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I'll just leave this here

DerickBurton

April 3, 2013
36 upvotes
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Title I'll just leave this here
Author

DerickBurton

Upvotes 36
Comments 61
Date April 3, 2013 10:48 PM UTC
(13 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/TheRedPill
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1bmcro/ill_just_leave_this_here/
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Comments

[–]Modredpillschool 48 points49 points50 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't it be great to get validation without doing anything worthy of it?

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, having men as friends is great, women are so catty! (read: Men are desperate to get laid and let me act like a cunt, other women call me out on my bullshit and hold me to account.)

[–]DerickBurton[S] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can only dream!

[–]AlwaysLateToThreads 28 points29 points30 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Never again.

[–]DerickBurton[S] 17 points18 points19 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Haha you and me both, mate.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Non-boyfriend. Not even once.

[–]DerickBurton[S] 10 points11 points12 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Once for me, when I was 19 and she was 23. Learnt my lesson the hard way.

[–]r_rships_account 11 points12 points13 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Hmm. So basically a boyfriend you don't have to have sex with.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 14 points15 points16 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

...which means the guy you do have sex with doesn't have to do those things.

It's sad for two reasons. First, it means that women aren't demanding more of the men they have sex with - women have lowered their standards. Second, it means that I don't get to do something that I would actually enjoy. Our fathers took pride in this stuff! I love taking care of the women I'm with, but there's less room for me to do it because of all the orbiters.

I once showed up to take a girl out dancing and this guy was bringing her garbage cans up from the street. I'm like, "who is that" and says he's "just a friend" - I assume she's banging him, but I don't especially care. I dropped it, but she felt the need to reassure me by really talking the guy down. She would never have sex with him. She laughed about him. I started pitying the guy, honestly. One of the things she told me he had done was to sleep outside in his car all night because some guy was stalking her. That's how "good of a friend" he was. WTF?

Anyway, I banged her on the hood of my car and then put the condom in the garbage can. I presume he got to carry it back down to the street a week later.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That girl sounds like a total bitch. Where was your car parked? This sounds hilariously awesome!

For what it's worth, I don't think there's anything wrong with having female friends. I have one I talk to regularly. She can be a bitch, but she's not bitchy at all to me, and she's fun to talk to. I like having her as a friend. I don't want to bang her, but if it comes down to it at some point, I probably will go ahead.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"When he does get a girlfriend, there’s a pretty good chance that you can become friends with her because obviously, whoever he ends up with will be rad."

Implying that a "boy bff" is single. This kind of just admits the whole thing is how to exploit single men.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Translation:

"I will learn her secrets and insecurities and explot them as I find myself sexually attracted to the guy suddenly"

[–]ThatsNotScholarship 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Women, even women I am sure are much much smarter than me (like Ivy league, 1600 SAT, PhD in math) come off as completely oblivious to reality.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can't outsmart emotions.

[–]suckafreefriday 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They just think theyre the most clever people alive.

[–]SpawnQuixote 33 points34 points35 points 13 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

You see, if I wrote an article called "Fuck em and chuck em" it would be the equivalent.

These non-boyfriends provide utility. They are the ultimate beta males, waiting, slavering for a taste of dramatic theme begins...true love. dramatic theme ends.

Meanwhile, she is getting her ass plowed by a man much like myself, who recognizes her need to be dominated and told what to do.

Obviously, I never make it past the shit test stage but that is working out for me just fine. I want the sex, they want the relationship. The first shit test and I walk. No exceptions.

True love doesn't exist. Everybody wants something from someone else. If a stranger approaches you in the parking lot, they want something, usually to their benefit.

True love is for suckers.

[–]DerickBurton[S] 11 points12 points13 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, the word "utility" really stood out.

[–]chikinpickle 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Its like they view you as a fucking multi tool. Oh my sinks broken? Let me call over leatherman he has a screwdriver attachment.

[–]DerickBurton[S] 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

These days I point them in the direction of a hardware store then youtube and tell 'em to make me proud. Much laughs ensue.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Hur hur, "utilize", hur hur.

edit: It's a film reference: Idiocracy. A good watch, although, it's more a black comedy, than a pure comedy, and also serves to extrapolate some of our fears here.

[–]r_rships_account 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It does exist, but it's pretty rare, and women are less likely to partake of it in my experience.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You're spreading the truth my friend. I'm working with the mentality that I'll end up marrying the hottest girl who pisses me off the least. Fuck feelings. It's about the children.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i dont understand how there are still men marrying.

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro 9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

end up marrying

I.e. signing the worst contract on earth

?????

Profit

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe not American, with all the legal baggage that an American marriage comes with? I don't know if it's different in other countries.

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can write off all European countries and South America... other than that maybe someone will chime in.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Take every instance of the word "man" from this article and replace it with "gay man" and it will start to make sense.

[–]mbatterham8 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'll just leave this here

He’ll put you in a cab when you’ve had too much to drink and know you don’t really want to sleep with him when you start pawing at him.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

So you get a girl that needs as much attention as a girlfriend without the sex part, you get to deal with her jealousy when another girl threatens to take your attention away, and she uses you as an emotional tampon to make herself feel better.. wonderful

I find it funny that the frisky article is just a list of ways a girl can use a guy for her benefit without really doing anything for him.

Edit:

Can these relationships really stay platonic?

Yes and no. Yes because you can be friends with a woman and neither of you can have sexual interest in each other. No because she still wants you to be sexually interested in her even if she doesn't really have an interest in you. I say this only going off what i've witnessed with friends and my own female friends over the years. They have no issue getting sexual when they want a bit more attention and when they feel bad about themselves. Doesn't matter if they have a boyfriend/husband or not.

[–]RedSunBlue 17 points18 points19 points 13 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link

I'll take the unpopular position here and say: It is entirely possible for men and women to be nearly pure platonic friends. I have a few that I enjoy hanging out with and that are attractive, yet for whatever reason they do not stir my boner nor I theirs. I do not supplicate to them nor I do not pat them on the head and say, "there, there" if they get P&D'd. I use my position as trusted friend and confidant as a sugar coating for the red pills that I slip them.

For all of the lotharios and aspiring playboys here, a woman ally is an incredibly useful asset. She provides you with social proof/pre-selection, she can talk up your sex interest at a group hangout, and she'll have an entire network of friends that you will have easy access to. I do the same for them. Everybody wins!

Finding these women that are a) not lesbians, b) not fugly, c) mutually non-sexually attractive, and d) wise to the game is the hard part.

EDIT: I am still in my late 20's and my close female friends haven't yet hit the wall...I do not know what will happen as we age.

[–]DerickBurton[S] 12 points13 points14 points 13 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree with your post but we all know how the majority of these kinds of relationships are nowadays. The poor sap orbiting the wilfully ignorant girl who is only too happy to accept his cringe inducing generosity, or 'utility'

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The poor sap orbiting the wilfully ignorant girl who is only too happy to accept his cringe inducing generosity, or 'utility'

The rule.

It is entirely possible for men and women to be nearly pure platonic friends. I have a few that I enjoy hanging out with and that are attractive, yet for whatever reason they do not stir my boner nor I theirs.

The exception.

[–]RedSunBlue 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. I can make guy friends fairly easily. Non-girlfriends: very, very rarely.

It usually happens when I meet an attractive girl and circumstances keep me in close proximity but prevent me from trying to bone her. Then for whatever reason I find something about her personality or her appearance just doesn't do it for me, but she's awesome to hang out with.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'd slightly disagree with you here on this one.

Having a female wing for you as a platonic friend doesn't give you preselection, if anything it's a handicap in my experience.

Better than this, would be having an "alpha" male who can handle his own shit as a wing, and the two of you giving each other a feedback loop of respect, as if the two of you own the place. Bouncing that feedback loop off your bros is probably the easiest and quickest way to spike your social standing in the short term.

And even better than this is having one girl in the 8+ range (higher the better) fawning over you, telling all her friends how hot she thinks you are, etc. This of course requires having social standing / looks / charm / aura to begin with, which is why having a feedback loop with your bros is so important. Not to mention that if you have an 8+ fawning over you, your goals for the night are already met. Approach her and seal that deal.

Having just a platonic female friend with you doesn't provide you with preselection, which comes from high value women that are sexually interested in you. Also this will cause other girls to think you're with her, thus making it more difficult for you to target, due to fewer IOIs being sent your way, etc. Unless you've instructed your hot platonic friend to flirt with you and throw herself at you, she might be little more than dead weight imo.

Not that this is a reason to not hang out with your female friends, or to not have female friends. Your points about networking are all spot on, but in the field, I dun think it's much help.

[–]RedSunBlue 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Having a female wing for you as a platonic friend doesn't give you preselection, if anything it's a handicap in my experience.

For me, it has only been positive. There have been several occasions where I would approach a girl only to have her react coldly. Same girl sees me greet my friend with a big hug, and suddenly she's asking questions about me. Perhaps it's the "oh, he's not a creepo with women" factor.

Unless you've instructed your hot platonic friend to flirt with you and throw herself at you, she might be little more than dead weight imo.

This is the ideal, I agree. I am touchy with my female friends but I haven't tried overtly feigning flirting. I shall test this out and report back, for science.

Also this will cause other girls to think you're with her, thus making it more difficult for you to target, due to fewer IOIs being sent your way, etc.

This has happened, but usually it was when I would be hanging out with a female friend 1 on 1. Or when my friend was hotter than the girls at the venue.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This has happened, but usually it was when I would be hanging out with a female friend 1 on 1. Or when my friend was hotter than the girls at the venue.

True, this is definitely the situation I'm talking about.

My experience in general has been mostly negative, but my sampling size with women wings is also pretty small I'll admit ~

Would be nice to see what kind of damage could be done with a woman who knows how preselection works and can provide you with it.

[–]AlwaysLateToThreads 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The hard part is why I have only one female friend.

[–]Bobsutan 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've had friends like this before. Drunken hookups still occurred, and when the wall approached they invariably settled for the beta dude nobody expected.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't see why you list

c) mutually non-sexually attractive

Friendzoning a girl into you is awesome as shit.

[–]RedSunBlue 12 points13 points14 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

A girl who is into you will not help you to hook up with other girls. She will, consciously or non, cockblock you at every opportunity.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She doesn't need to be in on it however.

[–]be_tru 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Little does she know she may be helping you out... little turns a girl on like seeing another crazy into you.

[–]Gobbledig00k 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If only they could only get rid of their solopsism and think about it from the man's perspectice... We can dream right?

[–]DerickBurton[S] 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I found this part in the article I linked to telling: just your everyday utility boy that’s a friend to fill in the gaps when you need him. The article they linked to is full of delusion.

[–]Gobbledig00k 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

http://www.thefrisky.com/2013-04-02/the-10-best-things-about-non-boyfriends-illustrated-in-gifs/

2, 4, and 6. Are you fucking kidding me?

[–]DerickBurton[S] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

haha It cracks me up reading it.

[–]themoor8 points 13 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Bluepill reads this then quietly thinks, NAWALT!!

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This one isn't the fault of women.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They are not innocent either.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Caveat Emptor.

[–]Schaftschwager 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Men and Women simply cannot be long term close friends. Phone, email, skype, computer friends, absolutely. There's much less room for sexual tension. The only female friends I have are on the internet, and I like it that way.

The only thing that can occur is an alpha-beta relationship where she controls you. That's the only way the relationship "progresses" or she's gone.

I never did fall for this, I was never any girls lackey, but I saw it often enough to recognize it for what it was, even at a very young age. It's that obvious.

[–]chikinpickle 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I never hang out with any of my female friends very often. Keeps things at a slight distance.

[–]Exactly_what_I_think 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

After finding /r/TheRedPill and /r/seduction.

I have certain expectations if I'm a not-boyfrind.

  1. She pays for her own shit.

  2. She is a "wing man".

  3. She is not a bitch.

[–]TommyTheTiger -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly - this can really be a win win relationship. If you're hanging out with your friend that's a girl it becomes SO easy to go talk to other groups of girls, especially if she's kind of hot.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol, "why having a eunuch to toy with is awesome"

Makes me wonder why women have brains at all when they use it to create shit like this.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I just don't get how guys can be friends with girls. Their interests just don't align with guys the majority of the time.

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm acquaintances with girls, but to me, friendship connotes something else.

[–]dreamingawake09 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Networking pretty much. They're useful for that, especially in media where its about who you know more than what you know.

[–]rkg-pua4 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I have to agree. Friendships with females have been mostly pointless in my life experiences besides of the occasional social proof they offer at a bar or club setting.

I get annoyed by the 'masculine' females who have hegemonically masculine interests - such as sports watching, hunting, fishing, etc - so I choose not to associate with those types.

Most girls, that I am interested in, are traditionally 'feminine'. These types enjoy shitty reality television, facebook, and gossip; which are things i am NOT interested in, but the quality of relationship I have with these girls is always higher. You be the girl, Ill be the guy.

I am not your 'friend' and I never will be. Being a "best friend" with your sexual partner is one of the stupidest things any man can do.

[–]gnimsh 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I enjoyed the link at the bottom where the same site criticized a 10 year old for failing to cut her bangs properly. How can women complain about the male gaze and then criticize a 10 year old girl for how she tried to cut her hair?

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