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Post cut rebulking

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April 18, 2019
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I was bulking while working toward a 300lb bench. I got it to just past 90 degrees, but could only do 295 to my chest. Oh well. Weight got pretty high in the process. I've been cutting for reasons and back down 12+ lbs so far. Obviously lifts are starting to suffer ... struggling to hit the 5th rep at 275 now.

I want to drop another 10lbs before bulking again. Anyone know how long it will take to rebuild to previous lifts again or am I capping myself by cutting now?


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Title Post cut rebulking
Author Red-Curious
Upvotes 14
Comments 18
Date 18 April 2019 10:01 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/226817
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[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

You either eat and bulk and increase lifts or cut while lifts go down or if you have the generics, eat at maint and MAYBE see a trickle of gainz.

Either way, just wanted to remind you that I Love You.

As much homo as you want.

[–]Cam_Winston212 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Obviously lifts are starting to suffer ... struggling to hit the 5th rep at 275 now.

If you're 5x275 (or 4x275), your lifts aren't suffering. You're lifting exactly what you were before.

You're having difficulty with this mentally. If you're at a deficit, your body is using fat for energy. It has to work harder, especially if your glycogen is depleted, but your body most certainly has energy (unless you're sub 4% body fat).

I want to drop another 10lbs before bulking again. Anyone know how long it will take to rebuild to previous lifts again or am I capping myself by cutting now?

I'm down 20 lbs this year & have been doing extended fasts since February and I'm as strong (or in some lifts, stronger) than ever. I'm not trying for 1RM or magical numbers than round off perfectly, but my lifts after fasting for 24 hrs are just the same or a hint higher. I'm not saying that applies to everyone, but there's no reason for someone to lose 10% strength in a matter of weeks simply because they didn't have a candy bar before a workout. You got this, it's more in your head than you think.

[–]Red-Curious[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Very helpful reply. Thanks. I noticed that after the first 2 weeks my ORM did go up from 290 to 295. But yes, I do see some tapering several weeks later, as 275 for 5 reps never used to be an issue before. I'll definitely work at beating the psychological game in this.

[–]Cam_Winston212 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Took me a while to overcome it, and I've been working out for decades.

I noticed that after the first 2 weeks my ORM did go up from 290 to 295. But yes, I do see some tapering several weeks later, as 275 for 5 reps never used to be an issue before.

I have a spreadsheet that has the calculations of 7 different 'experts' that I use for determining my maxes. On all 7, 275x5 calculates to well over 300 lbs as a 1RM, with the average being 311. You are definitely strong enough to push out 300, this is 100% a mental thing. When you overcome that, you're going unleash a freaking beast in the gym.

[–]Red-Curious[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's quite exciting and motivating.

[–]RP_PO1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

During a cut, keep your lifts a bit lighter than you would while trying to bulk. This will help maintain while not being so stressful that you’re tearing down with no means to build back up. Dont expect real strength gains while cutting, but your max shouldnt suffer too awfully much either. I hate cutting

[–]RPeed1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

It usually takes me 3-4 weeks to start hitting PR’s again after a longish cut.

[–]Red-Curious[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Good to know what to expect. Thanks!

[–]RPeed1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

No worries, btw that rebound is often the strongest point: you’re back in a surplus, you’d probably back off volume a bit and you lost the diminishing returns driven by the Repeated Bout Effect but you haven’t been bulking long enough to accumulate a lot of fatigue.

Could be good for a bench PR. Good luck man.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Never been able to cut and maintain. Course I was warned when powerlifting years ago that it would be just impossible to list with gaines it maint and cut the cals.

Any who, I found it best to decrease my loads and up an extra set or two and increase sleep if possible by getting to bed 1/2 hour earlier.

[–]Red-Curious[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I hadn't thought of increasing sleep. Good tip.

[–]Trtntrenbrah0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

if you are on..increase dose, only way to do it if you are cutting, otherwise strength will take a little dip.

[–]Red-Curious[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I lift au naturale, other than the occasional protein shake. Probably need to step those up a bit more too.

[–]hack3geRed Beret0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

How much of an increase? Im still waiting for my first set of bloods but say I was at top of FT range on 50mg twice a week - what would you increase it to on a cut?

[–]Trtntrenbrah0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

if you want to stay within trt dose ranges try 150-200mg per wk. stay at that for a few weeks and see how you feel. if you see no change, then back down to original dose, but you should notice.

everything is dose dependent till you reach a point of diminishing returns and everyone responds differently. fwiw I’ve never been over 1 gram of total esters.

diet/training/rest are still everything

so don’t use gear as a crutch

[–]hack3geRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My diet/training/rest are on point - my T was <200 on all 3 tests. I felt amazing the day after I got my first shot and have been good ever since.

Is it mostly E2 that I need to watch out for at the higher doses? Also how long would it take for my bloods to go back to normal level once I cut back to my normal 100mg/week?

[–]mrpCamper0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The short answer is ... usually it is faster to regain lost strength than it was the get there in the first place. Things like sleep, nutrition etc. will affect those results.

[–]gameoflibidos0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's why olympic power lifters look the way they do.

Cutting hurts lifts.

It's just about goals... do you want to lift massive amounts and be a power lifter or are your goals more aesthetic. If aesthetic, (abs, etc.) you'll have to cut and cut hard and your lifts will suffer. At body fat % to see abs, there's only so far you will get your lifts without roids.

If you want your lifts to keep going without roids.. you will eventually look like powerlifters... which are very far from seeing abs.



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