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Men, Stop Being Assholes...Analyze

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March 20, 2013
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Title Men, Stop Being Assholes...Analyze
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Upvotes 18
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Date March 20, 2013 3:29 PM UTC
(13 years ago)
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[–]ihavespellingproblem 26 points27 points28 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Looks like fish giving advise to fishermen.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed. Never take advice from a woman. She's saying one thing, but I can guarantee you she's behaving differently. Follow their actions not their words.

[–]Endorsed Contributor30303030303030 27 points28 points29 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In seemingly the last 50-60 years, men have turned from seat-relinquishing, door-opening, respectful gentlemen to resentful, disrespectful, misogynistic assholes.

good thing women didn't change at all...

I'm not reading past this, fuck that.

[–]TRP Vanguardlegendofpasta 20 points21 points22 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha complaining about symptoms, ignoring the infection

[–]FascistComicBookHero 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Respectful? Gentlemanly? Those are just patronizing, misogynistic manifestations of the old repressive patriarchal system. Actually, I'm all for being a gentleman, but mouthy, wise-cracking, back-talking brats should always be treated appropriately.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Boys, where the hell did you ever get the idea that women would react well to being insulted and put down?

real life, the fact that every time I act like a dick I attract girls, hearing other men say the same thing worked for them... but ok lets see how you'll prove this wrong

...many women seem to be drawn to assholes

....

This whole article is about what the writer wants out of men and not what is best for men. It boils down to wanting a beta with a few alpha qualities that she can control..

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

At some point you have to realize they are all basically the same

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup yup yup ~

Guy A: "Oh you don't want to have sex tonight? Ok that's fine! Don't worry I prefer to wait for sex myself because I don't want you to get the wrong idea about me!"

Guy B: "STFU and get on your knees, save the talking for when I'm through with you."

Which one got laid? Hmmmm and what does this tell us about women?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems like an easy fix, doesn't it?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So read this article after clicking a few motivational links, and thought it belonged here. A quick quote (be sure to read the whole thing, and not just shit on this single snippet):

"as women started to become more openly sexual, men started to become less respectful and it’s been downhill from there."

It's as if she was able to admit that there's been a sexual revolution/promiscuity for women, but says that it's unfair for men to stop being respectful. To me, it makes complete sense. If more women are willing to 'lower their standards' for fun in their 20s, then why should you expect a man to keep his high standards. Market value dictates that now men don't even have to put in the effort to get the same result.

For me, I'm putting even more effort into myself for my own SMV and personal drive, but reading this makes me go 'Da Fuk?' She's linked all the reasons why we've begun to, or always have been, the way men are, but doesn't understand the last step of seeing her own misunderstanding.

Comments damn welcome.

[–]TRP Vanguardtheubercuber 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Great find! Interesting analysis on the double standard. She even follows that up with

being a dick is perhaps the biggest turnoff to any girl worth a damn

No true scotsman I guess

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it was weird, as if she had connected almost all the dots, and then forgot the last one for the reasoning of why we don't act like how she wants (she probably has noticed/recognized the wall, and is preparing herself by writing this article, self-affirmation...possibly)

[–]roe_ 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In seemingly the last 50-60 years, men have turned from seat-relinquishing, door-opening, respectful gentlemen to resentful, disrespectful, misogynistic assholes.

If what you’re after is a cheap, easy, gutter-pig who’s name you won’t remember next week, then by all means, continue your dirtbag’n ways.

I guess only men are obligated to treat women with respect.

Speaking for my gender, I’m truly sorry if some gold-digging, unappreciative girl left you feeling like a neutered pup… But you can’t let one, or two, or five shitty experiences put you off.

Someone should link her to "Confessions of an Incel"...

My take on the whole piece is that she's not reacting to game, she's reacting to poorly practised bad game. She's a pageant winner, so she's obviously got an extremely high "water-mark" for alpha, and sees poor congruence and frame-control easily. That's what she's complaining about.

Her calls for more "gentlemanly" "chivalrous" conduct from men is boilerplate feminine imperative-type betaization.

The paragraph where she talks about confidence is absolutely true, but she doesn't provide any operational advice to men who lack confidence, except "be Don Draper."

[–]quiet_wish 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There is very little you can do to control whether or not a woman is physically attracted to you.

Oh, sweetheart... If you only knew...

[–]QuietlyLearning 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She heard the truth, she just denies it. She acknowledges pickup in the article. She also attempts to make the culture sound full of low standard men by discounting what women they pick up.

This is a case of cognitive dissonance common in modern women. They say they want one thing but respond to another. Then they reject the reality to make themselves feel better.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And LMFAO at the top comments telling it straight to this chick:

I find it horrifying that women can live is such cognitive dissonance with what they claim they want (this article) and who they end up sleeping with over and over again. There wouldn't be "assholes" if it wasn't an effective strategy for attracting women.

LOL!

You should be required to read this before you continue to play the role of a fish trying to tell the fisherman how to catch it.: http://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/

ROCKIN IT!

[–]TRP Vanguardtheubercuber 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I was surprised those were the only comments up there. Then again, I think as a model most of her following may be guys that just are attracted to her. So she doesn't have quite as captive an audience.

[–]Endorsed Contributor30303030303030 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/

good read, painful but should be mandatory for every single young man

[–]Ommin 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

With all this excitement lately about Roosh's post about Torontonian women, I found it interesting that this course existed:

I heard about a course in Toronto that was designed for men to learn about picking up women by being assholes.

Pretty much vindicating everything he said; if the pick up course in Toronto is so much about being an asshole, to overcome those kinds of women.

[–]Ommin 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Couple people so far not liking this, however...

  • She uses facts and logic to come to the conclusion that women are partly to blame (most women won't admit to this at all)

  • She says if you want ONS and easy women, keep being a dick, it works.

  • She says you can't let a few bad experiences sour you. I think that's something not talked about enough here; it's how I came here, and it takes a lot of effort to not outright hate women after how some of us have been treated.

  • She isn't saying "be nice", in fact she says that's just as bad as being an asshole and that won't work either (so no "where have all the good men gone" here)

  • She espouses Confidence as the one thing that matters, which I think we all agree on. In fact her statement below reminds me of James Bond, who one of our bloggers mentioned as a pretty good Alpha Male, for just these traits.

    He knows when to talk and when to shut up. He knows the importance of being well-mannered at all times — except when he’s forced to defend his woman’s honor. He’s never needy or insecure and he never kisses and tells. That’s a real man (even if he is fictional).

One of the favorite past-times here is to look up the blogger and see how ugly that feminist hoe is. So be my guest: https://www.google.ca/search?q=Alice+Panikian&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=CW2&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=rcs&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=O-JJUdafEIX6iwKn8IG4AQ&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=719

Alice Panikian is a supermodel with a brain, using logic, giving options to be either a PUA or a guy looking for a real woman for a LTR. If we still hate on someone like that, I don't think any women would ever be good enough and then wtf is the point.

[–]ospurt 13 points14 points15 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As a model and former Miss Canada she is by social proof a 9~10 so she can have those standards in men, until she can't (declining SMV), or doesn't want to (hamster).

The problem is, this is a woman with current, or past high value empowering the average to keep inflating their SMV.

Just like a man with options, a 10 has options, for a while. In the end the beta fishing with special and specific bait espoused by this snowflake will be poorer than the alpha who is running drag nets in the waters.

No doubt she gotten tangled in the nets before.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

i agree. she isn't telling guys to be a beta or a doormat. i think that "gentleman" implies alpha-type behavior and mindset, and i think she's really espousing the truth that inner game is more important when it comes to attaining the highest quality women. being an asshole player will certainly get you laid with hot but low-quality, non-LTR women, but the label could prevent you from attaining good LTR material if you want that at one point. besides, i've noticed that being a teasing but classy and respectful guy while maintaining an alpha-type mindset is somewhat of a novelty now that classic PUA has become common and exposed. negging is too popular because its easy, and women have taken notice.

[–]Ebon_Cobra 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She's a supermodel, therefore nothing she says can have value. Her view of reality is insanely warped.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In this context, yes, I agree. When you're that high up the SMV you're definitely going to be seeing a different field. Additionally, if you're a man, never take advice from a woman regarding women (among other things). Her warped view only cements the necessity of avoiding her advice.

[–]Ebon_Cobra 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely agreed. I find...almost horrifying that a creature can exist in such EXTREME cognitive dissonance with what they go around preaching (like this article) and who they actually end up fucking at night.

I garauntee you she not going home with Joe Beta who opened all her doors and exchanged drinks for opportunity of gentlemanly conversation

[–]TheIslander829 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

But if you want a hoe — which many guys do, including a few that write for Elite Daily (you didn’t think I’d neglect to mention them did you?). Then by all means, continue being a douche bag.

I want the hoe. "Quality girls" don't know how to fuck properly. I've never met ONE "good girl" that was good at sex.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You have to make them good at sex. Bro you can train the good girls ;)

[–]TheIslander829 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I know, I know... It just takes too damn long. By the time you've got them fully trained you're too invested to not give a fuck if you lose her. Some beta behaviors might creep through and hypergamy still kicks into full gear. Hypergamy doesn't care...

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough. You always have to stay sharp. Helps to consider other plates

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hypergamy is starting to sound like Honey Badger.....Hypergamy doesn't care. Love it.

[–]TheIslander829 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Rollo has a post on it.

http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/05/16/hypergamy-doesnt-care/

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's no content here. It's just an attempt to shame men into doing what's good for her, instead of what's good for them.

There's nothing to analyze.

It's a fish telling the fisherman to dump the bait bucket in the water and walk away.

[–]AbraxianAeon 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, the golden rule for me is: never insult or criticize harshly a female's looks. You can insult her intelligence, however, but do so in a jokey way.

For example: if she says something about not looking attractive, tell her she is. If she says something like "God I must be stupid" say something like "do you really want me to answer that?"

[–]SequencingLife -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop being an asshole? No way. It's too fun, besides women ironically flock to me for my attention and then I treat like shit some more.

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