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A feminist gives her realistic opinion of the "1 in 5 women will be raped in their lives" statistic.

AnalStage

April 30, 2014
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Title A feminist gives her realistic opinion of the "1 in 5 women will be raped in their lives" statistic.
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AnalStage

Upvotes 95
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Date April 30, 2014 5:01 AM UTC
(12 years ago)
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[–]FrostyGoingHisOwnWay58 points59 points60 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

This is Christina Hoff Sommers, while she considers herself an equality feminist she's writes books and speaks on how modern feminism hurts men and boys, and how it's basically corrosive to modern society.

She's a rare arm of feminism that actually battles the radical parts of feminism to make it somewhat more reasonable, a good ally for the MRM and basically anyone who believes in actual equality.

[–]veggie_girl29 points30 points31 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Very relevant: http://i.imgur.com/VZxtjgP.jpg

Also: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/christina_hoff_sommers.html

Almost everything she says is spot on.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Another self-declared feminist who isn't shy of speaking out against mainstream feminism is Camille Paglia:

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/camille_paglia.html

She's a bit more blunt than Christina.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She was one of the first people I found to give compelling arguments against the wage gap myth perpetuated by the AAUW as well:

right here

[–]Newbosterone0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Author of Who Stole Feminism? and The War Against Boys. More here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

An excellent read (in my case audiobook) even based on data pre 1995. I thought I heard an updated version has been release as well.

[–]1KingofRiders-5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The MRM is just as full of vitrol and radicals as modern feminism is. MRM and Feminism as a whole are enemies to themselves first and foremost.

[–]RedPillWisdom8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Disagree, in that radicalism in the MRM is usually expressed in blog posts and comments.

Radicalism in feminism is the President trying to coerce universities into creating rules to expel male students based on accusations. And a continued push to see that same standard used for actual punishment / jail.

Respectfully, it is an apples to lugnuts comparison.

[–]riverraider6915 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Reminds me of feminism before postmodern activists stole and redefined the term.

[–]DarkCircle18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Respect to her! Sexual violence and rape are serious matters that must be addressed but the 'everything is rape crowd' really muddy the waters. They pit women (helpless victims) and men (animalistic perpetrators) against each other, when we need to talk and work together. Even the 188,000 statistic was shocking to me and anything reasonable that can make that lower is a good thing.

[–]1PaulRivers101 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The problem is, they do worse than just muddying the waters.

I knew 4 women who were raped. I'm not saying it was just or right, but every one of them was constantly worried before it happened that at some point they were going to get raped. I knew numerous women who weren't that worried about it - like the same level that you're worried about a car accident, you take precautions but you don't obsess over it.

How is it that the women who spent the most time "learning' about protecting themselves were the most likely to have that exact bad thing happen to them? I mean seriously - it's really like somehow, the "anti rape" crowd encourages it to happen. I have no idea how, but every single person...

Do you know how many of them involved substantial amounts of alcohol? 3 of the 4. And guess what the rape-hysteriests said about warning women about the dangers of drinking? - they told everyone it was "offensive" to tell women about it.

Seriously, the people who claimed they were about stopping rape stuck their necks out to tell everyone that it was more important that woman should feel comfortable getting smashed out drunk than it was to inform them about the #1 risk factor in getting raped.

Those people don't care about actual rape. They just don't. They need rape to stick around so it gives them power to promote their own selfish interests.

Rape is a horrible thing, and I personally helped nurse a female friend of mine back to health after it happened to her. It's just to bad there are more people using it as a moral excuse for promoting their own selfish agenda than there are people actually trying to stop it.

[–]DarkCircle1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's the thing I noticed. Everything is rape culture. Criticize girls wearing adult clothing to school? Rape culture! Suggest that women (like men) should take measures to be safe? Rape promotion.

[–]1PaulRivers100 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. First, "rape culture" is culture where rape is normalized and seen as a normal, every day activity. You know what? - we don't live in any sort of rape culture. We don't see it as a normalized, everyday activity.

Second, did you see that even RAINN (a group that promotes crap like the 1 in 6 women will be victims of sexual assault) came out and said that "rape culture" doesn't help prevent rape? http://rainn.org/images/03-2014/WH-Task-Force-RAINN-Recommendations.pdf

Research supports the view that to focus solely on certain social groups or “types” of students in the effort to end campus sexual violence is a mistake. Dr. David Lisak estimates that three percent of college men are responsible for more than 90% of rapes.

Other studies suggest that between 3-7% of college men have committed an act of sexual violence or would consider doing so. It is this relatively small percentage of the population, which has proven itself immune to years of prevention messages, that we must address in other ways. (Unfortunately, we are not aware of reliable research on female college perpetrators.)

Consider, as well, the findings of another study by Dr. Lisak and colleagues, which surveyed 1,882 male college students and determined that 120 of them were rapists. Of those determined to be rapists, the majority — 63% — were repeat offenders who admitted to committing multiple sexual assaults.

Overall, they found that each offender committed an average of 5.8 sexual assaults. Again, this research supports the fact that more than 90% of college-age males do not, and are unlikely to ever, rape. In fact, we have found that they’re ready and eager to be engaged on these issues. It’s the other guys (and, sometimes, women) who are the problem.

Even rape prevention groups realize that "rape culture" is not really about preventing rape.

[–]spikeminor21 points22 points23 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

God damn it, if all feminist were factual as her, I would be a feminist in no time......

[–]Newbosterone0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, she's advocates the sort of feminism people used to mean by "feminist".

Sommers uses the terms "equity feminism" and "gender feminism" to differentiate what she sees as acceptable and non-acceptable forms of feminism. She describes equity feminism as the struggle based upon "Enlightenment principles of individual justice" for equal legal and civil rights and many of the original goals of the early feminists, as in the first wave of the women's movement. She describes "gender feminism" as having "transcended the liberalism" of early feminists. Instead of focusing on rights for all, gender feminists view society through the "sex/gender prism" and focus on recruiting women to join the "struggle against patriarchy." A reviewer of Who Stole Feminism characterized gender feminism as the action of accenting the differences of genders in order to create what Sommers believes is privilege for women in academia, government, industry, or the advancement of personal agendas.

[–]RedPillWisdom7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Along the same lines, Slate magazine just caught on fire due to this article:

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_rape_in_america_a_new_study_reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html

So it seems, if you use the same insane "because I felt bad" standard for rape, upwards of 40% of all "sexual violence" is female on male. This is problematic, because of course if she gets tipsy and we have sex, and in the morning I am not as hot as I looked with 3 Fuzzy Navels in her, RAPE!!! On the other hand, if I am disgusted with my poor choices after I sober up, live with it pal. Man up. And so forth.

It would be silly, if not for the real consequence of jail, and the real possibility of rape that does not involve Appletinis.

[–]AngraMainyuu3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Would love to see some guy take this logic to court. Although I certainly wouldn't want ot see some poor girl thrown in jail on bullshit logic, I REALLY don't like the fact that so many guys have to go through it either.

[–]VinylGuy4204 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She could be a martyr for thousands of those wrongly imprisoned. The way I see it women have sent a ton of men through life altering trials (and convictions), one woman can take one for the team and realization of how idiotic these butthurt accusations are.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sad that only a feminist can unfeminize feminism. Did she say something new?

[–]vladimir235 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Finally a woman who can read facts and not hamster away.

[–]AnalStage[S] 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Btw is "blue pill example" the correct flair?

[–]fruitofmyloom5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd say red pill is the correct flair.

[–]ThorLives1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm confused by her numbers.

Using the "1.3 million rapes in 2010" number:

There are about 310 million people in the US, roughly 160 million of them are women. If there were 1.3 million rapes in 2010, this would work out to 0.81% of all US women were raped in 2010. Assuming a life-span of 75 years, this would work out to a 61% chance that a woman would get raped in her lifetime - this is at odds with the "1 in 5" statistic.

Using the "188,000 rapes in 2010" number:

This would work out to 0.125% of all US women were raped in 2010. Assuming a life-span of 75 years, this would work out to a 8.8% chance that a woman would get raped in her lifetime - this is also at odds with the "1 in 5" statistic. (Update: the 188,000 number is also misleading, since it includes both male and female victims. The survey claims "169,370" rapes where women were the victims, which would put the lifetime risk at 7.9%.)

They must be assuming a number of something like 400,000-500,000 women raped per year.

Note: the math gets a little more complicated if you take account of the fact that a woman can be raped more than once in her lifetime. I didn't include that in my math. For example, if every woman who was raped was raped three times in her lifetime, then the "1.3 million rapes per year" could agree with the "1 in 5 in her lifetime" number.

Also, the crime chart shows some odd numbers. 2001 says 248,250 rapes. 2008 says 125,920 rapes. 2009 says 188,380 rapes. That seems strange to me, since I'd expect some level of consistency. Instead, rapes were cut in half from 2001 to 2008, and then we see a big 50% increase in rapes from 2008 and 2009. It makes me wonder what's going on with the numbers, or if the definition of rape changed between 2008 and 2009.

Here's a link to the survey: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv10.pdf

[–]dave_is_not_here0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

God damn Debian....

There's nothing there in either Iceweasel or Epiphany anybody feel like copying and pasting for a brother?

[–]phattsao-5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She's clearly too thin to be an ACTUAL feminist

[+]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil-7 points-6 points-5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Im really happy that she finally debunked this myth. However this doesn't change the fact that her face lift makes her look like an elf character from Skyrim

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Better than an Argonian.

[+]Lee_H_Oswald-9 points-8 points-7 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

She is actually quite logical and sensical. And she is also pleasing to the eye, I like her. Shame shes a feminist I guess

[–]1mr_throwz11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She only identifies as a feminist to piss feminists off.

[–]Menadian1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Best kind of feminist.

[–]Grimmov0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed, if she didn't self-identify as feminist, no one would take her seriously. It's like talking about "climate science" if you aren't a climatologist. The cyclical, self-referential nature of academic credentialism undermines the perceived legitimacy of any intellectual attacks made by outsiders.

This woman is a relic of a bygone age. She is a woman's rights activist who looks around at modern feminism and sees nothing but madness.

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