My thoughts as a Muslim Arab about the current state of the west.

MandalorianFree · 2020-10-11T12:08:00+00:00

Islam is not immune to women’s nature no matter how hard you try to cover them with trash bags, it’s worse for you in the long run we in the west have realized AI is the next step

AncientMGTOWWISDOM · 2020-10-11T11:56:08+00:00

mgtow is the only hope for the west, but middle east has its own set of problems.

darzamat · 2020-10-11T12:06:39+00:00

+1 from me. Islam gets respect from me because it has successfully staved off feminism until now. I don't know if Islam is right or wrong at the end of the day but considering how societies in the west are nowdays I have been thinking a lot about joining Islam. I'm not there yet, but I'm considering it. And yet I fear the feminist disease will slowly creep into Islam as well.

MynameMB · 2020-10-11T13:26:41+00:00

Men are getting bashed even in the middle east. Nagging is a sin, and 3/4 of hell's population is women. Still nothing holds whymyn back from bashing males.

Truthhurter · 2020-10-11T13:59:52+00:00

Nohing against Islam or religion in general but the real reason the west is and probably always will be ahead of the middle East and muslim countries is Islam. You guys are being fooled with that nonsense. It's just used to control you. I bet Mohammed didn't even believe that shit, he just wanted to cuck you guys.

Seriously what do you think a western man thinks when they see you with your face on the ground and your ass in the air? You think they're going to respect you really as men? Liberal ones might, maybe they just think you're just a poor fool. But what about conservatives ones? MGTOWs? Why do you think we keep going to your countries and fucking your shit up? It's hard to respect men who crawl around on the ground like dogs.

Michael__Hunt_ · 2020-10-11T12:08:59+00:00

The West will bounce back. As soon as men decide they've had enough and we start turning on the blue hair feminist and bashing male feminists etc

rp_whybother · 2020-10-11T12:49:30+00:00

I think a large reason why the middle east is behind in stem is because of religion. A similar thing happened in the West and it was not until the enlightenment when a large enough amount of the people told church and the Pope to fuck off that scientists like Galileo and Copernicus could begin advancing humans.

You seem like you have a fairly open mind so can I suggest you take a look at this doco by Richard Dawkins in which he explains why science and religion are incompatible: https://youtu.be/8nAos1M-_Ts

He also makes the point that back in the bronze age so much of the world and universe was a mystery so it's understandable why people then believed religions. But now our understanding is quite advanced and progressing and being refined all the time so by choosing the simple answers that religion provides clouds our mind from the amazing World that we have around us.

Iqbal40862715 · 2020-10-11T14:08:01+00:00

Good post OP!!!

A few things Islam is right about is

Feminism sucks
Feminism is poison and can’t be allowed
Control the destructive nature of women
Allow men to be men
Value modesty in women
Don’t sleep around with men because it messes with pair bonding
Do not allow divorce for dumb reasons
This LGBT stuff has gotten insane.

There’s a bunch of things I don’t like about Islam but I think they’re right on those things.

Although when I hear that feministas are fighting in Muslim countries too and they now allow women to drive even they aren’t exempt from the clown 🤡 world bs the West is dealing with.

gwaikato23 · 2020-10-11T15:24:42+00:00

Is this a post bragging about ones religion ? A few comments makes it seem so. If it's only about comparison of men/women in middle east and west, then it's ok. Else, it wouldn't fit this sub.

Religion is a construct designed specifically to keep people in chains. Nothing special about Islam which discourages critical thinking and apostasy.

A few of those who talk about scientific advances of Arabic world must remember that China and India were way advanced before Islam was even born.

It would be useful if the post was about some MGTOW experience in middle east and comparing it with west. That would be informative.

Banincoming · 2020-10-11T16:33:09+00:00

"Islam is right about women."

carbonblob · 2020-10-11T17:41:41+00:00

One thing about Muslims (and Asians) that might be observed:

None of them seem interested in BLM or claim that they have been "oppressed" as minorities themselves by the Police.

Why? If the system and the police are racist, then shouldn't Muslims & Asians be in marches too?

Nope.. because Muslims and Asians aren't on welfare, or out jogging and causing crimes. They are generally humble people that just want to work for a living and provide for their families.

In fact... many businesses are owned by these minorities. They are pursuing the American Dream. They must be so confused seeing marches for BLM and Antifa filled with 90% white people, who smash their store windows and steal their property under the pretense of "righting wrongs".

Graypube88 · 2020-10-11T18:10:05+00:00

Middle Eastern men are one of the most chucked, pussy pedestalizing, and might as well head East and pray for almighty vag. Your society is also gynocentric just like the West.

confusedwalrus23 · 2020-10-11T23:40:05+00:00

no problem at all. it is absolutely doomed. we're conquered from within, it's only a matter of time before we're conquered from without. i will say this however, i live in an area with a relatively high muslim population. i've talked with some of them and they say that having kids out of marriage is rare among muslims. however, it's easy to spot muslim women who have their noses buried in their phones like most americans, who wear yoga pants underneath their garbs, and when i was in college i made friends with muslims who would regularly fornicate with other muslim women. only difference between them and regular americans was that they felt guilty about it. unless these muslims get serious about their traditions, imo its only a matter of time before they're like the rest of americans.

Gehrman_The_Hunter · 2020-10-11T18:43:44+00:00

Religion has always known the truth behind female nature.

Kraeos · 2020-10-12T07:03:34+00:00

Clarification: OP is saying that Islam has a set of solid laws based on morality which helps dealing with promiscuity and degeneracy. OP doesn't say Islam is best and everyone should follow it , instead Islam has kept degeneracy in check. As the situation stands Islam is doing very well.

trematar · 2020-10-11T15:53:47+00:00

Thank you for sharing, I did not know that middle eastern leaders are western agents, I'd like to look more into that. Its important information. I believe that Islam is right when it comes to women. You cannot give women power at all, they corrupt it. They are only capable of loving them selves and their offspring, they have no love for men. They use the concept of love to deceive men so they can leech off men, like a parasite to its host.

I believe that the curse God laid upon women in genesis 3:16 is true. They desire to control their husbands, but husbands shall rule over them. This explains feminism. Because Eve "deceived her husband in order to control him .." That is now a curse upon women. God is funny how he turns your own sin into a curse. Women are a tool to procreate children, but should be restricted from having power and influence in society. God never removed his curse upon women, they still get periods every month and have child birth pains right? 2 more curses from God, all from the same chapter.

Eve, she really fucked over every woman on the planet lol.

3yaksandadog · 2020-10-11T15:59:33+00:00

In a sentence, I can say that your cultures have created systems where individual expression (and freedom) are considered a threat to the order of things, and so have removed those pesky choices, options and decisions from your hands.

I don't believe freedom comes from the barrel of a gun, because I think, be it in a search for religious/moral purity or in the pursuit of a better deal/ protection, the judge (and the gun) winds up being pointed at those who are closest to you, no matter who the stated enemy is supposed to be.

Having SAID that, someone who seeks to take away your agency, even if it is 'to prevent you from making bad/amoral decisions', such as drinking alcohol or associating with promiscuous women won't stop trying to rule your life until the strings are everywhere, and you convince yourself that you're not a puppet, and you're choosing your prison freely.

You can claim western countries are doomed, but I'd rather die free than live as a serf, a slave, or a peon to a theocratic establishment that has no means of displaying its earthly legitimacy.

In honesty, I have to say that the priesthood is the most nefarious profession of all - even the prostitute conducts herself with more honesty in her trade. Demonstrate the magic, or remove the authority.

maxellmatrix69 · 2020-10-11T19:01:42+00:00

Islam is just a stop gap measure, as in time the woman of the west will infect it too. The only way out for men is advanced AI with sex robots/ house wives and artificial wombs for babies. And with the advent of taking cells and turning them into viable embryos we will eventually have no use for woman. But this all takes time. And to deal with the backlash for woman for this, you have to play to their vanity by offering them something to shut them up like - life extension. And when they complain about being taken care of you just tell them they are grown woman equal to a man and don't need men so take care of your self. We as men have to get into the (Position of F#$k You) were no matter what happens we can just say ...f#$k you.

GladKaleidoscope1585 · 2020-10-11T12:13:19+00:00

“Fortunately, they are not going to rule for long. their downfall is near for many factors“ That’s what the current tyrant said decades ago

No offense but without the west.

You all would be forced to speak Turkish in public.

Obi-wan taught me this.

weebs86 · 2020-10-11T15:08:22+00:00

Hmmm...I did not receive many of your thoughts on the current state of the west. It was your thoughts on the middle east in relation to the west - we are behind scientifically but will come back; Religion is not holding us back but our rulers are; Islam is doing great because we dont drink or do drugs; Islam is great because we separate our men and women as to have less problems than the west is having with gender relations.

I do realize english is not your native tongue but I was hoping for more analysis of the current state of the west of where it is and where it is going.

BloodyNightWing · 2020-10-11T19:44:16+00:00

The way I see it, and I'm no disrespect to Islam, it is an extreme way of keeping women in check.

The west gives them all power and sexual choices. The total opposite

xeq937 · 2020-10-12T01:24:12+00:00

We don't like your idea of religion, but Islam was right about women. Also, I've read feminisim is creeping in over there, but I don't know.

gixxer · 2020-10-12T19:33:30+00:00

Islam specifically and Arabs, in general, are getting so much hate from feminists, liberals, and secularists because we reject and disapprove of feminisms, LGBT+, matriarchy, etc......

Actually, it's the other way around. You see, muslims rank higher than women or gays in leftist victimhood hierarchy. They are considered "more oppressed" and any criticism of islam is smeared as "racism" (never mind that islam is not a race). However, any and all denigration of christianity is allowed and encouraged. The governments of Europe go out of their way to cover up for muslim rape gangs (Rotherham, Cologne, Malmo, etc.) The feminist government of Sweden made it illegal to report ethnicity of criminals. People can see what's happening with their own eyes but reporting any statistics is "racist".

I have realized westerns countries are doomed.

Correct. Europe is busy committing suicide (see The Strange Death of Europe). USA has not yet passed the point of no return.

Speaking of technology and STEM, there are reasons why middle eastern countries are way behind on that. not because of religion, some may think.

I disagree. No religion is conducive to science, and the more dogmatic it is the more hostile to science it becomes -- can't let science challenge sacred texts. Islam today is roughly where christianity was 500 years ago with inquisition, heretic burning, wars of religion, etc. Why Islam has not advanced past the stage of barbarism is a complicated topic.

However, Arabs were actually far more advanced in science than Europeans once upon a time. There is a reason we use arabic numerals and so many stars have arabic names. But all of these inventions predate islam.

Islam does keep a lid on female hypergamy which is why islamic countries have birth rate above replacement while all western countries do not.

seathsoul69 · 2020-10-13T06:29:08+00:00

Islam is based but current muslim leaders ain’t if u want to see the most based government led by early Muslims start reading about RASHIDUN CALIPHATE where u can actually witness Islamic laws in action

johnnyy4500 · 2020-10-11T19:09:41+00:00

Your post reminded me Imran Khan two great articles regarding feminism and the west.

trilobyte12 · 2020-10-12T03:19:37+00:00

Lol, most of the comments on this page, including the thread starter, are from Muslim Pakistani Government Shills spreading Islamist propaganda.

someevilwhitemen · 2020-10-11T12:15:51+00:00

you are right but in western country before the second leftist revolution in 1969 , it was kind of the same when it comes to men women and lgbt and all of that

i think the muslim world as the exact same thing happening here in the west two brand of leftism trying to create an empire

one is the globalist liberal bourgeoisie (still aristocracy mostly) the one you call agent of the west

second its your own marxist uprising the so called islam social from the islamic brotherhood

and all the movement that derives from it

just like in the west with our marxist, the islamic marxist (my term) is vastly financed by the globalist liberal to undermine and destroy your nations from the inside and so create another muslim empire they will control

agent of the west , i disagree even , just powerful elites working all together to control the world

even if the arabs elites have been put in place by the british empire like the saoud for example and contrary to propaganda or popular belief are all in bed with israel too and our own western elites

thats why even if i dont like erdogan , and his alliance with muslim brotherhood to try to recreate a muslim turkish empire , i think on long term its a great thing that the turks can challenge the hegemony of the arabs over the Sunnites islamic world

Title	My thoughts as a Muslim Arab about the current state of the west.
Author	BecomingBetterManK
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Date	October 11, 2020 11:47 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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