Unpopular opinion: Japan's "Hikikomori problem" is not a problem - just a symptom.

DangZagnut · 2019-11-01T23:37:21+00:00

I'm not sure they're ashamed or angry.

I don't go to the ISS because, what's the point? I have no interest in taking a rocket to the ISS, and if I was there I would just float around farting. I just don't have the interest.

HIkiomori isn't, from what I've gathered, a reaction to women, but just simple nonparticipation in a bullshit system.

I don't think they're pressured at all. I'm not married, because I can do basic math. It's a stupid idea for stupid people.

Marriage is a joke for everyone. I know only one man that isn't divorced.

I don't think it's "causal", it's just failing the math test. Basic math shows marriage is for suckers.

strongandhappy · 2019-11-01T23:34:26+00:00

Why accept responsibility without reward or power? That's slavery.

MethaCat · 2019-11-02T00:16:00+00:00

Your title is entirely accurate imho.

As you dig deeper into this matter you will see that Hikis (people that chose to be recluses in their own room, depend heavily on parents for food, as in they won't even go into the kitchen in some extreme cases) are not alone, you also have the so called "herbivore men"(guys that take part time jobs with low salaries that can cover their everyday needs and not much else), Karoshi (men that get worked to death), NEETs (not in education, employment or trade), a justice system with presumption of guilt (99% conviction rate), and a high suicide rate. You can also include here the Johatsu ("evaporated people", your family can contact an specialized moving company, take all their furniture and disappear while your were working one day).

As for why this is all happening, it's a just a perfect economic, legal, social and technological shit storm.

For all the praise it receives, Japan is far from the best place to be a man.

necessary_infowar · 2019-11-02T04:48:16+00:00

I'd opt out too, if the alternative is working 14-18 hours a day while the wife is living it up, and having to give my whole salary to her while she gives me back $5-$10 worth a day in allowance. Forget intimacy, she would have had her fill already while I was stuck at work with the boss chewing me out for being tired and sluggish and not working enough hours.

Yup, wanted to visit that country so much when I was younger. Couldn't pay me to go now.

paranoidpaco · 2019-11-01T23:39:18+00:00

I feel so sorry for these guys. I had periods in my life in which I would not leave my house in months, and dreamt of how great it would be to live like this forever. It was fear, mostly. I'm so happy I'm over that (I hope). Passivity and being paralized all day is the fucking worst.

Doogie76 · 2019-11-02T02:35:47+00:00

Just like the mice in the unlimited food and sex but limited space experiment. Some of them ended up sitting in a corner doing nothing. Biologically animals and humans need enough free space to function correctly.

NoCharism · 2019-11-02T06:09:58+00:00

Why participate in a system, where you can only lose?

Whats the point of it?

We work and others earn what we create and politicians constantly take more and more of our freedom away, so why even bother?

Ody_ssey · 2019-11-02T06:54:31+00:00

Society only listens to women. Instead of building something productive out of this privilege, women have created hostile work environment for men. I hope more men in Japan completely boycott relationships and marriage. Neither of them are required for survival.

Rotarymeister · 2019-11-02T04:19:28+00:00

You're preaching to the choir, my lad. You should be telling this in the mainstream subreddits for it to be unpopular.

EgoLemonade · 2019-11-02T05:16:07+00:00

There are always people who decide not to participate in society, such as monks and hermits. But, when men are leaving society in large numbers, this is something else entirely. It signals a civilizational decline. People only start to notice men leaving after the related tax revenue decreases. This has happened before, and it will happen to the civilizations that come after us.

Madlaud · 2019-11-02T16:28:45+00:00

What are you gonna do?

- Jobs want someone experienced and to get experience you need to get a job

- Unis put fault on young men and shame their masculinity

- Girls make fun of men looks, cheat, lie without a care

- Betabuxing is useless, women only use it as ticket meals

What are you going to do in such situations when 99% of things are stacked against you? Wageslave and continue getting treated like shit? Nope, you're gonna create your inner world with videogames, anime and avoid the people that don't care about you until eventually one day you're gonna die be it naturally or by own hand as there's not much to do in such situations other than either enjoy whatever you can in the moment

horse3y3s · 2019-11-02T00:30:26+00:00

Why unpopular opinion?

Many researches consider hikikomori and other social phenomena (like the "herbivores man") a symptom.

Also, there is a whole spectrum of disfuncionality between hikikomoris. And the reasons that drove them to their current state are varied too.

I think hikikomoris are tricky to get a recover, because it is a vicious cycle. The guy gets traumatized for whatever reason, like being constantly bullied in school (bully in japan is high), failing to pass an admission test or being fired, and then it is isolation and seclusion over and over.

MrMagtow · 2019-11-03T00:51:52+00:00

Hikkomori has more to do with Japanese business slavery culture than anything else.

Herbivore Men (not interested in chasing women) are a direct result of women acting like men. Men will keep walking away until we're backed into a corner. The day that happens... it's not going to be pretty, that's for sure.

anon_likes_tendies · 2019-11-02T12:23:29+00:00

Just wait until socialism goes full throttle in the States. That should be the MGTOW call for full withdrawal from battle.

AeternusDoleo · 2019-11-03T01:10:56+00:00

The issue is a lack of things to strive for, or lack of reward therefor. There's no point in being your best if you live in a society that despises those who stand out - and Japan is such a society. The drive towards equity you see on the left in the western world will have the same effect.

When the other crabs will drag you back down in the bucket anyway, why bother moving? Just get comfortable at the bottom any way you can. That's the level of blackpill you see in those "lost men". And I can empathize with that sentiment.

Morphs_ · 2019-11-03T01:37:47+00:00

This is not herbivore men. Apparently Hikis still live with their parents and are basically grown kids that cannot provide for themselves. Definitely not an example for MGTOW guys of you ask me.

Mikeytikey123 · 2019-11-02T13:25:16+00:00

Well, I think it is for selfish reasons foremost, but also very logical for them.

Like lots of Asian countries the primary parental lesson given to them is 'Money, get job, get money' which, while important, can seriously mess you up.

Naturally, they crave other things too, and so go about exploring those things on their own. Huge numbers of Asian households essentially give zero dating or relationship advice, which is cool... if you want to create swathes of mindless soulless drones with no conversation ability outside of their studies.

Obviously they're not all like that, but it's no wonder you get people uninterested in other people. It is 100% possible for humans to live in isolation, just not ideal.

Gutsybuckel · 2019-11-02T21:06:31+00:00

A logical solution to an illogical society.

Title	Unpopular opinion: Japan's "Hikikomori problem" is not a problem - just a symptom.
Author	HappinessSells
Upvotes	144
Comments	33
Date	November 1, 2019 11:30 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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