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BLUE PILL + RED PILL EXAMPLE: Beta gets married to malleable atheist/catholic polish wannabe girlfriend

realniggasstandup

October 9, 2013
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Title BLUE PILL + RED PILL EXAMPLE: Beta gets married to malleable atheist/catholic polish wannabe girlfriend
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realniggasstandup

Upvotes 22
Comments 36
Date October 9, 2013 8:08 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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Comments

[–]realniggasstandup[S] 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

red pill theory (for the women): being a traditional housewife will win commitment.

blue pill example: beta fell for it too easily.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At least the comments are pretty good.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit she went nuclear on him, dug her claws in (went round his house when he wasn't in and let herself in, what the fuck?!) and using her feminine charms, she got him to stay around. Why? Because the bitch wants a baby and she's attached to him.

Holy shit.

This is going to end badly. He's too much of a pussy to realise the stunt she just pulled. By letting her win this, he sets the precedent for the rest of the relationship. She got her way. You lose ground with a woman, good luck ever getting that shit back. She violated a major boundary of his and he's cool to go along with it now because hey, bitch blew him, cooked him food and said how much she loves him whilst hugging the crap out of him. Soft power, hard power, whatever, it's all manipulation.

Now she has control via soft power, she'll sabotage the relationship, the best relationships have a woman trusting a man where she relinquishes her control to him because she feels safe and he has the strength, integrity and credibility to lead. Letting a person who is inherently devoid of grounded logic run a relationship is a bad idea and inevitably ends in disaster. This little stunt firmly puts her in the seat of power, but because it's so cunning, he thinks he's still calling shots, tip my man: you're not, you just got got.

Now he's hamstering why ignoring his instincts and letting her get her way is a good thing and he wants people to validate his hamstering in the comments. God damn.

Big fucking disappointment, this guy will never live this shit down. He's set a fucking precedent now, he gave away his commitment on her terms, not his.

Man, I hope he's just trolling because this is pathetic.

[–]1mrust7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree with your analysis. However:

Man, I hope he's just trolling because this is pathetic.

No, it's quite average. He's actually ahead of the average because he got her to propose to him. She's going to be too old to leave him by the time their romance fizzles in a few years.

But yes, this has many red flags.

  • She earns more
  • She's significantly older
  • He completely lost his shit to her emotional manipulation
  • Changed overnight from waiting for kids for another 5 years, to trying right away

These updates have been coming in daily, so he's quite unstable at the moment. Your comment about her going nuclear is right on the money.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Good bullet points, the red flags are all there. I concur.

Now if he even manages to balls up she'll dig in further and guilt trip him "I went and cooked your favourite food and made a real effort and you don't even care."

Anger/Shaming > Guilt > Sadness/Pleading and then back to anger. That's how they keep you around when they're desperate. She's desperate.

[–]1mrust1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but he's also clueless. One of his comments:

Ofcourse things change when we have a baby. But I am not going to be one of those loser husbands that only get to have sex on their Birthdays. Gf said when she does get further along she will still keep blowing me.

Good thing he managed to negotiate this point /s

Also, don't forget the waterworks.

I think the only way this could be worse is if she was a single mommy. I really wonder how the comments would have changed in reaction.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Accepting a proposal from a woman is failing a huge shit test. Imagine the jokes at the wedding for starters.

[–]shamanbard 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't upvote this enough. Gentlemen, she controls the sex, you control the commitment. Never forget this.

[–]CurveballSI5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I saw this thread earlier this morning and wondered how long it'd take to make it's way over here. Part of me hopes that guy is just an excellent, dedicated troll, but if not, he's a fuckin joke.

[–]LuciusExitius1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously, yesterday they posted him not wanting to marry her. They have been together for 4 months and he had doubts, if he has a kid he is going to have a bad time...

[–]RPstudent3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She must be seeing that wall flying at her

[–]Rhodos6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She's 31, he's 25.

[–]mo_dingo2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

eek, and he wants to keep having kids until he has a son, good luck buddy.

[–]ryeprotagonist1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

quoting from the dark master:

Maxim #55: Run for your Life Shit Tests: BEWARE the classic gun-to-the-head marriage pressure administered by your typical non-descript, rudderless late 20’s/early 30’s woman. When a woman pressures you mercilessly to marry her, bullying to the point of threatening a break up – this is the shit test of ALL shit tests. Treat it as such – If you fail this shit test, you are RUINED. FOR. LIFE.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I find that of you are willing to walk away, nonchalantly, no bullshit, she'll drop it most times.

Either you are single again by ejecting crazy or she submits to your frame.

[–]Evers891 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't understand this man... He was dead set on leaving her for noble and personal reasons that make perfect sense. (Age, culture, timing, location, etc...)

Now, she throws a shit fit and acts out of complete desperation. It is not how she will be in six months. People who act emotionally out of panic make all sorts of bat shit maneuvers out of self preservation.

The fact that at his age he doesn't see what it is bothers me. Not only that, he fucking caved... And not only taking her back, but re negging on every other promise he made to himself short of moving away. In two days.

I get it, it's a nice gesture from her for his emotions, but come on, we all know what's happening... His frame is shaky, she wins the power battle. He's set himself up for failure and in the future, she won't take his threats seriously. Not a strong dude.

[–]lieutenant20 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Redpillwomen advice works. Girl hasn't done anything 'bad' really except perhaps being a little crazy (4 months and a proposal and babies?) that could be because she sees the wall coming.

If you excuse the crazy, I can't see what's not to like about her. She cleans the house, cooks amazing food to feed him, gives him sex, and she's sweet and caring. Isn't that what a guy wants?

I do wish she had more sense to find an older guy for stability reasons, but then she could have high SMV (though she's getting old) or high expectations, and maybe there weren't many older guys in her area to choose from that were close to her (albeit declining) SMV or expectations. A lot of guys after 35 are taken and if not taken, there's usually baggage/complications with them (they might prefer bachelorhood, or they've already been married and divorced and have kids, or their SMV is low and hopeless).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

A moment of silence for our dearly departed.

I hope he gets a prenup and puts off kids for a few years, waiting until they are comfortably established overseas. It will also give him time to see how she really behaves.

[–]n0c0ntr0l 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She's 31.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea, he's fucked.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Your title was confusing, but then I realized it was the story that was confusing and you were just trying to do your best.

At least the chick didn't end up pregnant as a desperate attempt to get him back

[–]Pink_acetaminophen1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but she managed to convince him into actively trying to knock her up. It's so much worse lol.

[–]Kronouranos0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol. This is fantastic.

[–]pcadrian 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit. I did not expect this to happen.

[–]alt303130 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What happened to the redpill post on this?

I was able to bring the reddit log but not the RP post with comments.

Link to reddit log if anyone would like to read it: http://redditlog.com/snapshot/22217/28129

[–]alt303130 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll post the original post and redit log for the second one since the OP has deleted them.

Redditlog for update: http://redditlog.com/snapshot/22217/28129

Original post:

"Gf (31f and I (25m) have been together for 4 months. We both live about 15 minutes away from each other so we hang out with each other often. We have a great sex life, although we don't live with each other but we spend the night at each other's places all the time.

She is a great woman and I love her a lot. In about two weeks or so we have a trip planned for Florida. Recently I noticed she has been acting a lot more bubbly, and has been doing stuff for me in my apartment I never asked her to do. (I'd come home to clean dishes/laundry done etc). She has always been a great gf and done things for me but now even nicer.

I was getting ready in the bathroom when I overheard her talking to her mom telling her that 'she knows' that I am going to propose to her on our trip to Florida. And from her voice I could tell that she was really excited as well. Some people have said that me might have said it loud enough so I could hear, I don't think it was the case but throwing that in there.

I have no intentions of marrying this woman; right now I am looking for someone to casually date and have fun with. Me and my gf have talked about this before, and she said she isn't looking for anything serious either. She always makes fun of me be for being immature, and all so I never thought she would ever view me as husband material. I thought I was just her 'boy toy.' She makes a good bit more money than I do and already has a fully paid off house.

I love her but in all honesty I'd like my wife to be a bit younger than I am and not really planning on getting married till I am settled. Her being older is often emasculating for me because of the way she says certain things making me feel immature. It is very likely that next year my job will be moving to London. So I don't really know what to do; I have been looking forward on going with this trip with her for a while and really don't want to say anything that would ruin it.

I want this to be clear I don't think she is trying to get herself pregnant. Before we started dating she said she has no interest in having kids. I really don't believe this whole not taking Birth Control or Poking holes in Condoms. I bet .001% of women do this people on the internet tend to have a fascination of this because it is such a crazy story.

I don't think I have done or said anything that would indicate I am planning on proposing. No internet search histories, no recent conversations. She hasn't even met my parents. We don't share a bank account, we don't really know each other's friends that well. Since we have been together she hasn't really tried to escalate our relationship by any means so I don't see where the marriage idea comes from.

Tldr- Gf told mom I am planning on proposing to her on the vacation we have planned.. I have no intentions of marrying her what to do

Questions/Advice

Should I wait before or after the trip to confront her (I have been looking forward to it badly)

How do I talk to her about it?

If she agrees to stay with me even after I tell her not to get married is our relationship still over?"

[–]plopliar0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Man, I really hope this works out for this guy... Cause otherwise he is gonna be in a world of hurt if she completely changes face after the wedding.

[–]JamieValentine1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

troll

[–]SwordfshII-3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

I commented on the last thread that "she sounds like a good girl," doesn't sound like he went Blue Pill. He kept his frame, didn't give in to her demands, and she takes care of him.

I would have said yes in his spot.

I think some of you look way to hard at things.

[–]1mrust2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

didn't give in to her demands

I think that's exactly what happened.

If he kept his frame it's only because it was never a good one to begin with. He was going to wait for kids for 5 years and now they're trying right away. That's a huge change in his life plan.

Keep in mind they've only been together for 4 months.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It's not happening on his terms, he lost frame when she started shot calling. She started shot calling when she pulled the whole elaborate facade of entering his house without his permission, doing him dinner when he got home and basically doing a sales pitch on why she's worth it by appealing to his emotions and not his logic and showing she can google some polish food recipes. Ok it's a nice gesture, but that doesn't mean you give her what she wants, you didn't ask for that. Law number motherfucking 40 - despise the free lunch, hyperlink: http://48laws-of-power.blogspot.com/2011/05/law-40-despise-free-lunch.html

Excerpt: What is offered for free is dangerous—it usually involves either a trick or a hidden obligation. What has worth is worth paying for. By paying your own way you stay clear of gratitude, guilt, and deceit.

The guy was dead set against it, now all of a sudden - quick turnaround he's given in to her.

If you think that's a guy keeping frame... you need to read more RP shit my friend. Best of luck to anyone who thinks this guys in control, she's cunning as fuck and he's being played.

[–]SwordfshII-3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes you guys look way to hard to discredit someone. I have been RPing for over a year, and something I have learned is that you cant be RP all the time and expect to have women stick around.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

something I have learned is that you cant be RP all the time and expect to have women stick around.

True you can't be too alpha all the time, but that's not the same as being "too rp." This is a woman he was going to leave because he knew she was a bad bet in his gut, he wasn't trying to get her to stay around, she changed his mindset right around by appealing to his heart. You're incredibly off point for someone who claims to be RP. If you're gonna disagree, at least argue why this was a good choice instead of just using some blanket shaming shit like "you look too hard to discredit people." Support your argument or don't expect to be taken seriously.

[–]SwordfshII-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sigh.

Did you read the first post a few days ago? Did you read this one?

She is submissive in all aspects, she is supportive in all actions, she placed value in him "I am lucky to be with you," she supports him monetarily. She harkens back to the old days, something most entitled women do not. Behaviorally she is great.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're overlooking the fact it's not on his terms. If you get all that on your own terms, great. If you're getting that because she's post-wall and desperate for a baby and just pulled an elaborate facade to entrap you as you make your escape, it's not so great. Context is everything. I see you ignored the whole free lunch shit.

I don't think your opinion is going to change and that's OK that's not what I'm trying to achieve, I'm only replying for the sake of the readers in case anyone is silly enough to actually think this guy is in control. If we identify it for what it is, she's gaming him via soft-power, Law 22: Surrender Tactic - Transform weakness into power she's desperate so she's gone nuclear.

I recommend the 48 laws of power to everyone, women use a lot of this shit innately, and when you can identify it and use it yourself you become less of an idealist and more of a pragmatist.

[–]SwordfshII-3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Eh I still think you guys are looking too far into this, but I do understand that he is kind of hamstering. There is something to be said about not being alpha, RP, whatever you want to call it; all the time.

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