real question is, "which one of you is dominant?" The subtext is, "Who has the masculine energy?"

Generally, the woman tends to be submissive to her partner who is typically male. Female homosexuality turns this on its head because now two people who should otherwise be submissive have to figure out who picks up the dominance.

This is where Lesbian Bed Death comes in. At first, both sides are horny for each other and my opinion is that a woman's horniness outweighs a man's horniness when comparing both at full tilt. So here are two women at full horniness, high libidos inside a new relationship. Things are new, exciting, and fun.

Later, the relationship sets in (and with lesbians it tends to happen quickly) and now the positions need to be set. One side wants the other to be dominant and the other side wants exactly the same thing.

"What do you want to eat tonight"

"I don't know what do you want to eat"

"I don't know. What are you hungry for?"

"I don't know, what about you?"

Becomes:

"Do you want to have sex?"

"I guess. Do you?"

"I guess."

Awkward silence and eventually sleep takes over. both resent the other for not having sex. Eventually both start to dislike each other because they think the other hates them because they aren't having sex with each other.

This is the basis for bed death.

So, you want to know, can RP help with lesbians? I believe it can work for anyone... but it is sexual strategy for men. The first thing you need to do is figure out if your are masculine or feminine in nature. If you are the latter, it is going to be very hard to fake it; people tend to get unhappy pretending to be something they are not. If you are masculine-energied, you need to adopt a male persona of sorts:

recognize shit tests from women. Lesbians give them too... all women use them to vet sexual partners.
Ignore the concept of the one true love. Women like the idea of the "one and only true love" and lesbians are extra guilty because they think the other woman is thinking the same thing. Why do you think that toothbrush and a drawer full of her shit ended up in your place so quickly?
Know that, as a woman, lesbian or not, you definitely have options and if one chick isn't giving you what you need, ignore her and move on.
Here's the hard part: women are shit at hobbies. Every woman I have met, save for a less than 1% amount, don't have them, and worse: have no idea why anyone would have them. Nothing interests them. My wife has no hobbies. None. Every now and then she sees some craft or something that she wants to do, then she does it, and it is never finished. She has no inclination to get better at anything she does either. How I got her in the gym lifting weights is beyond me, but at least she's sticking with it and now has started setting goals (2 years later.)
Oh, yeah: LIFT WEIGHTS. If you are going to be the masculine energy, then you need to exude that physically. Extra muscle will drive your testosterone levels up, which will drive your libido and energy, and you will be more forward and goal-oriented. A soft, submissive woman, lesbian or not, wants a strong, masculine energy: physically, mentally, and emotionally.

If you are a submissive, fem-type, then you will need to act that part and seek out the masculine-energied women, otherwise, fake it till you make it, or live the part you are.

livelikealesbian · 2016-10-12T19:13:15+00:00

Hey, I came around here asking the same question a little over a year ago. My relationship with my gf has always been great, except for the sex part. Things are better now, and still improving, but still not where I want them to be.

My thoughts are that red pill can work for lesbians, but it needs a lot of tweaking. I ended up backing off because it was making me so angry that I can't be a guy. I can't be alpha at work with all the women, they just think I'm a bitch. I can't lift weights and lose 20lbs in a month. I can't stop myself from crying for no reason occasionally. I can't maintain the emotional distance that is required and still want to be on a relationship. Sometimes I just don't want to be the one to initiate, it gets exhausting, so I just don't. Marriedredpill is for men, and as much as I wanted to think men and women are the same, we aren't, and trying to make myself more masculine than I am just made me unhappy.

Now, for what does work. I've picked up multiple hobbies that give me distance, as well as being attractive because they are active. I've developed an attitude of knowing I can get sex elsewhere, even if I don't act on it. I've stopped complaining about when we don't have sex. I've cleaned up my wardrobe a lot. I still need to get in better shape overall and work on flirting with out women, but I'm getting there

Redpill helped my relationship , alot. But it also almost destroyed it because it has to be tailored for lesbians to use it. I searched everywhere for other lesbians who needed it. I shared no more mister nice guy with a friend in a shitty relationship but she missed the point. Feel free to pm me. Maybe we could discuss ways to make this work for women who date women. At one point I thought about writing a book because I know lesbian bed death is affecting more people than talk about it.

I can go more in detail about things I've tried and what not, I gave it a pretty solid go for about a year, this is just a quick summary.

BluepillProfessor · 2016-10-12T21:13:47+00:00

In my book I talk about this in the very beginning, stating that Red Pill praexology depends on polarizing the masculine and feminine. If a same sex relationship falls clearly along those lines then I believe that absolutely Red Pill can help solve a low sex situation.

We do not have enough evidence to say definitively and it is just a theory but I strongly suspect it is true.

However, if the relationship is based on the attraction of two feminine women to one another then I have serious doubts.

[deleted] · 2016-10-12T18:08:32+00:00

You're not the first... paging /u/livelikealesbian

My purely observer take is certain things need tweaking, but it really depends on your role/energy in the relationship.

For lack of a better allusion: Yin/Yang if you're the yang to her yin. MRP/RP principles apply. If you're the YIN, well, you'd be on the receiving end of the principals.

[deleted] · 2016-10-12T16:52:03+00:00

It's transferable in the sense that it will appeal to your partner's solipsism in the context of standard hypergamy, but your ability to execute on Red Pill mating strategy will be limited by your own female solipsism and hypergamy. In other words, if you want to game your partner like a man it is likely she will respond as if you were but your ability to maintain that strategy might be limited by your own female psychology.

RuleZeroDAD · 2016-10-12T16:42:42+00:00

I think it depends highly on the power dynamic of your relationships.

Do you seek an egalitarian relationship, or are roles defined from a resources and logistics basis from the start? Not to sound super cis crass, but is there a butch/lipstick preference to your relationships?

I think I can flesh out something with this information to start. I'll be asking a lot of questions to you, so you'll need to be active in our discussion.

vagina_rollercoaster · 2016-10-12T16:43:49+00:00

I will hold myself back from any jokes about your user name... But only just barely.

In its essence this method transforms men into people who are attractive relationship partners. But only because it's focused on them, not their partners. I think it's portable.

[deleted] · 2016-10-12T18:03:13+00:00

I've heard lesbians have more domestic abuse than gay or straight couples. so "There is no greater loss of frame than violence" Definitely holds water.

UEMcGill · 2016-10-12T19:31:42+00:00

I think the biggest issue two women in a relationship face is, covert communication.

As a man I am direct, and deliver content in my message. My wife is not, and she delivers feeling in her message. Women early in their relationships can have this incredible emotional bond (I witness it every few years when my wife meets a new best friend) but they fail miserably at delivering content when it is really necessary. So you get /u/RPAlternate42's bed discussion:

"What do you want to eat tonight"

"I don't know what do you want to eat"

"I don't know. What are you hungry for?"

"I don't know, what about you?"

As a man, married for 14 years, I've learned this isn't "What do you want to eat?" This really is, "I want to eat what you want. I want you to be decisive about it" It has it's variations but that's the gist.

In the very real sense you lead with feelz before everything else. I embrace my wife's emotions but I don't wallow in them with her. She needs me to be that rock in a storm. So in a feminine-feminine relationship there's no rock for that emotional energy. In a male-female relation ship where the man has gone beta and suplicates her emotions, you get the "I love you but I'm not in love with you" speech. It's the same as lesbian bed death.

triclops41 · 2016-10-13T04:38:16+00:00

Lesbian Red Pill would be fascinating. There are so many confounding variables that could be isolated by lesbians applying Red Pill strategy. I think many replies in this post have excellent theories that could be tested.

screechhater · 2016-10-15T14:10:19+00:00

Be attractive and keep her agenda ion life from affecting or dictating yours, this is what most importantly makes you, you. Compromise, but don't give in fully

Aechzen · 2016-10-20T00:17:16+00:00

AWALT. The portions of RP theory that work when gaming a woman are going to work for a lesbian or a straight woman:

preselection. If you are already vetted by another woman or women, you're more attractive to other women. A woman who can walk into a gay bar and turn heads is a woman with options.
dread. If you're gaming women while you're out and about, it's clear you have options.
strength. You don't need to get ripped like a female body builder, but having strong arms like Mrs. Obama wouldn't hurt. Maintaining your body and taking care of yourself physically is key. Nobody wants to have sex with somebody who can't walk up a set of stairs without getting winded.

Title	What, if any, are the applications of these theories to a lesbian relationship?
Author	vagina_rollercoaster
Upvotes	4
Comments	65
Date	October 12, 2016 4:38 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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