A little lost with LTR

Persaeus · 2016-07-10T22:03:02+00:00

my begging, me crying

A lot of us have been there.....still makes me want to puke every time I read it.

Can pretty much get sex on demand, but its mostly starfish.

and,

She said things like "I don't like the new you"...

You dread is working, but your not providing the fun and comfort to engender trust and get at that inner slut.

You should compliment and reward your woman with your time and attention when she brings value to your life. Only punish for being a harpy. Don't shit test your woman, that is their gig to test your fitness (i.e. what are you trying to accomplish). Light negging is good for creating some drama. Read MMSLP and The Family Alpha blog for guidance. If you want practice with shit test, go to a night club and game some bitches. It will be a free fire zone with you in the cross-hairs.

how the fuck do I recover from this stupid list situation I've created

Ignore it...... She will forget about if you bring the right mix of alpha and comfort, and stop being such an asshole in uneeded situations.

Saying "I want more enthusiastic sex" is negotiating desire unless you are prepared to NEXT her otherwise. You are much better off to up your attractiveness and lead her to more enthusiastic sex using the techniques prescribed in MMSLP and SGM.

GargantuaBlarg29 · 2016-07-10T18:28:03+00:00

Is this possible (too much asshole too fast)? Yes, in fact it happens often for those who read the material and think everything needs to change RIGHT NOW. Now...is this happening in your situation? No idea. Maybe throw a few conversations you've had where you felt like you went too far for analysis. Here's my short and sweet:

With respect to "I don't like the new you...".

Agree and Amplify: (Animated) "Yeah you're right! We need to do something about this!" (Continue as far as you please/until you bust out laughing)

Amused Mastery: (Smile, do that thing where your mouth motions a kiss from across the room).

Cocky/Funny: "Awwww. Does somebody need a hug?" (Follow her around arms wide).

With respect to genuine comments. <--- is that word supposed to be compliments? Here's my thought on compliments...first start recognizing what she does for you to make your life better. What she does that brings your life value. I realized I sometimes ignore her hard work because I expect it. If she really does do something above and beyond (little or big) then compliment her for it. Remember we're reinforcing the good behavior and punishing the bad.

With respect to the list. That's a lot of power you gave her. Is she trying to check it off and hold you to improving on it? You're going to just have to nullify it and move on. At some point just give her an Office Space "yeeeaaahhhhh about that list...you should probably just throw that away". This puts any commitment that she thought you had towards it in the toilet. Note that you still should use it to improve if YOU deem there honestly was things on it you need to work on...you're just taking that power out of her hands and putting it back into yours.

redearththeory · 2016-07-11T03:43:44+00:00

She "doesn't like being treated this way", ultimately giving an ultimatum to me.

OP, there are two sides to this and its extremely important to work on both. On one had she's saying "Go back to being beta or I'll leave". The correct response to this is to tell her to do what she feels is best but you're not going to become more compliant so that she'll stay. If you agreed to be more compliant so that she'd stay, you failed this test. But the other side to this is her saying "You need to add more value to my life if you want to be this much of an unhelpful asshole". I think this is what you mean by

As i'm typing this post it occurs to me this might be "bad alpha" and probably not attractive.

And you ask

Should I be delivering genuine compliments? I dont want to gush over her and compliment everything I see.

No, you should not compliment her more, you should be adding value to her life in other ways. Lead her on exciting outings. Fix things in her life. Make things better for her and don't ask for approval/validation for them, just do it and leave her to notice.

Also: How to separate negotiating desire and stating expectations? Is saying "I want more enthusiastic sex" negotiating desire or stating expectations?

This is something that comes from attracting her, not negotiation. Work harder on doing attractive things. But also, if you're getting regular sex but its boring, read sex god method and start leading her to better sex.

stonepimpletilists · 2016-07-10T18:01:58+00:00

controlling conversation

Also, soon as she starts to cry, you buckle? Come on man... You have a mission, finish your mission. Have you gotten to comfort tests yet? Everyone gets called an asshole at some point. it's just how women talk.

You need to read more, these are all fairly basic questions.. Anything we say here will have you hedge against her tears, so better off if you go find it yourself --->

anythinginc · 2016-07-10T20:20:30+00:00

I think everyone is going to knock this out of the park but I want to mention your "princess" comment. She wants you to be nicer, she wants more compliments, you want to display massive alpha behavior while still giving her enough comfort.

This princess thing is your ticket. If she's really used to being a princess, and you are really going to be her alpha, then eat that shit up. It can allow you to be the alpha dominant position in the relationship, and she can be your "little princess" and both of you can slide right into your Red Pill gender roles. You're the king, but she's not the queen, she's the princess, like some Natural Alpha or Mayor's or King's precious little baby girl. We often talk about treating your wife like a little girl or the oldest teenager in the room, but you make it seem like you've got a girl primed for the dynamic.

For real, that is her new nickname, that is how you phrase demands, that is how you praise her for doing a good job or being a good little girl or looking good for your date. It can be tough to compliment your "partner" but fuck you can compliment your "little princess" all day without being beta about it.

It would be easy to use it to scold her..."aww does my little princess have her fee fee's hurt?" but I don't think you want to take it to that situation. If you want to say "Princess, you look upset, come sit on my lap," while leading her to the sofa, that is fine. Because fuck you don't want to ruin this. If she starts calling you "daddy" then holy fuck dude I'm jealous. Read the Sex God Method too, the fantasy sections, work in some "my little princess likes it just. like. that." and some "call me daddy when you need my cum in you baby" and post that FR jesus christ. Now you're going to have to have the anti-slut talk after because she's not going to be able to rationalize why that made her fuck like a demon and cum like a fountain. So please don't ruin it.

******Meant to post this: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWives/comments/4qmox5/relationship_dynamics_part_ii_all_about_men/

Somebody just pointed us here recently and I like it. It has this link:

https://improvementmovement.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/kwml-chart.jpg

Right now I think you are probably displaying the negative juvenile version on one of these pyramids. But between you, the red pill, and your "princess" I think you are going to grow into one of the positive mature versions. I'm interested in what you and others think about this.

stonepimpletilists · 2016-07-13T19:10:08+00:00

Asshole doesn't matter. you're doing the classic slip into beta.

No more mr nice guy, sex god method... basically the MRP sidebar. This is hard mode. as for your questions, reward good behaviour, don't reward bad behaviour. Its simple, but remarkably unused.

Also, look in the mirror, if you wouldn't fuck you, don't expect her to either

druganswer · 2016-07-10T23:13:14+00:00

Her talk blew your frame to smithereens.

JackGetsIt · 2016-07-11T14:55:54+00:00

It seems like you're deep in her frame. When you're in her frame you're a beta provider. When you're a beta provider any self improvement in her eyes will be view with skepticism and suspicion on her side. Remind her that the improvements are for 'us' and continue to fuck her right and take her on occasional rewarding dates and adventures. Just don't over due the rewards.

Title	A little lost with LTR
Author	alittelost
Upvotes	4
Comments	15
Date	July 10, 2016 5:34 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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