[Q4RP] [META] Accomplished red pillers, meta question about attachment mechanisms, coolidge effect and RP\BP meta.

playingwithfyre · 2016-07-17T22:34:02+00:00

I'm not really sure what you're asking (long post is long with enough acronyms to qualify as military).

I have an N count over 65, many married women, have been married myself, in the swinger lifestyle for years.

I will say this about RP. Their primative strategies work on "disordered" women, as you call them. Alpha women or married women won't give a fuck about these weak men playing "alpha" unless you are really attractive.

Attractiveness is like the Force, with enough of it you can bend the rules of reality. Without it you are fighting for every little victory.

Nearly all of the women I have come across who are seriously kinky have suffered from childhood or pre-teen sexual abuse. Yes, it's only anecdotal, but it's about 7 different women that I know personally over several decades.

If a red pill guy came across these women in the wild there would be great exaltation and many field reports written praising RP methodology ("it totally works!"). The reality is that if you get to know these women as people you see that their abusive history has fundamentally altered their personalities. Their sexual needs are quite a ways outside the mainstream as a result of what they have been through.

A RP guy would attribute this to his strong dick game and ability to hold frame, but that's not it at all. Abuse in the history alters the paradigm forever. Unless you are able to recognize it and see it for what it is, it's easy to mistake it for "she's a freak for my D! Insatiable!"

Have no idea of this is what OP was asking. Wish he would summarize concisely in bullet points.

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Sepean · 2016-07-17T19:07:34+00:00

I don't think you understand the vanilla plate spinning TRP approach. It is meant to only attract girls who will settle for all alpha and little to no beta because they can be spun as plates with minimal effort. Once they begin asking for beta, they get ignored for a while and if they don't get the message they're nexted.

TRP recognizes that women have a dual sexual strategy, and women who are also looking for beta have to be approached differently. If you go on /r/marriedredpill we are fully cognizant that you need a balance of alpha and beta to have a stable relationship.

despisedlove2 · 2016-07-17T19:13:39+00:00

TRP is much bigger than just PUA.

hyperrreal · 2016-07-17T21:42:56+00:00

This post is more appropriate for /r/TheRedPill

Archwinger · 2016-07-17T21:57:05+00:00

In fact, what is bluepill would be heavily diluted RP truths. And example of this would be women who stay in relationships with men with lower SMV than them. A BP woman may have small urges to abandon their family and find that alpha, but decides that it isn't worth it. She slugs it out and tries to find a compromise, she is capable of seeing gray.

This is, essentially, women in the majority of modern marriages. Most women don't get bored, abandon their husbands and children, and go jump off with a hot-bodied boyfriend. While they may no longer sexually desire their husbands and find themselves frustrated with their non-masculine way of behaving, they've been taught to believe that sexual attraction cooling off is normal in marriage. And on a purely intellectual level, even though a wife is constantly aggravated with her husband, she recognizes that the poor sop loves her and does a lot for her and the family. So she stays with him and has once a month duty sex and nags and bitches at him, and once every couple of weeks, goes out with her girlfriends and drinks too many cosmos and they all talk shit about their husbands.

BP then would signify women with healthy attachment mechanisms, and RP women with damaged attachment mechanisms.

There are arguments for and against whether settling and "compromise" and sticking it out in a low-sex marriage with a man you don't respect count as healthy attachment mechanisms.

I think a high degree of TRP men are probably uNPD or uASPD.

Obviously. Men who have normal social skills and grew up with a lot of friends/girlfriends don't need strategies for talking to women.

TBP then are mentally healthy women speaking covertly and men taking it literally. Guys who "don't get it" and women who don't realize they are sending coded messages to guys who can't decode them. These women don't realize they're speaking to men that "don't get it" because they are, as RP says, invisible to them in real life. These guys don't actually exist.

This is a very astute observation. Here on the internet, many blue pill people will say, "OF COURSE a woman isn't going to outright say X. Can't you autistic weirdos read between the lines or understand basic body language? Shit, get a real book instead of the 48 laws of power."

TRP then is all the messages decoded in TBP and AMPLIFIED to align with their experiences as a personality disordered man, with personality disordered women.

I wouldn't go that far. Many Red Pill men have lived their lives never "getting it", but most haven't been used and abused by shitty women. A lot of normal-ish guys grew up, had normal-ish relationships with girls in high school and college and early adulthood, and they were too nice, too clingy, not sexual enough, kinda plain and boring, and ended up failing at all of their relationships. Around marriage age, a lot of these guys ended up married to normal-ish women, and 3-7 years later, the normal-ish women won't fuck them and constantly disrespect them.

These guys weren't abused by bad women. They just aren't masculine, because due to their poor social skills, they never really bonded with dudes and did guy stuff, never grew up watching their dad do man shit and talking to their friends' dads, and never really started emulating manly behavior. The behaviors that they do undertake just aren't attractive to women. They can trick a girl for a little bit, but eventually, the girl isn't into them.

If my feelings are correct, there is no TRP or TBP, but instead a continuum of TRP, with 80% of the population matching the "traits or mannerisms" described and roughly 20% of them being "trp truth."

TRP constantly advocates that The Red Pill is the "truth", and blue pill people are often unconsciously red pill. TBP often notes that various red pill "truths" are obvious, and that numerous red pill ideas are just fine -- it's all the woman-hating misogyny that they take issue with.

Title	[Q4RP] [META] Accomplished red pillers, meta question about attachment mechanisms, coolidge effect and RP\BP meta.
Author	playingwithfyre
Upvotes	4
Comments	31
Date	July 17, 2016 6:34 PM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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