Women need men. Society has done a damn good job convincing everyone of the opposite

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January 3, 2020

I feel that the points I’m going to be outlining are already common sense to a lot of you. But since I’ve only recently come to this realization myself I feel I should share my thoughts regardless.

The “independent” woman: Ahh. Yes. Everywhere we go this idea of the “independent woman” is hammered into our heads. The career woman. Climbing the corporate ladder. Working on her education. All while “taking care” (feeding and not much else) her chad spawns from her youth. She is in fact, quite the opposite internally, however. She’s dependent on many, many things. She’s financially independent and that’s pretty much it. See but women, as we all know, are all still mostly children from an emotional standpoint. You take any “strong, independent” woman and I guarantee you she is dependent on many things. She clings to her friends for emotional support and validation constantly. She needs her weekly brunches with her girlfriends desperately. Women with strong partners typically take the alpha role amongst their friends. She’s fine if they come over but if they all left her, she couldn’t care less. She still has “her man.” I’ve seen this a lot with girls I’ve dated. When I’m dating a girl she typically has many friends around her that adore her and respect her. In fact, she often only uses her friends for validation. She loves to show off her man and talk about her man. And her friends know their place. Women with strong male partners bring vasts amounts of value to their friendships and her friends know they offer less value and thus treat her better. Women without strong male partners tend to have chaotic clingy friendships, which I’ve found to be the case when I leave them. They’re constantly fighting with their friends and the “value pendulum” in her friendships is constantly swinging. I could list a million other things the “strong, independent” woman is dependent on. But that’s the main one. She clings to friends to attempt to fill the void that only an alpha male partner could ever fill. Women tend to have 2 friend groups these days, I’ve noticed. One for when she’s with an alpha male and another for when she’s single or with a beta. Of course another thing the “strong, independent” woman is dependent on is sex from SMV men. Why do all career women seem to be tearing it up at the club every weekend?

Men need sex That’s all really. And when I say men, I’m of course referring to red pill men who have their shit together. We’re emotionally self-reliant completely. That’s how men are supposed to be. That’s the ideal anyways. We don’t need our friends, we don’t need our mothers, we don’t need a girl. We’re fine exactly as we are. Anybody is welcome to come into the kingdom of our lives but they must obey the law or risk exile. Besides sex, we also have a biological desire to care-take. It’s ingrained in us to try to find a girl who can rely on us and who we can take care of. Emotionally, financially, etc. much in the same way women have a biological instinct to want to have children to look after, men have a biological instinct to want a woman to look after. It makes us feel strong and powerful. Always remember; Men can love a woman unconditionally. Woman can love their children unconditionally. That’s it.

So in conclusion; A man’s commitment is far more powerful than a woman’s sex. Given the man is high value and has his shit together. It’s great that women have the option to climb to be financially independent in this day-and-age. But make no mistake; you can’t undo millions of years of evolution. For a vast majority of human history, women were entirely dependent on men. Our species was successful because of this. Women needed men for protection, food, emotional stability, etc. Men needed sex from these women. The transaction was a no-brainer.

Look for signs and you will see it; Blue pill society has done an amazing job convincing everyone of the opposite; that a woman’s commitment is valuable while a man’s sex is valuable. And society is crumbling because of it.

So for those still hoping for successful LTRs there is still hope; unicorns do exist. As long as you are a strong alpha, any girl with a strong alpha father will be a unicorn for you. Problem is, most women today are growing up with beta fathers or without fathers all together.

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Title Women need men. Society has done a damn good job convincing everyone of the opposite
Author KetogenicKraig
Upvotes 706
Comments 92
Date 03 January 2020 04:53 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]TrumpOrTreason120 points121 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women need men.

Men need to be needed.

( Our church pastor preached this in the 80’s)

[–]Kurokaffe26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

People need socialization. If we’re going to frame this in a man vs woman type of way, I’d wager my bet that your post summarizes this in the most simple way.

But I think it’s more complex. Different men need different things. Different women need different things.

The country you’re born in and the society you participate in will create the landscape and environment you must navigate. I wouldn’t bring a canoe to a desert and I wouldn’t wear layers and layers of clothing to protect myself from the sun in a forested river.

The type of validation you need will determine what you seek, and what you seek will color the validation you chase. They each play on the other. For example, some_dude discovers TRP and now he’s chasing different goals and different women, and the things that once made him feel confident and good about himself no longer do.

I agree with OP that the message sent to women — “you don’t need a man/anyone” — is incorrect and not helpful to send to them. People confuse financial independence (which women can achieve) with absolute independence. I don’t think that’s really possible. Even if someone were to be the most stoic and immovable person ever, they still exist in a society and from a practical standpoint need to participate with others. At some point or level, you can never be truly independent. Most TRP males will probably benefit from being outcome independent and focusing on your mission/goals, but being outcome independent does not mean that the person does not need anyone or anything.

Men as a whole are probably more outcome independent, and it is easier for most men to train themselves to become such. I’d say this is quality is much harder for most women to learn.

AWALT is still applicable imo. It’s just more nuisanced. Looking at actions or concepts with a magnifying glass versus a microscope will provide a different picture of the same thing.

[–]EffigyDijjih123 points124 points  (17 children) | Copy

Sounds more like women need validation, not specifically men. Men, strong men, are just the vehicle that drives that validation. Much like a shiny bag, a cute puppy or just about anything else commoditized.

[–]KetogenicKraig[S] 50 points51 points  (10 children) | Copy

You could see it that way I guess. But remember; they don’t want validation from the man they’re with. They want validation for being with the man they’re with.

The women I’m with always tend to bring their girlfriends around me to show off and are constantly trying to be out with me in public. And I’ll admit that definitely makes me feel validated as well. Win-win

Still though. Nothing can validate a woman’s existence more than catching a high value male. So I would still argue that women need men specifically.

[–]EffigyDijjih23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can't imagine a woman's solipsistic nature placing a man's social validation over her own, so I think that's more of a positive side effect, than it is the desired result. They want validation from the most valuable, or more specifically what they deemed the most valuable object in their setting.

A 10/10 gives a girl more validation than an 8. And, like that her social circle will typically give her more validation than a single man, unless she values her man deeper than she does her social circle.

If all the girls in her circle have 7s, she's hot shit when she brings back a 9. The 9's obviously gonna get some validation in that environment, be it AMOG or status, he's still getting his share of it too. That being said, she didn't bring him home to her friends because she wants to make him feel good, she did it to validate her decision in letting him fuck her. Validate her status in the group, validate her sexual market value and ultimately her relationship market value.

She's bringing him back to make sure she's betting on the right horse.

[–]jojojijo3338 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

they don’t want validation from the man they’re with. They want validation for being with the man they’re with

They want both. Beta males are also used for validation. Try ignoring an HB10 in your social circle and watch how she goes crazy

[–]98herbsandspices5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy


havent been here in a while, what is that

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[–]OSaraiva2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Having a great man is a great way to validate yourself. Hence showing you to her girl friends.

[–]MilkMoney1110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They most definitely want validation from men. They bring men around their girlfriends to show them “hey, look I can get a man to commit to me.”

Remember men value sex and are the gatekeepers or commitment. Women value commitment and are the gatekeepers of sex. It’s simply a way of flexing to their social circle or social media or whatever the fuck

[–]UnbreakableButts0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. Current gf couldn't wait to show me off to friends

[–]Luckyluke235 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

so they are commoditising men?

[–]Standgrounding1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. Especially where(when?) validation is also a commodity

[–]1swampbastard696 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

No they need a man - they have no clue what to do - they need a man to tell them what to do. Of course they want validation but they need someone to look over them.

[–]EffigyDijjih17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

Society and the Government can easily take the place of a man, and in many cases society does just that. Society tells women to put off marriage, go for a degree and net a fancy career and only them can a family be thought of. The Government makes sure they're kept for when things all fail around them. Most functions a man would like to think he fulfills in a woman's life, these structures does in spades.

Society tells a woman, "it's all good fuck that dude raw, you're strong and can do whatever you like."

The law makes sure when she inevitably gets pregnant she'll have 18 years of paychecks coming in.

One of the last remaining functions a man can provide a woman, that can't be done by herself or by other factors, is being valuable and validating. Even then society at large is so willing to back up a woman's self delusions, that even that's not entirely true. (Ie. Beauty at any weight) Women aren't gonna get mauled by bears, they're not gonna be left unprovided for, they can fuck themselves or even buy machines to do it for them.

That's all fine and all, it's just the reality of the situation. As far as I can tell.

[–]Nicolas06310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's true, but I'd say that everybody see the difference between a woman that fuck around (why not), a single woman with children (a poor soul that everybody avoid except a few delusionned betas) or a woman wih a strong man (she get most of the validation).

[–]YOLO-Bear2037 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men need sex That’s all really. And when I say men, I’m of course referring to red pill men who have their shit together. We’re emotionally self-reliant completely. That’s how men are supposed to be. That’s the ideal anyways. We don’t need our friends, we don’t need our mothers, we don’t need a girl. We’re fine exactly as we are. Anybody is welcome to come into the kingdom of our lives but they must obey the law or risk exile. Besides sex, we also have a biological desire to care-take. It’s ingrained in us to try to find a girl who can rely on us and who we can take care of. Emotionally, financially, etc. much in the same way women have a biological instinct to want to have children to look after, men have a biological instinct to want a woman to look after. It makes us feel strong and powerful. Always remember; Men can love a woman unconditionally. Woman can love their children unconditionally. That’s it.

Golden. You nailed it.

[–]Joey_Lopez121 points122 points  (9 children) | Copy

I'm really tired of hearing people talk about independent women and the "future is female".

I have seen that most women aren't capable of shit and they are dependent on men for everything.

In college they always put the girls into groups with men so the men can do the work for them and then give them a grade for our (mens) work. I remember when I started getting into the serious science classes they start to assign groups. It was always one or 2 smart guys with a couple of bird brain chicks. The girls would mostly just joke while we did the work for them. Some girls would try to pretend to contribute by bossing us around and pretending to be in charge. Now these girls are 'educated'.

I remember when I was a paramedic we had a few females working and they were always sticking their chest out because they were doing a man's job. In reality we were expected to protect them when shit got heated. The second a patient begins to get loud the all become lady like and look to us to put our lives on the line to protect them.

Then when is came time to lift heavy patients we were again expected to be the ones doing the lifting. When it came time to lift the girls would just disappear and run off to prep the truck to leave us to do the real work.

Then they want to talk about equality and the "pay gap". Fuck that if we are doing the lifting and are expected to protect them then we should be getting paid more. How nice it is for them to get paid like a paramedic but not have to do the dangerous parts of the job. She's not giving me no pussy and she isn't my mom or sister so why am I expected to risk my life and back but she isn't?. All because we want to pretend like they are capable and equal to us.

Then I always noticed when they talked to me about their lives, they were always living above their means somehow. They had apartments and cars that they really shouldn't be able to afford. They were never working all the overtime that we were. They always have some man supplementing their income. Yet these women are strong and independent.

[–]darkpiecez29 points30 points  (3 children) | Copy

Sounds like a strong independent woman to me. Most woman would just cry and tell all her girlfriends and/or supervisor how stressed she is at work. So while you do the work she gets to complain about not doing the work. That piece of paper called 'education' just says that she's an excellent leech. It's equal because f*k you.

In all seriousness, yeah working with woman is a pain. What makes matters worse is that they drag others into their problems which makes the project even harder. Not only do they now get paid more than you but, they also find a way to make your life even harder while reaping the benefits of a woman.

We at least know women's nature and try to mitigate it.

[–]Joey_Lopez15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol yeah I guess you're right, at least they don't break down from the stress.

Working with females was cool at first because a lot them were sluts and we used shoot our shots and sometimes able to fuck. A lot of guys like to prove how manly they are by doing those things to impress the females.

But now we have this whole #MeToo which just makes it too much of a risk. Once sex was off the table that's when I began to notice how unfair it was to us.

[–]Nicolas06315 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

To be honest I have women in my job, not many (15% ?). My job is not physical through but intellectual.

Some women are like you describe, but it is not unniversal. Some women are bright at work, work a lot, help other and have their shit together. Some are helpless and as you described or worse.

But actually men are like that too at work. Some men work a lot and well and understand everything and are able to do anything that would come at them. Some are lost, some are overconfident but clueless and do many mystake. But many are also clueless, overconfident taking the wrong decisions or even completely lost.

From experience, yes there far less women there, but that taken into account, once somebody is in there, there no much difference between sex for efficiancy.

[–]askmrcia2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yea he doesn't mean every single woman acts the same, more than enough to where it's a problem. My current ltr is a paramedic so I took no offense to what that guy said.

She is also a personal trainer and pretty strong for a woman so she does her hair share of lifting heavy ass patients. But yea I don't expect her to the more dangerous parts of the job.

The job I work at now, the women actually do their job. But it's a very small company so the CEO did a great job in hiring. But I have definitely seen my fair share of lazy women at work. At worse they blame their pregnancy on why they could not do anything.

Also women more then men tend to blame their working problems on others and not themselves

[–]yomo861 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I guess this is why the paygap is not being demolished by law. When men get paid the same for the same work, who will do the heavy lifting? It's the unspoken understanding of the employment world.

[–]Korrangar1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The paygap is a huge lie, it is atmost 3 percent

[–]Joey_Lopez0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We get paid the same and we still have to do all the heavy lifting and protect them.

[–]_jamesashton0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You seem to be generalizing, dude. Do you know only women who pull this kind of shit? Of course there are people that are dependent on others/ let others do the work but from my own experience it always depends on the person and not their gender. I know a lot of women who let other people work for them but yet I know a lot of men who do so, too.

[–]Joey_Lopez0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No this is really how my old job works.

[–]throwlaca38 points39 points  (0 children) | Copy

When you hear in the news about "strong and independent" women, and how the future is female, you have to read it in this way:

Women are weak. Women need men. The future is male, like always, and made by men. Media and marketing tells you exactly how they want things to be, but aren't.

[–]ProFriendZoner10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

So for those still hoping for successful LTRs there is still hope

Mickey and Minnie have been dating since 1928 and he still hasn't popped the question, so yea, there is always hope.

[–]wine_vs_milk17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Title and first paragraphs are what most of the commenters are taking away, so that's good.

And when I say men, I’m of course referring to red pill men who have their shit together. We’re emotionally self-reliant completely. That’s how men are supposed to be. That’s the ideal anyways. We don’t need our friends, we don’t need our mothers, we don’t need a girl.

Oof. No man is an island. I think what you mean to say is that men should not be seeking emotional support from women, and I can agree with that. But what social isolation (e.g. solitary confinement) does to men proves that men need more social contact than just themselves.

The message "you don't need your friends" is awfully close to "don't worry about alienating everyone, you don't need them anyway", which is bad advice. We have to choose our words carefully.

[–]uwey4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women need man’s time.

Worst a man can do to women, is to give zero fuck about his time or money.

Destruction of labor is to keep you busy so you would not think for yourself. Why a busy soul have time?

Find a way to extract your time and make sure spend no time on things that don’t bring you value. You will see who is your true enemy.

“The essential act of war is destruction, not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labour. War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent.”

To have a totalitarian, oligarch states, first you need a docile majority (2/3) population, and you need to vote to submission for weaponry (prevention to refuse for tax) and now states can extract everyone through two tier system. Everything will be crypto currency, the high life will use no cash but digital currency control by states, and black market real cash will reserve for anyone who can’t be in high end society. Hence reengineering of neo feudalism. The ultimate absolute caste system based on your alliance to the vote. Vote will be symbolic as people will have no will nor force to ever, fight back.

First they need get rid of rebellious man. Vote while you can, keep your gun while you can. Fear-monger for gun is really to ask you to fuck yourself.

Main reason? If everyone have gun, and you under table and don’t have electronic payrolls, there is no way to suck money or productions because women are monopoly for these, they need everyone to support it. How dare you not in the system and you should not be able to even kill yourself for it.

Imagine everyone fight to death when they get charged 40% tax. There are not enough people to support the whole system. Think about why kill all your subjects are stupid for political purposes. The best way is to lie to get value from others and make them work for you and not think about fight back.

1776 is like worst nightmare for tyrannical government.

[–]TDG092224 points25 points  (18 children) | Copy

But men don't need women so we're going MGTOW

[–]KetogenicKraig[S] 33 points34 points  (17 children) | Copy

I can respect that but I’ve gotta say.. healthy LTRs feel pretty fulfilling. Nothing to need but definitely something I and a lot of other men want.

[–]TDG092230 points31 points  (15 children) | Copy

Good luck with finding one. Bitches be nuts.

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[–]Drummerboy8603 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I read an eye-opening study of women (it’s some percentage of them), who find a boyfriend while on birth control. They fall in love, have sex a lot, get married.

The time finally comes when she wants a kid. Cool! Build a family! A trip to the doc later, and she has her IUD taken out, or quits whatever form of BC she’s on. Only, there’s one problem. For some reason, she doesn’t wanna have sex with her husband anymore. Turns out that, once her hormones normalized, she actually isn’t sexually attracted to her husband naturally. Damn.

Postponing families to pursue careers is having all sorts of side effects we’re only just now seeing.

If you really wanna see women triggered over this topic, check out The Transformed Wife facebook page. It’s run by a woman who follows biblical standards on how wives should behave and live (submit to your husband and let him lead, remain silent in church, dress modestly without costly jewelry and fancy hair), and so many women just haaaaaate everything she posts. It’s so entertaining to read.

[–]___Lana___2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Putting a copper IUD was one of the best decisions I made. Besides that it’s cheap, healthy, safe, and ecological, my temper is much more natural (following the cycle), and my sex drive is higher. And it’s less stressful than the pill, both for me and my man (no risk of forgetting to take the pill and ‘surprise baby’).

[–]KetogenicKraig[S] 19 points20 points  (11 children) | Copy

good luck finding one

You don’t have to find one. If you’re a man who has his shit together it will find you. Be a perfect man and women will strive to be perfect for you.

bitches be nuts

Yes. Accept it. You can either despise them and resent them for that fact or you can accept it and love them despite it. Women are crazy, emotional animals. But their pussies also feel good and their hair smells nice.

[–]TDG092215 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy

Or you MGTOW.

Which was my initial point.

If you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. Dollars to doughnuts you've never spent a moment in family court

[–]redaftrp10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

Inasmuch as MGTOW is a reasonable reaction to the current political/social situation in America, I have been on both sides of family court. It all depends on how you choose to respond to the situation you’re in. Eventually women want a break if they win custody, as a man I took the opportunity when it appeared, and now I have sole legal custody and she gets weekend visitation, plus she pays me child support... it’s all in how you handle yourself and the situation. Child support alone was a $1000 swing in my favor, I was paying her 4 times what she now pays me. She even compliments me and my new wife on how well we are raising my son, so there’s that...

[–]TDG09229 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Congrats on 'winning' in family court.

Most guys get eviscerated.

That all sounds like a lot of hard work whereas MGTOW isn't.

[–]redaftrp10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Quite true, I was a blue pill moron before I got married, my exwife cheating on me, combined with divorce and a deployment definitely enlightened me. I’m in a much better place and am succeeding despite what my exwife would wish on me. No more anger phase, just indifference.

[–]Whitefarmer2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well said!!! Although very early in my LTR I said listen up you need me more than I need you. I don’t hurt to state the obvious

[–]BrownGummyBear2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Im sorry but this kinda sounds like a version of finding a unicorn “unicorns don’t exist unless you’re worthy of one, become a high value man and you’ll one”

[–]Nicolas06311 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

100% agree. There no perfect woman or man. You are not perfect, they are not perfect. But if you are truely great, you may manage a truely great woman.

She will not be perfect, there will be hard time but it can be managed. From what I see, there shall be about 10% to 30% of women that are decent.

Most are already taken and none will settle for a man that is spinning plates or doesn't have his shit together. They will leave their current man if the guy doesn't have his shit together. But most often they managed a decent guy too so it doesn't happen that often.

If you are single, at any moment you date either women that are either in couple but cheat, that means they are not great at all, or women that are single... Meaning they didn't manage to find a great guy and keep him... So likely she is not worth it.

I think that great men & women meet when young and after that, they are done. They are together until one dies maybe when she is herself 50 or 60...

If you are there, you didn't manage to find one obviously and maybe even you are spinning plates. No decent woman would ever accept that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

And if you're a pillar for your woman, she will gradually become less nuts. Crazy is a bit of a defense mechanism for females.

[–]KetogenicKraig[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. The answer to “bitches be crazy” is simply “then be more sane.” In other words, hold your damn frame.

[–]1Zanford24 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy

You also didn't mention taxes. Even when full time employed, the typical woman is more dependent on financial subsidy (often from people who are at gunpoint i.e. paying taxes) via

  • More utilization of social services

  • More utilization of health care, and it's illegal for insurance to charge higher premiums to women (but they can still charge men more for car insurance)

  • More sick days

  • More likely to work government jobs, or jobs that only exist due to regulatory burden (HR, etc.) or diversity quotas (which are basically lawsuit insurance)

  • Lower income generally, which means paying less taxes into the system

  • Longer/more parental leave (aka coworkers, probably male, picking up the slack)

  • Female-only scholarships

  • There are more female college students, so probably more total tuition subsidies from government and private school endowments. (Notice how trade schools, which lean male, tend not to get as much of that kind of money.) This also means that any sort of student loan forgiveness is probably a net wealth transfer from men to women.

And that's not even getting into a la carte, voluntary subsidies like beta bux from guys who pay for meals, or boyfriends who don't ask for half the rent. (This is the fault of the betas, no one forced their hand....but it still means that the woman isn't as 'financially independent' ass he probably thinks of herself as).

[–]angelfire3693 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

It seems to me that the number of men able to get there shit together is shrinking because of a lack of decent jobs. While learning frame and breaking the conditioning of our degenerate culture is important, acquiring the resources to successfully raise a family is a significant battle that I think more men are losing. Automation, outsourcing, and corporate consolidation all factor into an economy which benefits the wrong people and shapes our culture respectively.

[–]Nicolas06312 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Not at all. At any time the 20% most paid jobs will do it.

And actually if you have a brain, there many job that are extremely well paid.

If you work hard 5 years in your life, you get decent results at school, get selected for a great university, get a great diploma and then are almost sure to get into the top 10% salaries for your whole life. Your first job will be paid more than what other get after a lifelong carreer.

It's your choice. The way of success is clear, not hidden one bit, everybody can see it and choose to do it or not. If you know you stuff, you can even do it if older. Everybody know how to do that when they are 5 in any wealthy famiy.

Studies are just the easiest way but there many ways. The core is bringing value, understanding how the world works and use that knowledge for success.

Complaining that you should get a great job just because is not helpful.

It is not new, it was always like that for centuries. The smart, cunning and one with knowledge take it all... Others get the scraps.

[–]angelfire3695 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

You're talking about the top 20% and 10%. I'm talking about most men. Most working people in the U.S. make less than $50,000 per year, that's not good. I myself am in the top 20%, so I'm taken care of. But if you care about other men and you want to restore the culture, you have to address change for the whole population. Blaming most men for not being in the top 20% is mathematically incoherent and sociopathic. And no, it hasn't always been this way. America used to be a community that supported each other, back when we had a healthy middle class. Your elitist attitude only began cropping up more recently in mainstream culture through corporate propaganda in the media.

[–]Nicolas06310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am not elitist. I am realist.

First I think in US, half of men make more than 50K$ a year. In a big city like Seatle the median salary is like 80K$, over the country it is like 50K$ and if we speak of men, we are more paid than women in practice. Our median salary is quite high. So no, most mens do not make less than 50K$ a year.

And it isn't like you couldn't live decently with 30K$ a year in a smaller area where things are on the cheaper side of things. You can live pretty well.

There never was as much abundance of everything as today like food or gadget. But for many things in life like real estate, status, jobs you are in competition. Because everybody want it.

And because you are in competition you need to really be in the upper 50% of your group, better top 25% or 10%. If you are the botom 25%, then you get the bottom 25% of everything. For cheap things like food or electronics or clothes this is not important. For real estate, for having fullfilling jobs and so on, this is important because the bottom 25% is cheaty at least in some place like big crowded cities.

[–]ThatOneDrunkUncle5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have some thoughts about this. You say that automation, outsourcing, and corporate consolidation are taking traditional men's roles away from them. Well that sounds familiar, no? Woman lost their traditional gender roles about a century ago when people started having less kids, vacuum cleaners and dish washers automated homemaking, and day cares and schools outsourced motherhood. That was the degeneration of feminity. Women lost their minds for about 30-40 years then invaded male spaces in the workforce because what else were they going to do?

Our traditional roles are being outsourced and automated, so what are we going to do? In the same way women rejected their traditional roles, men are starting to as well. Yes, most men suck right now, but you can absolutely see a spike in men the last few years going to the gym, returning to nature in hunting, hiking, fishing etc. A couple hours in the gym a week used to give you a top 10% physique. No way that's the case now. Look at red pill, mgtow, other male spaces making an absolute comeback online and in real life. The wave is starting to shift the other way. PC culture is not as strong as it looked like it was going to be, women are openly clamoring for real men, and some are stepping up (namely us). Creativity and innovation are at all time highs as these things you mention free up time for us to explore other purposes.

What I'm saying is that the pendulum is beginning to swing the other way. The same way we complain about censorship of our ideas, women complained about 100 years ago. I see it as a good sign for us that our ideas seem so outlandish to society. Our evolution happened slower because its so much harder to automate hunting and farming and bridge building than dish washing, but it's here. The new generation is being dubbed as the most conservative since the depression era. Degeneracy and the other symptoms of rampant depression etc. are signs of society looking for a new purpose. Once we have a complete paradigm shift as humans are effectively obsolete, we can find other reasons to live.

[–]lotrlotr140 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is an excuse. The best men find a way to adapt and survive.

[–]z2a1-97 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Good overall but there are no unicorns

[–]KetogenicKraig[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Unicorn isn’t a great word because it implies that there are “different” women intrinsically out there. No AWALT.

But I’m a firm believer that women form to whatever mold you put them in. If you know what you’re doing, you can turn any woman into a unicorn. I truly believe that. I’ve done it accidentally many times before. I suppose it’s because I had an extremely narcissistic and abusive mother. I learned how to handle bitches from a very young age.

I accidentally created several unicorns when I was younger and inexperienced with women. I did this by essentially friend-zoning girls that were interested in me for large amounts of time. I would ignore IOIs. Completely withhold validation. Only added value instead of taking it by leading the conversation. It made them chase-and-chase. They would go from flirting to almost begging me for sex very quickly (I was oblivious) to outright sending “love signals” like sending me romantic songs to “just listen to.” and I wouldn’t budge and I would leave their lives. I’m now capitalizing on several of these unicorns now. I have 2 and am working on the 3rd. The 2 that I have literally told me that they could never move on from me no matter how hard they tried and could never get in a relationship. On my end, I was catching feelings for these girls way too quickly and immediately shut down when they were in my life. I have a very avoidant style of attachment.

It’s very funny actually. I was forcing my oneitises to fall in love with me by being extremely aloof and acting uninterested.

[–]PatrickIIDX2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

In the past decades, most women wanted to care for and support their men. Men had to find a wife or they were frowned upon. Society was very different at the time. Now, not only we live in a society that is the complete opposite. Mix that in with Tinder, Instagram, Chaturbate, and you see more women getting their attention fix rather than find a valuable partner.

Men need sex

Some men have just given up and just hire an escort, which can get addicting as some are actually 10s. Some men have fucked themselves up with drugs, antidepressants, porn and excessive masturbation. Porn is still being consumed by many.

It will take some decades before society realizes the effects of porn and social media.

[–]Great_Sandwich6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Whenever I get wound up about any of this... I just take a look at any page of a dating site.

Yep. Most people are quite normal, and behave within traditional gender roles.

All of this bullshit is caused by a very vocal minority of blue-haired, pierced, tattooed, flubbery, frothing, feminists. That's it.

[–]TheH1dd3nFear5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy

This is why China is gonna win.

[–]Nighthawk_Black_5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

What are they going to win?

[–]TheH1dd3nFear4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Is gonna be the new super power soon...

[–]Drazga0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

India superpower by 2020... oh wait

[–]chomxxo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Completely agree and thanks for the post. Thanks to everyone who contributed to Red Pill still being here.

[–]MkGlory1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It cant be just accidental. Someone did it on purpose, there's either money or more power in spreading these bad ideas

[–]Redpiller770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is money, which equals power. Thinking this way is why China is now a threat.

[–]Herdsengineers1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

BP feminized society only stands because enough men have bought into it and support it to their own detriment. Without lawmakers, judges, and cops with guns (mostly men) to enforce it, it wouldn't stand on it's own.

It's just another veiled form the State's use of force to exert control over society.

[–]DocPBJ0071 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Has anyone seen the show Fleabag? Where a cool priest is fine with knowing the person he loves just slept with a guy who gave her nine orgasms and still meets her?

And remember, it is OUR fault if we god forbid, accidentally Slut-shame.

Like ofcourse there are guys better at sex, doesn't mean a woman is supposed to even go near them if she marries a guy

[–]LazerSpin3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

“Emotionally self reliant conpletely”? That sounds solly. What do you do? Punch those pesky emotions back into your brain?

Everyone needs some level of emotional support at some point. I am tired of feeling alone even when I’m lying in bed with a cute girl. TRP’s insistence that an SO is “not to help you with feelz” is a really troubling trend.

[–]Redpiller770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not every person is emotionally dependent. TRP also promotes healthy friendships with same minded guys for support.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

obey the law or risk exile


Most of the time I dont actively work against my enemies/opponents.

I just dont help them. At all.

[–]spider_13370 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Now a days i dont think they do. The welfare state provides what they once needed from men and any validation she needs can be obtained from Instagram

[–]Redpiller770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Realized men are self-reliant. Your average guy is as emotionally dependent as any woman.

[–]_jamesashton0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

See but women, as we all know, are all still mostly children from an emotional standpoint.

Do we? How do you know that? Is there anything that can back this up or is it just what you believe? And why are women children but men aren't? Why and how are they different?

[–]_jamesashton0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So for those still hoping for successful LTRs there is still hope; unicorns do exist. As long as you are a strong alpha, any girl with a strong alpha father will be a unicorn for you. Problem is, most women today are growing up with beta fathers or without fathers all together.

What's the difference between an alpha father and a beta father? And why is a beta father worse? Can you prove to me that there even is such a thing as an alpha or a beta?

[–]Adrian-Mcallen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think women are smarter than men, however don’t take action/aren’t as bold as men, and are not capable of being as confident as men, therefore they need us.

[–]WomanWarrier0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That’s what you think. I have no friends, not one. Don’t message or text anyone but family occasionally. Have never had a one night stand. I hate sex. I can please myself better than any man can. I’m very much fulfilled working, volunteering in rescue, and working out at my gym. Not every woman needs or wants a man.

[–]antifeminist30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Women have voted themselves the right to men's labor, and so women still need men, but they view it as a right:

It’s true: only men pay tax Men – all men – support women – all women – whether they like it or not

[–]MELLMAO0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Y'all really need some therapy if any of you believe this to be 100% true in all cases

[–]LukesLikeIt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

White men have been gaslighted by the Jewish media into being the subservient sex to women. Through constant lies and reinforcement through media and entertainment white men are being told/taught they’re the weaker sex. (They’re) feminising us

[–]Framzee0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

What do you mean when you say that society is crumbling? That the roles of gender are becoming more blurred or that everyone hates each other or something else? Genuinely interested, I enjoy talking about different views points :)

[–]KetogenicKraig[S] 14 points15 points  (6 children) | Copy

Mental illness running rampant, suicide sky-rocketing, healthy family structures crumbling, political apathy (BIG RED FLAG). Just to name a few. Society is very very sick right now. Political apathy especially. Society is so fucked that people don’t even care how their country is ran. Also, yeah. The gender roles being reversed is absolutely disgusting.

But hey, at least we have iphones right?

[–]BurnieSlander3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Things may be crumbling at the federal level, but states are stronger than ever and are making power moves all over (legalization of weed and psychedelics). Economy is also stronger than ever, unemployment is low.

All this narrative about females taking over and beta males everywhere is bunk- men still rule. Joe Rogan is king, the best CEOs, comedians, and musicians (by a slimmer margin) are all men.

You see a crumbling old statue and boohoo about it, failing to realize that the reason it’s crumbling is because people are out there building way better shit instead of maintaining old statues.

[–]Redpiller771 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men will always be at top tier positions because men's drive is stronger. And yes, things are getting better, but eventually it will get worse. The economy can't grow indefinitely, specially with declining birth rates, which will keep getting lower the more women are pushed into the career lifestyle.

[–]Redpiller770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Men will always be at top tier positions because men's drive is stronger. And yes, things are getting better, but eventually it will get worse. The economy can't grow indefinitely, specially with declining birth rates, which will keep getting lower the more women are pushed into the career lifestyle.

[–]ToraChan231 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Mental illness running rampant, suicide sky-rocketing, healthy family structures crumbling, political apathy (BIG RED FLAG).

Where are your sources for any of this? Political apathy? All anyone talks about now is politics and how good/bad Trump is and who we should vote for in November.

[–]KetogenicKraig[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I would argue those aren’t indications of political interest at all. Those are more cultural discourses. The whole “trump good/bad” thing is actually a very good indication of political apathy. Nobody is discussing the policies anymore. It’s just “I like this person” or “I don’t like this person.” Politics should be focused on the ideas and plans. Not the people. Try asking the average person “what do you think would be a good way to solve (x) issue” and they will stare blankly. Because they’ve never even thought about it before. They’re too focused on “orange man bad” or “yanggang.”

[–]ToraChan231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nobody is discussing the policies anymore.

Not true. People are discussing policies even more now because politics has become a meme and a way for losers to signal their virtue by displaying the "correct opinions".

More people than I ever remember are talking about how the "working class is oppressed" and how taxing the rich would "fix" that; more people advocating increased immigration (including illegal) for a more "diverse" country; discussing the rights of trans people and "women's rights" in terms of abortions and paternity leave.

"Cultural discourses" have people talking about policies now; whether they know what they're talking about or not.

Try asking the average person “what do you think would be a good way to solve (x) issue” and they will stare blankly.

They will probably parrot a politically correct opinion on whatever issue I asked about. That would be their stance.

[–]ImAnIronmanBtw0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My friend, you are red pilled and based as fuck. Kudos to you. Everything you say is true. Im choosing to just watch the world burn and not partake. All I need is myself.

[–]1meerita0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Society no, the women themselves.

[–]isthatagarlicbread0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I respectfully disagree with your claim that I biologically want to care for a woman, I believe in nurture over nature and i was raised in a way where i just dont like people, i go out, work part time, go to school, come home to my 1 bedroom apartment and game. I dont need a shitty partner in my life, I prefer how my life is now even more than when I was living with my parents.

[–]Teagoblet-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Actually women were the gatherers/farmers of ancient societies, which accounted for 90% of all food supply. Y'all "big manly hunter men" were essentially a luxury, women would/will be fine without men.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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