Are women really that dense to fall for these "hold your frame" strategies?

[deleted] · 2014-04-01T10:20:30+00:00

In general if you ever ask "are people really dense enough to fall for..." the answer is usually yeah, somebody is.

sh1v · 2014-04-01T09:43:42+00:00

Wow, this was a pretty low effort OP. you didn't even define "hold frame" properly. Negging and defusing a shit test are two different things.

zenaggression · 2014-04-01T07:41:26+00:00

Yes. Btw, frame isn't negging.

[deleted] · 2014-04-02T00:38:38+00:00

As far as I can tell, "holding frame" basically seems like simply remaining confident in the face of any situation which pops up. And women always say confidence is a turn on...

goatismycopilot · 2014-04-01T12:48:15+00:00

I guess I see "hold your frame" a different way and it is entirely possible I am also viewing it incorrectly. I see it as being non reactive and maintaining emotional equilibrium. I use it quite a bit at work, I am a shift supervisor at a hospital and I frequently deal with volatile situations.

IIHotelYorba · 2014-04-01T18:12:58+00:00

Frame is NLP shorthand for point of view. So holding your frame means to stand by your own point of view- typically of yourself as a worthwhile person, even though people may be skeptical and unfriendly to you.

Do women really fall for this negging, I'm too cool for thee, I'm too busy for you, I have a full schedule, bitches lined up round the block, your dispensible effected attitude that TRP advocates?

People aren't going to like this but yeah they totally do. Literally all those old routines "work." Without viewing yourself as a worthwhile person though, the 10-15 seconds of attraction negging and other button pushes get you will be pretty much all you'll get.

[deleted] · 2014-04-01T07:06:06+00:00

You can't fake anything. Yes, a man who knows how to make himself busy and operates on his own time will be more attractive than one who lazes around

[deleted] · 2014-04-01T17:05:13+00:00

People are dumb. Not just women, but people in general are fantastically prone to manipulation.

PublicallyViewable · 2014-04-01T21:23:00+00:00

It depends on how it's done. If you're trying to be manipulative and deceptive, using negging to lower their self confidence, she's going to see right through it and you're going to look like a creep.

But you can neg, hold frame, and treat them like they're despensible without being a creepy dickhead about it. If you're playful about it all, and your intentions aren't to trick them into sleeping with you, but rather to just have a good time, then it will work out better.

For example, something I said that could be considered a "neg" worked well yesterday, because I wasn't trying to make her feel like shit.

Me: ...Well I'm not like normal people

Well neither am I

Yeah, that's what they all say

Well I have it on good authority that I'm not

That's cool, but don't expect me to just take your word on it. :p

I wasn't TRYING to neg her, I was just being playful, but saying what I did implied that she was 'just like everyone else', which would be an insult. If I had said something like "You're nice, but you act just like everyone else", I'd come off as a dick, and it might be obvious what I was trying to do because it didn't flow naturally with the conversation.

So the point is there are two different ways of being "deceptive" to get sex from a girl that are nearly polar opposites. One is when you really only care about yourself, and you're trying to use a formula to trick her into sleeping with her. You treat her like she's "dispensable" because if she's not giving you sex, then you will just go somewhere else for sex. The deception is that you want them to be "yours", and you're changing your personality, using pickup lines, or formulated methods of interaction. It's like you're in a boxing match with her, trying to fight your way into her submission to you.

The other can be equally deceptive, but the difference is you care about them. You have confidence, you treat them like they're "dispensable", because that's how you'd treat anybody who you weren't romantically/sexually attracted to. If a male weren't friendly to you, you'd simply not hang around him because there are plenty of other guys to be friends with, and if he doesn't want to be your friend then you don't want to force him to. You're not going to change your personality just to make that one dude interested in you, so you shouldn't do that for a girl. The deception is that you are more attracted to them, and less confident than you let on. This doesn't change your core personality. You're still the same person, you have the same values, you just try to be the best version of you that you can be, and try not to come on too strong. It's like you're dancing with her, mutually feeling her out, figuring out when you're both comfortable to dance more closely, and just enjoying the music.

MissCherryPi · 2014-04-02T15:59:14+00:00

women are just playing along these games because they like drama too much and like the dick anyway so they let men get the satisfaction of being apologized to and being chased after.

DING DING DING. We have a winner!

W-Z-R · 2014-04-02T17:22:37+00:00

To be honest

I would say the whole negging badboy thing and holding your frame are different things; holding your frame is remaining focused on your own success and life, you could be very nice and courteous to women and still hold your frame perfectly, you could also be rude and cocky but constantly lose frame.

zenaggression · 2014-04-01T08:40:04+00:00

i've read a method involves apologizing to the girl so she'll let you sleep with her? something liek that

everyone falls for negging, you could all learn the pickup game and do whatever you wanted to those who are ignorant of the process.

That's the truth, I swear it. I learned about pickup game from a very nice young lady who I spent some time with. Any of you can do whatever the red team does, and they know it. Brains aren't all that different.

On the other hand, the methods might be a little different, IDK, i'm a dude, and also I find lying icky, so I don't actually use anything I've ever learned.

One neg I know is to use a flame to burn the mouth of a pot pipe before using it after taking it from someone you've recently 'pulled in' with smiles and conversation, to 'push them away' again and thereby build emotional attachment. It says, ew, i think you have a disease, in sorta a cruel way, one might be led to think. Maybe just me.

I don't neg. Negging is only for joke time, like when I posted my picture. When it's obviously a funny joke and not intended to imply one has herpes, or make that person 'lose face' for manipulative reasons. On the other hand, I do it constantly because I trust myself to be myself, and that has the same effect. It's the 'natural' thing pickup artists talk about.

All that said, many who use the technology justify brainwashing others by avoiding the 'cruel' methods, or outright not negging at all. I think anyone smart enough NOT to neg you is truly being respectful, and they'll be hard to hold onto unless you really show you can do the same, be a challenging mental partner but not a cruel one. That's the best kind of friend, I think everyone should seek those kinds of friends. I do.

rulenumber303 · 2014-04-01T07:37:53+00:00

Maybe those strategies work if you're Mick Jagger and she's a supermodel. Or if both of you are a little drunk and the beer goggles are telling you you're Mick Jagger and telling her she's a supermodel.

Edited to add: The "be busy" strategy works for anyone when it comes to making timewasters smarten up or piss off though, both men and women.

Edited again: The "be busy" strategy can be pretty good for at work too. Idleness invites assholery.

Title	Are women really that dense to fall for these "hold your frame" strategies?
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Date	April 1, 2014 7:00 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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