Do you think a lot of people use the MGTOW movement to reinforce their hatred of women?

MDMantis-Toboggan · 2019-11-05T19:03:01+00:00

You have posts deleted from this Reddit thread before. You might say you're not a shitposter, but the nature of your question has no aim other than to accuse. You aren't fooling anyone here.

Shrewski · 2019-11-05T19:06:28+00:00

I don’t think men here hate women at all. I love tits and ass but the risks just outweigh any sort of benefits.

jermrash7 · 2019-11-05T19:16:04+00:00

There is a difference between hatred and distaste.

DangZagnut · 2019-11-05T19:36:32+00:00

I've been lurker for while and while there seems to be and abundance of posts dedicated to tearing women down and hatred towards them.

Are women immune to be criticized or made fun of when they do and say stupid shit? Do you level the same criticisms at women oriented subreddits? Because we both know you don't, so you're sexist and misandrist.

Go back to your hate subreddits where you can bash men to your hearts content.

Because you don't give a shit about them, just desperate to prevent women from being criticized and shown they are just as shitty as men.

Dmapguy · 2019-11-05T19:47:22+00:00

I hate the system more than women. Women are just women. It is what it is. Society has allowed women to become undesirable for many men. I embrace MGTOW because it will bring me peace in the long term and will assist me in avoiding the pitfalls the system wants to push men into.

Note: It's not a political movement.

michaelklr · 2019-11-05T18:59:09+00:00

I don’t follow the MGTOW movement, it’s a way of life. Don’t play into the games women play.

RT-AC66U · 2019-11-05T19:02:02+00:00

We are hard wired to like and protect women.

cryptotim70726 · 2019-11-05T19:39:22+00:00

Make feminists stop hating men first, then we can discuss why some MGTOW still have rage which cam be associated with hate.

Krazyrobus · 2019-11-05T19:31:45+00:00

Don't hate em, just not putting my livelihood and happiness in their hands.

softbeats · 2019-11-05T19:36:40+00:00

This comment stuck with me.

There is a war on noticing. Part of raising men up is telling them: that thing you noticed? Yes, you are allowed to notice it.

I think you have your perspective askew. Women are reinforcing their own position as creatures to dislike. We’re just noticing it.

melkiorr · 2019-11-05T19:42:59+00:00

I dont love or hate them. Mgtow made me neutral to women. I just wish the laws were fair to men. Until that, the smartest move for a man is to stay away from them.

krenovinspired · 2019-11-05T20:22:01+00:00

First of all, it isn't a "movement".

What others do as a MGTOW, does not concern me. It is their way, not mine. I have no more say in how they define their lives, than they do in mine.

Personally, I don't hate women. Nor do I love them. I have loved some women in my life. I now choose to live by myself, with my loyal dog, because I have decided women, in general, aren't worth the time they demand. I also see a culture and system designed to put me - a white male - at as much disadvantage as it can. For some reason, I have "privilege" because anything I've gained in this world, I've gained through my hard work and perseverance. I also run the threat, on a daily basis, of being accused of some thought crime, or sexual harassment, or what have you, just because someone hates me because I'm male, and white, and the system can and will force me to prove my innocence.

In short, I am MGTOW, because sometime in the last two decades, the world lost its collective mind.

Docbear64 · 2019-11-05T20:45:43+00:00

I've seen a lot of men disrespect, abuse, and torture themselves for the sake of proving they were a " worthy man" or due to a misplaced sense of value assuming that the women in their lives had their best interest at heart even when it was clear to the world that she didn't and her own behaviors show she didn't .

I grew up in a house with a single mom , I have multiple older sisters that I admire and couldn't imagine living without , I've had some great dates and relationships that were actually quite pleasant.

and yet despite that I think women are mens biggest weakness, largest vulnerability, and a time and energy sink which is nearly impossible to explain the drain they have on men .

Women aren't all bad but I have found that in my own life women are only useful in specific situations and are more often a detriment than a blessing .

I can show you lots of men whose lives were made worse ( as men) and more frustrating / complicated due to women and show you very few whose lives were improved ( once they became a man) by women .

captainsaveahoe69 · 2019-11-05T21:02:58+00:00

No I love women, have some great female friends. I have a daughter and I'm still friends with my ex wife, who is a great lady.

I think the system we live in has done a great disservice to women as well as men. Not that a lot of women are not culpable for their actions, they are.

yawp1 · 2019-11-05T19:03:27+00:00

Many come here after a betrayal and feel what we call red pill rage.

There seems to be a process involved that involves stages similar to the stages of grief. The anger at the betrayal is the first stage.

You'll find other men here at other periods in their development. Thus posts about business, finance, health and fitness, travel, education, etc. And of course our dogs. :)

So you can't lump everyone together.

If you read through the sub you'll see there's a lot of effort on giving advice and helping other men. Giving support and inspiration.

I'm glad things are going well for you.

PanderjitSingh_k · 2019-11-05T19:52:07+00:00

Are you trying to distract from your racist hatred of brown people by trying to smear MGTOW?

burnerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 2019-11-05T19:53:03+00:00

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DairyKing28 · 2019-11-05T19:53:38+00:00

Everyone joins for different reasons, but thier disappointments in the expectations of women, as well as how society treats men, made many of them join these set of ideas.

Granted, some of these people are going to be understandably angry, as a huge part of thier life's purpose, or at least something they felt honor bound to uphold, turned out to be a lie. Finding out you've busted your ass just to get shortchanged by someone you love, or society, would make anyone's blood boil.

Some of us have gotten past the anger stage, but are still struggling to find purpose. Actively waking up and pushing forward knowing how insignificant you as a person are to those around you is painful. You have to internalize and treat yourself well amidst years, if not decades, of social conditioning making you into a sacrificial lamb.

Faced with that, can you blame some of these guys for wanting to lash out? I dont support the bashing, for why complain about nature itself being nature? I'm only mad at the society that enables such behavior.

Rich or poor, I've made a decision to live with myself being the primary focus on my life, and women in general(with the exception of my proven, but few female friends) as a means of pleasure, not investment.

Enjoy it like you would a toy. Pay a reasonable price, use it for it's worth, and move on. That is exactly how they see you, regardless.

My motivation was getting burned twice by females I loved all due to lacking social and financial status while all under the guise of "It's not you. It's me." I was cheated on and made out to be the asshole by people that had built years of trust with me ONLY to let momentary flings sabotage that. I've witnessed women at work cheating. Had convos with some former friends about it....a couple were cheating on men who were deployed overseas and not even feeling sorry about it.

Fighting social conditioning is hard even when faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Truth is, though, being alone isn't the worst thing in the world, if you know how to be good to yourself!

Most men have been taught to be sacrificial. Very few have been taught to be beneficial to themselves.

burnerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 2019-11-05T20:02:22+00:00

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eduardkoopman · 2019-11-05T20:35:28+00:00

I love women

Personally, I find this a pretty dumb statement. Because, it's to general. I find it, equally dumb, as saying "I hate (all) women".

Why, I find it dumb?

I like to love people based on: the content of their actions, qualities, and personality traits.

And which such statement as you did, you leave no room for that.

Loving all women; equals loving women such as: serial killers Miyuki Ishikawa or Aileen Wuornos, etc...

Hating all women. equals hating women such as: Florence Nightingale, or mother Theresa, etc..

So, what I guess I'm really asking is what are your motives for following the MGTOW movement?

reasons? I had chosen celibacy monk mode, 4 yeats ago. I didn't even know mgtow existed. Some time/years later; i found my choice and the reasons was in line with my lifestyle choice. So, this was like a place/club/etc.. where I could "hang" and find likeminded people.
Most people I personally know, find it very weird that I don't want to: marry, have kids, have ltr, or have short term relationships, have sex, etc... Plenty often, I got dissed for it. Or some time ago, a dude told me my life pointless/meaningless/purpose and a waiste of shit because I don't want to have children.

AeternusDoleo · 2019-11-05T20:49:10+00:00

But to the point of title. I've been lurker for while and while there seems to be and abundance of posts dedicated to tearing women down and hatred towards them.

Posts calling out the double standards or the "pussy pass" aren't about tearing down women - they are about exposing something that is wrong in society, and is not getting called out. And yes, that reinforces our general belief that we're better off single, or at least not in any committed relation. Sure there's the occasional "double x bad" shitpost - frankly, I just chuck a blue arrow on those and leave it be. Probably just some guys venting, if that's not your cup of tea, ignore it. That kind of tone policing, doesn't happen over here. This isn't a "safe space" for the fragile of spirit.

So, what I guess I'm really asking is what are your motives for following the MGTOW movement?

To live a happy and healthy (especially on the mental side - stress is a killer) life. There is zen to be found in DGAF.

gtowerthrowaway · 2019-11-05T21:41:14+00:00

Classic "have you stopped beating your wife?" post.

Fuck off.

RedCBR900 · 2019-11-05T22:03:01+00:00

"Let me preface this by saying I love women. I have a lot of great, strong and amazing women in my life and I wouldn't change it for the world. "

pffffrrr lol

RedCBR900 · 2019-11-05T22:11:19+00:00

ITS NOT A MOVEMENT

OHighThereMo · 2019-11-05T22:16:30+00:00

Your initial preface "I love women" is basically the social dynamic that drives men to MGTOW. That unconditional love you give women is something men aren't given. That's a big part of what MGTOW is about helping men deal with, as I see it.

You "love women" and in fact women are loved unconditionally by many people. Men don't get that unconditional love. For men, all acceptance and love is conditional, conditioned on offering some valuable skill or valuable support.

So men need a source of support a lot more than women do -- women get support everywhere. A huge part of MGTOW is men learning to support and care for themselves, precisely because they don't get the unconditional social support and empathy that women take for granted. No man can walk into a room crying and have half the room come rushing over to comfort him and fix whatever is wrong.

When a woman screams "Help me!" people say "what's wrong?" When a man screams "help me!" people say "what's wrong with him?"

RedCBR900 · 2019-11-05T22:26:53+00:00

why do you say youvlove women? people here are obviously going to get annoyed at such a simpish soyesque pc declaration.Who are you signalling to with that ?

Azuzu88 · 2019-11-05T22:51:36+00:00

Different people have different views and motivations. I dont think anyone can deny that there are definitely a fair few members of this sub that are more on the incel end of the spectrum but they tend to leave once they realise that this is not the same thing. Most of the men here dont hate women, they just recognise their nature and that we live in a society that brings out the worst in them and supports toxicity, just like how in the past society promoted mass racism, slavery and homophobia etc. These men have decided to step back and live their lives for themselves.

Title	Do you think a lot of people use the MGTOW movement to reinforce their hatred of women?
Author	burnerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Date	November 5, 2019 6:56 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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