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Feminism is the butt of an ironic joke it has played on itself. Thanks to liberation, smart women don't have kids and because of this future generations of women will get progressively dumber and less capable as natural selection pushes for greater sexual dimorphism in intelligence.

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Title Feminism is the butt of an ironic joke it has played on itself. Thanks to liberation, smart women don't have kids and because of this future generations of women will get progressively dumber and less capable as natural selection pushes for greater sexual dimorphism in intelligence.
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Date August 7, 2013 7:37 PM UTC
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[–]16 MGaiusScaevolus 63 points64 points65 points 12 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

A lot of smart men aren't having kids either. A wife, kids, all that, are a poor investment financially and legally. The smartest men I know under 35 are confirmed Puerarchs, and I doubt that's just a coincidence.

Idiocracy will be seen as prophetic in 100 years.

[–]iKill_eu 22 points23 points24 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Quite frankly, the only care about having kids I have is that I think it would be satisfying to raise someone to be a good man. I don't have some fanatical end-all drive to multiply. What will the world look like in 70 years? I don't care, and not having a kid means I won't have to care much.

[–]FreedomIntensifies 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The upper echelon of intelligent men are largely scientists and well aware that we're on the verge of vast extension of not just lifespan but the expected number of healthy/active years.

It would not surprise me in the least if I end up not having kids until I am 60 and retired, having them birthed from an artificial womb, and devoting most of my free time over the course of a couple decades to being a semi-retired single parent, to emerge 80 something in perfect youthful health and physical condition.

Even if the biotechnology end doesn't progress as I hope, I can still elect between paying a woman to carry my children to term and retain full custody, or bet the ranch on successful cooperation with one if I am feeling like a frisky old fart.

[–]empyblessing 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No one knows what the future holds.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you're thinking of being a father at old age you should think about froze your sperm. Every year the quality of the sperm diminish because in its replication it have error every time. There's an inverse relationship between paternal age and IQ in the offspring.

So, froze that juice now, go for the vasectomy and when you think it is time, just go for the in vitro procedure.

[–]James_Coook 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"I can still elect between paying a woman to carry my children to term and retain full custody, or bet the ranch on successful cooperation with one if I am feeling like a frisky old fart."...This sounds waaaaaay better than risk losing up to half your assets / earnings to a wife as part of a marriage.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are men now who have kids when they are 60 without special medical treatments.

[–]Camerongilly 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

People get Idiocracy wrong most of the time.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]QuietlyLearning 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When I watched it a second time the line “I think maybe the world got like this because of people like me” stuck with me as well. This analysis seems spot on. You have the result of what will happen if the average person does nothing more than sit around and do nothing; those who critique others while doing nothing to improve themselves.

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

Theodore Roosevelt

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ya, but relatively speaking, higher intelligence doesn't hit fertility in men as bad, if at all. These can wait until they are 40-50 and change their mind. When in Asia, it was not uncommon to see older western guys with hot young wives and newborns. Really dumb guys, on the other hand, have shit fertility.

I anticipate my own life will take a similar trajectory....

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

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[–]_Xi_ 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Naw, with our country becoming a prison state, we'll need those dumb kids to follow orders without question.

[–]16 MGaiusScaevolus 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It will be the ever declining average determining who is 'dumb'.

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[–]elevul -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Better solution: sterilize every single human being, and allow only in-vitro fecondation. This way, there is no problem of unwanted children, no problem of stupid or sick children (DNA would be checked before implant), and no problem of poor people breeding like rabbits (since making a child would be expensive). Safe, fair, equal, politically correct.

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[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But we dont have biological clocks luckily or tragically

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points43 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

That's not how evolution works, a dumb woman can have a dumb daughter or a dumb son, it won't make women dumber, it will make everyone dumber.

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[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

that kind of thing happens over long periods of time. In the time it takes for the change to be noticeable we could have completely altered the human genome.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In another comment I mention it would be a longterm phenomenon. In fact, I would suspect it already occurs to an extent at present and that current mechanisms will become more important.

[–]empyblessing 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't men have a gene which makes them more prone to retardation?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It would be different alleles (or combinations of alleles) of the same genes leading to different cognitive abilities both on the high and low end.

[–]tallwheel 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a dumb article. I can't believe even The Guardian would publish this drivel.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points32 points 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Men won't commit to women because of the risk of paying child support, alimony, getting fucked over divorces. Women wonder why men won't commit. Women get told "Find your way, get a career, you don't need a man, take your time", they do just that, get older, have babies at a later age or not at all. Fertility rates sink and more babies are born with genetic inferiority.

Population decreases in the West, this affects the economy for better or worse. This affects the environment for better or worse.

How long until people in the mainstream actually say "You know the whole "You Go Girl!" movement that started x years ago? Turns out that's detrimental..."

Meanwhile, those women who never graduated High School with 4 kids are being supported by the government.

It's not just the women. Do smart men want to get trapped?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

There is a reason the number 1 inter-racial marriage is white men to asian females. This will hurt women more than men, there is no doubt of that.

[–]lefo1340 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can I get a source for that?

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points 12 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

This is incorrect.

I don't know how this myth got started, but White male/Asian female marriages have always been one of the least common marriages. White men/Asian women marriages make up 1.6% of marriages. And if you just want to look at IR marriages, the most common IR marriages are White/Hispanic marriages, followed by Other marriages (I'm assuming this means people of mixed ethnic backgrounds) and White/Asian marriages are in a distant third, only White/Black marriages are behind them. And that includes AM/WW marriages. With less than 9% of (married) White men with non-White (this includes White Hispanic people, who are considered a separate group in the census) women in the US, IR marriages are rare, period. White people marry out much less than non-White people in the US, even taking demographics into account. It should also be noted that Asian women are marrying out less in the past 10+ years, due to more Asian immigration into the US. And Asian men are marrying out more, with some Asian men marrying more White women than Asian women (particularly Japanese and Filipino men, with Korean men heading that way, as well). The numbers show a clear trend, they are heading towards each other. I wouldn't be surprised to see it balance out within the next decade or two.

Source: http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/02/16/the-rise-of-intermarriage/

One of the more interesting things I learned from reading the census is that the marriages with the highest earnings and educational levels in the US are between Asian men and White women. They make more money and are more educated than WM/AW marriages, WM/WW marriages and AM/AW marriages. That's something the mainstream media doesn't want people knowing about.

[–]RedSunBlue 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Interesting stuff. Thanks for posting.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No problem.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know how this myth got started

After and during the wars (ww2 and vietnam, yes im aware vietnam was a policing action and not a war, but I digress...) it was very common for soldiers to marry local women. Or develop an affinity for them.

It was a small period in time that this was pretty normal and not limited to a small group.

So while it may not be a "myth" persay, I think it was more indicative of the period of that time and people never really understood it kind of stopped being so common and the "myth" developed...some people just never learned that it was a limited thing for a period of time...

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/02/16/the-rise-of-intermarriage/2/

So this at least says that asian/white is second most common. In addition, I am always a little hesitant to draw a strict conclusion about statements involving the word "hispanic". All that means is that the person is from a spanish speaking country. For example, I know a professor who was born in argentina and is considered "hispanic" for census and polling purposes. Yet, the man is 100% eastern european descent and jewish.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Third most common... out of four possible options. And barely outnumbering the fourth option, by less than 3%. Did you read the study and look at the pie chart? It's all there. No matter how you slice it, very few White men are marrying Asian women in the US.

They also specifically define "Hispanic" as a non-racial group. It is widely known that many Hispanic people in the US are of predominately European heritage, like your example. That's a possible reason why you have mistakenly thought White/Asian marriages are a common interracial couple... the majority of the actual interracial couples in the US are not as visible to you. What you thought was a White-White couple might have been a White-Hispanic couple. My sister is another example. Her SO of 6 years is White Hispanic. He has black hair, blue eyes and very pale skin, so most people assume he is another White American. But he was born in Mexico and his family was in Mexico for many generations, making him Hispanic, despite the fact he is ethnically Spanish and Portuguese.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

At 14%, asian/white was pretty high.

I would argue that it doesn't really count as inter-racial if both parties are predominately of European descent. That is my opinion.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

This is the final time I will explain this to you. Hopefully, it will sink in. If not, I'm throwing in the towel.

Approximately 9% of White men and 9% of White women married non-White people, according to the 2010 US census.

That 14% of all IR marriages represents (in no particular order):

  • White men married to Asian women
  • White men married to Native American women
  • White men married to PI women
  • Asian men married to White women
  • Native American men married to White women
  • PI men married to White women

There is no "pretty high" to be found, here. And there is no argument to be had. The US census is the best and most accurate source available.

Your personal opinion about White/Hispanic marriages is irrelevant.

Based on your posts in this topic and in others I have read, you are convincing me (and others) that one (or both) of two things is true.

1) You're delusional.

2) You have extremely poor reading comprehension.

I am no expert, but I do not think either of these traits will get you anywhere in life. And they certainly wouldn't be very "red pill".

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well, I haven't mentioned it before, but my claim wasn't US specific. I wonder what the stats would be when also including European countries.

I generally am exposed more to people with upper middle class backgrounds, and there definitely seems to be a trend with this particular type of IR marriage. I wonder what would happen if you controlled for SES.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You went this far into the conversation, when I posted a link to a US only source, before mentioning this? I suspect you are now trying to change the subject, but I'll try to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I would imagine in Europe, it's similar, but with more AM/WW marriages. I saw more of them when I was in France and Germany. I've also read in the news that Asian men are a popular choice for some Slavic women. European people tend to have a higher opinion of Asian people and Asian men (according to my male Asian friends who had a much easier time dating over there), compared to Americans. The emasculated Asian man myth isn't prevalent overseas, it's more of an American/Canadian problem. Since I don't have their census data on hand, I cannot confirm anything either way.

As far as SES is concerned, since AM/WW couples have the highest income and highest education of all the marriages in the US, I would expect to see them better represented in higher classes. As for WM/AW, I have never noticed a pattern in regards to education or class of either person.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I suspect you are now trying to change the subject

no, you are just way more invested in this than I am on an emotional level. I don't know why.

I seem to remember a long time ago an article talking about AW, WM being the most common. Couldn't find it now, so it may be a faulty memory.

I have also lived in Asia, and there are a lot of expats over there doing just this. This of course wouldn't be caught in US census data.

[–]ComplainyGuy 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think this is silly and immature. Not the sort of statement a proper educated man would actually think to himself frankly.

It's difficult to see angsty teenage sentiments be upvoted on a board about being the best man you can. It's not about how bad they are, it's about how good you can become.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who is annoyed by this attitude.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP is first about understanding the world accurately, because to improve yourself you need to know how things actually work. That also includes understanding how men and women are different, and how certain beliefs have evolutionary consequences.

[–]rap1dfire 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Gotta love people who don't know jack about genetics talking BS about it. If intelligence ran down on families by genes, we would never even have evolved to what we are now, species wise. Albert Einstein would have been a simple man, too.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Guess these guys are just talking out their ass then:

http://www.brainskills.co.uk/isintelligenceinherited.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ#Estimates_of_the_heritability_of_IQ

One says rates as high as 60% of your IQ is inherited, the other says up to 80%. That leaves some wiggle room for natural selection and environmental contributions to intelligence so the "survival of the fittest" notion remains intact.

Fact of the matter is when you're an adult more than 50% of your cognitive processes are thought to be inherited in either their exceptionality or limitation, dependent on the case and your viewpoint.

[–]ComplainyGuy 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

  1. I would like to point out IQ is an extremely flawed measure if 'intelligence'

  2. Including the information "% difference in 'geneticly' transfered IQ among indivduals" would show that...and this is me speculating... All humans would be VERY close to eachother as it is.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

g (short for general intelligence factor), which has replaced IQ, is very effective a predicting longterm success. Knowing g, as determined by one of these tests, allows you to make reliable predictions about that persons future. That is all it is meant to do, and it does it very well. Better than any other predictive measure available.

Stating it is flawed demonstrates you have not taken the time to adequately research it. It is mostly leftoid opinion editorials that make that claim.

[–]rap1dfire 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How do you even inherit IQ? Is there a formula for this? I guess i'm way begind all of this then.

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[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So basically it's DNA and peers, not your parents.

[–]Lord_Perseus 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Given that most of these women tend to be femcunts i take this as welcome news the sooner these bitches are removed from the gene pool the better off the human race will be as a result

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Plenty of potentially good women get sucked down by the influence of feminists. Perhaps even a large majority, depending on your location

[–]Lord_Perseus 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup feminism is an airborne toxin that women today can't seem to avoid turning many decent women into narcissistic cunts

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Except that femcuntism is not a product of biology, but rather a product of education and upbringing. Future generations won't be free of indoctrination just because the liberated wimminz aren't breeding.

[–]empyblessing 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's more like the species is selectively outbreeding the feminist gene. Damn nature you awesome.

[–]Sarahmint 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think it's deeper then that. The United States rewards (gives grants and wefare and social security checks) people who are disadvantaged mentally or physically or financially. Being full of charity is a great thing. But people who are successful financially are punished with high taxes (and now being shamed by various political movements).

In the long run, those who are still around will be the offspring of those that were able to have more kids.

A busy working family may not have children where an unwealthy woman may have lots of kids she does not love at all but will love them each time the welfare check comes in the mail (single mothers at low income get a certain amount per child, so each child is more money for the month). These are two extreme examples, but in the long run the population becomes the offspring of the more reproductive (who had more babies) families.

Edit: I was actually in a skype chat with someone who (ironically was a female) despised women who pride themselves as mothers. Suffice to say I left the chat because it bothered me that much.

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[–]Sarahmint -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

where do you get your figures? that is not the case at all

[–]elheretic 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If only IQ affected reproductive success.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexy_son_hypothesis

When you see Jose in his minivan with 8 kids you will see that this theory definitely falls flat.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Only in Nanny states, which are a very recent invention. Through the majority of human history dumb people died early and couldn't support a family because they couldn't get resources necessary.

[–]AlbinoCrocodile 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like "smart" feminist females aren't actually very smart. I see them as nerdy girls who devote themselves to learn as a way to prove their worth (ironically) since they lack being physically attractive and having a good personality.

[–]jakethesnake76 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I disagree with the premiss that these feminist are the smartest girls in the room , although they sure try to claim it..So no loss if they don't reproduce.

Edit: This intelligence is rather subjective in my opinion as my sister , who was valedictorian of her class ( while i got a C average) , She is so smart she would only read her text books at the start of the year then never open again but was a 4.0 student. She is also known to drive down the road and forget to drive , just let go of the steering wheel. So i take some of this with a grain of salt.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

With traditional gender roles, smart women and dumb women alike were made to have children as their primary purpose. There was no selective advantage for being dumb or smart. Ironically, traditional roles reduced negative selective pressure on smart women, while feminism accomplishes the opposite.

Thanks to liberation, child rearing can now be a secondary purpose. This has greatly lowered the fertility of capable intelligent women who are now pursing careers and becoming spinsters instead of mothers. However, there has been little downward pressure on dumb women's fertility.

What this means is that there is a negative selective pressure against intelligence in women. Given enough generations, intelligence traits in women will be suppressed.

Intelligent men do not have the hit in fertility, and very likely benefit from considerable fertility boost.

In the very long term, natural selection will push for greater sexual dimorphism in this trait. Mechanisms that suppress female intelligence without impeding male intelligence will evolve to reflect the realities of the disparate affect of intelligence on either gender's fertility.

Either that, or traditional roles will re-assert themselves given sufficient societal collapse.

[–]Veritisia 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Not really, I mean yes the Average woman won't be as smart as a woman say at the beginning of the century, but the main difference in the intellectual abilities of any given female is about the same on a genetic level. It is the males that can rapidly increase or decrease the intelligence of the group as whole, since they have a greater chance of genetic mutation by not having two full x chromosomes. The females wont get any dumber perse, they just wont get any smarter, but yes, troubling idea.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Actually, I am kind of interested where you first learned about x linked intelligence. It doesn't seem too widely known outside of select academic communities and particular fields. In fact, I had to conceive of the idea independently since it is so obscure. Of course, it has been around a lot longer than when I first thought of it, but how do you even find out when no one talks about it?

[–]FreedomIntensifies 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think that it is largely a myth.

Here is a discussion of the number of intelligence associated genes on the X chromosome and comparison to how many you would expect given a random distribution. The actual number appears to be lower than the random distribution, meaning the X chromosome is unusually divorced from intelligence determination. It is worth noting that the author is primarily looking at retardation associated genes.

On the other hand, a strong positive genetic correlation to intelligence exists for uric acid levels which are much higher in men than women. Since this stuck out as one of the few positively correlated variables, I did a bit of literature review and found some interesting results.

It turns out that certain alleles of a uric acid regulating genes exhibit sexual dimorphism. The high level of xenoestrogens in the modern environment is known to disrupt estrogen to androgen balance in humans yet may also serve to increase female intelligence by inhibiting the dimorphic regulation of uric acid levels. We also know that xenoestrogens tend to reverse or disrupt sexual differentiation of the female in non-humans and alter mate preference and behavior in the human female, possibly explaining why there is a modern negative correlation between female intelligence and the number of offspring.

This makes further sense because it is hard to imagine that there is really a historical evolutionary pressure against intelligence in females given the relatively low level of sexual dimorphism with respect to intelligence present today with the average IQ being roughly equal and only slight increase in the variance of the male relative to the female.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

The paper you linked to is a letter to the editor, not very persuasive for determining x linked intelligence is a myth. There is far more literature in support of the idea. Especially when you consider what is available for x-linked mental retardation which dates back to at least the 70s.

For a review of x linkage and intelligence, I recommend

Sexual dimorphism in cognition and behaviour: the role of X-linked genes David Skuse

Edit: go to /r/scholar if you don't have access.

[–]FreedomIntensifies 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Did you even bother reading the paper you recommended?

They only discuss X linked candidates for disorders (and consequent retardation) or behavioral differences, just like I said earlier. I knew that was going to be the case by the time I got to

X-inactivation, haploinsufficiency (in males) for non-inactivated genes with no Y homology

in the abstract but read through the rest of the paper anyway to give you the benefit of the doubt.

These partially explain the broadening of variance in male IQ due to increased frequency of retardation, but not really relevant to high IQ considerations which is what this thread is about.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That so many genes causing mental disorders can be traced x chromosome is a strong indication that they x plays a role in the nervous system more generally. It also goes a most of the way in explaining the variance of men on IQ tests. Certainly it explains men being on the low end, and it isn't much of a stretch to suspect it working in the high end as well. Far from being a "myth" it is a very convincing hypothesis. This is because it has explanatory power. It explains why men are more varied in intelligence. It explains why the majority of talented figures in history (and today) were men. It explains how intelligence could so rapidly evolve in the human lineage.

This paper gives more commentary on the evolution of the x chromosome

Sex Chromosomes in Vertebrates: XX/XY against ZZ/ZW

U. Zechner , H. Hameister

[–]Veritisia 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's basic common sense that the human male, whom is more disposable to the species would be the driving evolutionary force. The women are primely engineered to like dominance, with the ability to raise children, a man that could leave her but doesn't. What ever male can best suite the environment would be the best evolutionary force on the species and most likely to pass on his genes. We still hold a custom to welcome all foreign dignitaries with respect and hospitality. When the chinese, the russian, the ottomans failed to do so Ghenghis khan wiped these proud peoples away. Still 1% of all peoples on earth descend from Ghenghis Khan.

What we see as intelligence is merely the predisposition to excel in urbanization, agriculture, and modernization, instead of the predisposition to run fast and kill people with your bare hands.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This is speculation, but I would anticipate hormone mediated or y derived mechanisms which can turn off (lower expression levels of) intelligence boosting genes in females, thus offering themselves some sort of protection from natural selection while in female intermediates. Basically a selfish gene type scenerio.

Edit: hormone mediated or y derived mechanism to boost expression level in males. Hormone mediated in females to lower expression. (presumably, a mechanism which recognized a ploidy of the x to mediate downstream events could also work.)

[–]Staple_Stable 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The problem is that cognitive development is largely X chromosome based. If smarter women are spending more time getting their careers and having less children, then yea, dumber women will reproduce at a higher rate. But that later leads to dumber males in the 3rd generation. Granted, men have a higher natural pressure to be smart, so I'm sure we'll still see really smart males, but its possible the average male intelligence will also fall.

[–]Veritisia 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And those dumber males will be less incline to succeed in a society ever more lacking in the fields they excel at. Men with out a job don't mate.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A dumber overall population will result in the short term. But in the long term I think that increased sexual dimorphism will occur. X linkage isn't the only mechanism at play in intelligence. Mechanistically, this is achievable by a cascade triggered by a y specific gene that modifies expression levels on the same genes.

Or a mechanism that would modify expression levels depending on the recognition of x ploidy number.

[–]junoguten -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On the further negative side, in a single mother culture, if the mother is an absolute dumbfuck, and the kids are low regular to normal, they tend to grow up to be annoying low level bureocrats. And not even the cool, competent ones like Hermes from Futurama

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You...sir...are a gentleman and a scholar

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also braver, more assertive men are declining to have children.

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