[FR] Five months later, isolation game non-existant, , confidence suffering, running dread game, etc. (Advice?)

edwardhwhite · 2015-05-05T00:27:43+00:00

also, you barely talked to the woman. when she's throwing glances at you, she wants you to come over right then. Its basically a shit test in a sense. All flirting is.

NightGod · 2015-05-05T01:45:58+00:00

"You're getting rejected dude, just deal with it."

"Shhh, we're having a conversation over here." "Aww, don't worry, I love you too."

stealthcreeper · 2015-05-05T01:06:07+00:00

When you aproach a group you have to aproach the whole group.

Also:

-work on your abundance mentality

-work on your shit-tests

-keep aproaching and act accordingly

Invalidity · 2015-05-04T23:42:41+00:00

A rising sense of confidence is great... but what about your attractiveness? Are you more physically fit? Do you maintain yourself well? Etcetera, etcetera.

xray777 · 2015-05-05T03:19:50+00:00

You just need more practice. You're already doing more than 70% of most guys.

I've found that my vision of my own game is way, way beyond what it actually is. More specifically, I've thought of certain kinds of conversations/scenarios in my head and get a totally new one in public.

You're doing well, just keep improving and practicing. You'll get it.

transientliving · 2015-05-05T01:34:45+00:00

Can't isolate? Day game, nigga. Chicks walk alone outside all the time. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get numbers and even same-day-lays (or at least insta-dates) just from hitting up randoms on the street.

No need to isolate if the whole situation starts with them isolated. This is often my go-to, I hate breaking apart sets (too much work) and I'm more of a lone wolf when it comes to getting girls anyway so I don't run well with wingmen (which, in my experience, make breaking apart sets much easier.) Perhaps you're like me.

NoMoBluepill · 2015-05-05T01:40:46+00:00

Dude you are misreading signals like crazy.

antariusz · 2015-05-06T12:35:19+00:00

First, Approaching groups is more difficult than solo, but that's only because there are more variables involved, which I'll get back to in a minute...

But your problem is you think you have to isolate to have escalation, and you're basing your entire interaction upon that, and when you can't isolate, you're crushed and you don't know how to respond.

You're trying to apply a first A then -> B then -> C serial style formulation to approaching, when you really need to see it as an insanely advanced branching tree structure. There are a million (maybe more) different variables in every interaction, and each one requires a different response... The positive side is that there is ALWAYS a good response that can get you closer to fucking which is a good goal, for now, to aim for.

Think of it as a "social program" with a million different if-than statements. If you approach a group, and immediately try to isolate the girl you're interested in... of course they're going to know what you're trying to do, and unless you're a 10/10, you're going to get rejected, even if you're only approaching a 5/10 (AWALT). You know how they can tell that your inner-game is shit? You honed in on the 5, even though she was surrounded by 2 more beautiful women. You thought the 5 was attainable, but ignored the 7s. Both the 7s AND the 5s know that they are more attractive, so by zero-ing in on the unattractive girl, you broadcast that you have no self-confidence.

Continue working on yourself, there is no reason for you to be out in public as a 6.... you should be making every effort to make yourself look at least like an 8, or you won't even have a chance, especially if your inner-game (confidence) isn't already a 10/10 .

NicCageForPresident · 2015-05-06T18:06:39+00:00

I honestly don't understand why you are worried about "how you are getting rejected" when you only approached 5 women. If you're starting out you should aim for 5 women a DAY. 5 women in a month is absolutely nothing.

Before you even earn the right to talk about your "game" you should be regularly approaching, which means MULTIPLE GIRLS EVERY DAY.

(And do yourself a favor and stop approaching groups of catty girls)

CrazyHorseInvincible · 2015-05-07T21:44:19+00:00

Here's a protip:

Post this in /r/asktrp where it belongs.

edwardhwhite · 2015-05-05T00:24:11+00:00

You lack abundance mentality and you are approaching in situations where the odds aren't good because you think this is your only chance. You're looking for situations, not particular women.

DreamBoatGuy25 · 2015-05-05T03:26:12+00:00

You're kinda making it harder on yourself than it needs to be.

First, cold approaches aren't generally suited for college campuses unless you're campus is huge. For college or whatever school environment you're at Social Circle game is your friend. Check out Conquer your Campus, Social God, etc.

Cold approaches are fine just do them somewhere way off campus.

Also I would recommend starting with loners for cold approaches. Her friends complicate things a lot for a beginner.

If you are going to be opening girls who are with other girls, then to begin with you need to read up on how to open a set and work the set itself before targeting a specific girl. All of your targets companions are taking the opportunity to shit on you because you're ignoring them. Include them a little at first. Win them over. Then focus on your target.

It also sounds like you need to work on your body language, tonality and overall confidence projection when you're in a set. Once you focus on your target maintain eye contact and don't get distracted.

When that girl crushed you with that "you're getting rejected dude deal with it." You should've shot back with something that alluded to her being jealous. Never let a woman shit talk you without a response, it's like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Hit them back, something with Amused Mastery. To show that you're unaffected by her lame attempts to shame you.

Everyone has to begin somewhere, keep working at it and you'll get there.

GarandTheftAvto · 2015-05-05T03:27:06+00:00

Lots of people have made good points in this thread. But this is important - if you're approaching in the same locations all the time you're going to have a problem.

You're on a college campus and you go to talk to a girl and suddenly an ex is there? If you aren't ready you shouldn't be doing approaches in front of exes at all, so try and spread out a bit and that may help you.

Go to a new coffee place, a bar, a farmers market, whatever.

aguy01 · 2015-05-05T03:29:07+00:00

Why focus on the hard stuff (groups) when you are starting out? Focus on individual women. Go somewhere nobody knows you and do your approaching without worrying about social consequences.

usku · 2015-05-05T06:29:05+00:00

This might get shit on, might not. From the reading, I am guessing this is all new for you.

If you insist, or have no choice but to attack the pack, dial down your intent. Don't go for the top girl, and practice on the 5-6 in the pack for a while. Use the easier marks to up your skill set for while. This will do a couple of things. One it will up you confidence levels. Two it will definitely increase your game. Yes they are easier, but they are not generally going to spread the trim on the table for you. Three it'll get you some fun pussy to keep you going.

As you get better at it, when you keep up the pack hunting tactics, a confident man ignoring the best trim at the table puts the best trim on edge as they try to figure out wtf is going on, making them the easy mark.

As to isolation, I have never been good there, and never really focused on working that angle prior to getting married.

As to your hair, my recommendation. Find a good stylist who also happens to be gay. They will set you up and steer you straight. Pun not intended. I just find that my best cuts have always been from gay men, but these days I consistently rock the shaved head. Far to much salt with my pepper.

MattyAnon · 2015-05-05T01:11:48+00:00

Find girls on their own... take more time with them before you push for number/close/isolate.... find girls outside college...

tdub1111 · 2015-05-05T05:35:14+00:00

It sounds like you go to a small school based on the interactions you've described. Is that the case? Random note, why a mile and a half?

VasiliyZaitzev · 2015-05-05T05:47:15+00:00

The more you practice, the better you'll get. Keep doing what you're doing.
Rookie mistake: not closing in the library, when the hottie freshman is throwing interest your way. She's there, minus the ex and the cunt friend who are going to try to kneecap you.

Title	[FR] Five months later, isolation game non-existant, , confidence suffering, running dread game, etc. (Advice?)
Author	richardguy
Upvotes	22
Comments	33
Date	May 4, 2015 11:36 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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