TFM solution has a few problems no one has mentioned yet, despite being the only valid effort to save Western world.

that_nast · 2019-12-13T16:26:24+00:00

There always seems to be a few glaring omissions or oversights with his philosophy. Don't get me wrong, I hold TFM in very high regard. He's the reason I got into MGTOW. I had always been kind of red pilled. But his MGTOW investing series and MGTOW freedom stuff made me realize I can never marry/cohabitate/have children because the system is completely broken and rotted to the core. The only way to break free from this cycle, I realized, was to take control of the variables that I could and maximize them.

For what it's worth, his dispelling of the political spectrum and buildout of that weird multi sided political cube is some of his best work. It accurately paints a picture as to why the left vs right narrative isn't telling the whole story.

DangZagnut · 2019-12-13T16:31:30+00:00

Debt is meaningless. All it does is devalue the currency, it’s why you need ten bucks to buy what you could with a nickel 50 years ago.

Taking away woman’s rights isn’t going to change fertility rates, also, maybe governments shouldn’t come up with stupid schemes based entirely on a constantly increasing population.

Also, you think taking away someone’s vote is going to get someone laid more? No. Sounds like incel psychopath fantasies.

Men can have all the authority they want. They choose not to because most aren’t assholes that beat up and bully people.

yawp1 · 2019-12-13T17:14:43+00:00

I think he's too tied up in specifics.

If you read history and how civilizations decline and fall, the general principle is that once you're in the decline phase you're talking what can't go on will not.

There are any number of ways it can play out and any number of final triggering events that start it.

It's the sand pile analogy. Once a sand pile has built up to a critical size, and you keep adding a grain of sand at a time, it's collapse is inherent. It's built in and inevitable.

But what particular grain of sand that will produce the collapse can't be predicted. Only that exists and the even will occur. The precise timing can't is not predictable.

As I understand things.

You might like reading Anonymous Conservative's blog on r/K selection theory. Lots of good ideas that make a great deal of sense.

Phantom_Spark · 2019-12-13T20:04:34+00:00

I can’t speak on the first one. That’s some economic magic right there. LOL.

As for the economy... if 99% of men were working and the snowflaking stopped... we could accomplish it.

As for men not ready for responsibility? Men are never ready until it’s placed upon them and the time comes to sink or swim. Men were raised on trial by fire. Without those trials and lack of options... they wouldn’t have been ready either.

Necessity is the mother of invention. When you need to lead in order to survive... you make a way!

Grant1412 · 2019-12-14T00:14:06+00:00

Well ok.

..I mean, it's not my responsibility to save the world anymore. Once I came to understand that I will never be valued anywhere near as much as female hypergamy to any woman ever, I realised I had zero incentive to save a small town, never mind the world.

I'll be here for guys and children... family. That's it. The world will be fine or it won't. It's no longer my problem. What's important now, is how comfortable and at peace I feel in any given moment.

Women don't need no men, right? Let them deal with the consequences of hypergamy.

Carnosauria · 2019-12-13T22:23:12+00:00

If lots of people leave the workforce, the value of labour will skyrocket. The people left will be paid far more. Wages will finally go up and single-income families will be the norm again. Americans will no longer have to work two jobs just to scrape by.

Sure there'll be teething problems at the start. But things will adjust and workers will be treated better in the long run, which is a great thing.

Darth_Bicycle · 2019-12-14T05:41:38+00:00

I suppose one problem with ever increasing debt is intrest rates. If the debt goes high enough then all the taxes government collects would go to paying down the interest. So there would be no more money for roads, hospitals, schools and so on. You'd just tax people and get nothing out of it. You can already see this playing out in Japan and Europe. My guess is that that is one reason why there are negative real intrest rates in Europe; We are already technically bankrupt.
That's a good point. I don't see how it's possible in practice either. I don't support taking womens rights away on a personal level either. I don't know if you can really morally justify it either, not in this political climate anyway.

3.I'm personally not ready for that either. I have no patience or desire to ”game my wife”. The whole idea seems like it's not worth it at all. Besides I am an old fart. One foot in the grave and another on a banana peel. I have no time to play Alpha male to pass shit tests. Seems so silly to me.

Atton_Risk · 2019-12-14T11:38:55+00:00

Without social security and medicaid or with massive and sweeping reforms. The US would be able to pay trillions into its debt repayments ever single year. The debt would be gone in very short order.
Women are a liability in the workplace, they pay fuck all in taxes and most of their jobs can be filled by almost anyone else. There might be some short term friction, but business will improve dramatically. They are the products of affirmative action and without that they would not have the jobs that they have. They cost the economy more than they are worth.
Weak men are followers of stronger men

Vaxel00 · 2019-12-14T23:33:11+00:00

On the second point, that is completely false.

Taking women out of the workforce would fix a lot of things. Would rise wages for once, since women cost more than what they produce then productivity would increase.

AeternusDoleo · 2019-12-15T04:40:09+00:00

1: The debt issue. After money changed from the gold standard to fiat currency, the value of money has become whatever society says it is. There's nothing (nothing serious) backing the dollar, euro and probably the yuan either - if people want to cash them in, and do so en-masse, the banks/fed will fold and the currency is revealed to have no value. That's why there's a housing bubble. Lots of rich folk buying up houses because those retain value during a collapse. People need a roof over their heads. The trust in these currencies by those in the know is already gone, that should be telling. Yea, as long as people believe money has value, it will.

2: On womens rights. Yea, that genie will not go back in it's bottle. Forcing that issue is just not going to work in a nation that prides itself on the values of personal liberty. The transition needs to be natural - as "liberated" women decide to emulate the male provider role, then can't find a man "worthy" of them (IE a superchad that makes more then they do, 'cause you 'deserve to be taken care of', right?) they'll end up childless and unhappy. This will both shrink the feminist/equity base and shock a few of them back into reality, by having the "have it all" lie revealed as bunk. Who knows, perhaps once excessive suicides becomes a womens issue the penny will drop...

3: Male authority. Doesn't matter if half the men aren't ready. Those who won't lead will be led. This has been commonplace enough throughout history. See above for the natural transition option - those men are weak willed, we've often seen it confirmed even by feminist rags that women do not like these guys. So they too will end up alone, and die out.

TFM's ideas are alright, but he's going too activist-y for my tastes. No action is needed, this problem will resolve itself. One way or another.

MuleFool42 · 2019-12-13T18:52:24+00:00

I don't listen to TFM. He is clearly a hater and I don't necessarily hate women, or anyone. MGTOW is just not about hate, so I stopped watching him a long time ago.

Title	TFM solution has a few problems no one has mentioned yet, despite being the only valid effort to save Western world.
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Date	December 13, 2019 4:19 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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