Why men lie | "...at a certain point, men begin to believe that they have absolutely no responsibility to tell the truth to a woman because she has no regard or respect for it."

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Title Why men lie | "...at a certain point, men begin to believe that they have absolutely no responsibility to tell the truth to a woman because she has no regard or respect for it."
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 109
Comments 22
Date 20 February 2019 04:41 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/225927
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/asqgpn/why_men_lie_at_a_certain_point_men_begin_to/
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[–]vfb1447 points48 points  (0 children) | Copy

Whether you lie or tell the truth, never put yourself on a position where you have to justify anything. They don't care about what you say as long as you give her hamster some plausible deniabilty. If they at some point suspect of you trying to get their approval, they will begin to question your motivations.

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (4 children) | Copy

A typical woman is almost always emotionally honest. She will change reality to match her emotions. She's not lying, she's being 'true to herself'.

I wish guys would realise that women operate in an emotional sphere. Facts are just inconveniences. Try arguing and see how emotions are elevated over facts.

[–]5Imperator_Red13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

She's also just "doing what makes her happy."

[–]Orbiter455 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Another way to look at it, its power display. She has the ability to construct a reality. Challenge her, and see what happens.

They will construct this reality, where the they are delicate, and need protection, but at the same time superior and deserve admiration. And we swallow the blue pill...

[–]ChesterRickman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not only women, it's typical beta behaviour too. It's easier to avoid responsibilty this way and get what you want.

[–]boy_named_su17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think you can get by without lying. I prefer to not lie

Agree and amplify. Disagree and amplify. Bullshit a little. When it come to brass tacks , simply say "I'm not going to talk about that" or "I don't think it's healthy to talk about that " or "we can discuss that when we know each other better"

[–]p3n1x11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Guys believe if they are honest about their intentions they may, scare her off, offend her, not get a second date, etc.. (also known as oneitis).

Being honest that you want to Fuck her, only want a FWB, or someone to cook, clean, dance (whatever), makes their shit test program shut down and they become very submissive.

Obviously, be smooth (don't be creepy sperg), you don't have to make shit up. If she rejects you, either YOU fucked up or she isn't interested and you don't need to be wasting your time with her in the first place. Don't ride her merry-go-round just to do her "chores" with the "hope" of possibly touching her.

[–]Two_kids_in_a_coat11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

This article is nothing more then an excuse of why it’s not a mans fault that he can’t hold frame and be honest.

[–]5Imperator_Red5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

What does being honest have to do with holding frame?

[–]Two_kids_in_a_coat10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you know yourself and your mission then there is no reason to lie. Were you doing something she doesn’t like? So what? It’s who you are and what you like and she has to accept that. Are you so afraid to reveal you true self to her that you’re gonna lie and pretend you’re someone else?

[–]StellarMemez0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It really comes down to the kind of lying you're doing. Are you doing it for validation and as a way of failing shit tests? Or are you really good at it and use it as second nature for manipulation? The second one is romanticized pretty hard here as "dark triad", but at least it isn't weak shit.

[–]Two_kids_in_a_coat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The red pill is a toolbox. I don’t want to, need or agree that lying is a tool that should be used, but I understand that it can be used for manipulation. I don’t see how that is an advantage though. I’m who I am. If you don’t like it then leave. I’m comfortable with that.

[–]suxxos3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

So you just want to justify liyng. I suppose you won't mind when women lie to you then, will you? After all, they just tell you what you want to hear, it's for your own good.

[–]ass_boy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lying is a very useful skill. with women, work, school, family and friends.there are two good ways to like in my opinion tell a ridiculous amount of lies like 30-50% or like 3% if you like a large amount you stop feeling bad about it and you become better at it. When you lie a very little amount of time you have a reputation of truthfulness so there is no need to question it. I understand that every man needs a personal code of some sort but lying is not off limits on mine. Does that make me a bad person? I don't know but who cares if it does bother me.

[–]3chazthundergut7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

Speak the truth

Men have evolved to value our spoken word. Your word as a man should mean something. Oathbreaker and dishonest are the attributes of weak men.

I understand that women lie. I understand that they do not appreciate or reciprocate our honesty.

So what?

I'm supposed to sacrifice my own values because bitches are liars?

Fuck that.

I'm not recommending that any man give a female full disclosure or even a straight answer when she starts turning the screws. But by no means should a man throw away the value of his word and become a liar. Much less for the sake of females

[–]heartbroken_nerd3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

You're a lunatic and a moralist. Get outta here.

I'm supposed to sacrifice my own values because bitches are liars?

There, you said it. These are YOUR values. Not "everyone's" values, not "every real man's" values. These are SUBJECTIVE. To YOU and YOU only. You're free to abide whatever code or rules you want. But stop trying to attribute machiavellianism to "weak men". These "weak men" are the people who control how much you have to pay in taxes, due next month, so sit the fuck down.

You're moralising. You're implying that sexual strategy is not amoral, which goes directly against the rules of this fucking subreddit.

If one can pull off a believable, totally fake frame in front of a woman and sweep her off her feet, I see no reason why one shouldn't do just that. Do what works to advance your own evolutionary programming/self-chosen goals.

[–]3chazthundergut4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Of course they are my values.

I am not implying that sexual strategy isn't amoral. I don't think telling the truth has anything to do with sexual strategy.

This article is all about how men should lie because females have no regard or respect for the truth. So right off the bat it:

  1. Assumes that telling the truth is something that men value

  2. Justifies lying because females have no regard or respect for the truth

If you want to lie go ahead. But don't use female dishonesty to justify it. Because then you are explicitly admitting to compromising your values because of a bitch. Fuck that.

[–]LordMarkStark0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The article like all truth is kinda right but totally wrong. It's a concept of a reality. Don't be the lie, of course try to be as honest as possible. Sometimes I think such things set men up to fail. Good for you

[–]LordMarkStark0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's bullshit and you know it. Do you even know who you are? He doesn't want to pretend. Good for him. That you vehemently disrespect that is another thing entirely.

It's like you're scared to reveal who you are or something. It's not lying it's all intertwined. Maybe you got the wrong idea.

Some girl you just met no you don't need to spill your guts, but in general, to live a real life, get to the point where you're not the lie yourself. Forget her lies. Be happier.

[–]LordMarkStark0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Roosh again misses the point entirely of being a proper human being. Can we take him seriously at this point. Women flip flop all the time some more than others. The article is not nuanced enough and is just entertainment. I was not entertained.

Don't try to understand just hold to your own. This OCD about truth means nothing. It assumes women, human beings, know what they're doing 100%. They're only half the puzzle. This guy ignores women full stop. It's a failed and flawed thought experiment only.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

FYI, not roosh

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