An Honest Read

TenTen222 · 2019-01-18T10:16:24+00:00

It's not just incels, plenty of feminists with fake accounts trying to make MGTOW look bad

Hope we have good mods

Disbursed-operant · 2019-01-18T11:11:00+00:00

MODS should delete incel posts and ban them from the sub.

Nothing is more pathetic than a guy who cant get laid and bemoans his misfortune by blaming women for his problem.

It's not sex they're after. You can solve that problem in about 1 hour at any massage parlour.

The incel problem is that they crave female validation and acceptance. Because they are so self-loathing they cant improve their own selves. They are the male version of a fat fucking blue-haired feminist who demands to be found attractive.

Incels post here because their little self-loathing sub got shutdown. But they sure as fuck are not mgtow.

Dont let that discourage you though. Just downvote and comment "this isnt mgtow" when you see that bullshit.

Of course theres a difference between criticism of women and the system, which is perfectly valid, and necessary. Men need to share what has happened to them, both as a cathartic release and to serve as. A warning to other young men.

Yovite the good, downvote the trash. If the sub needs new mods, shit let me know I'd be happy to take the incels out like it was an everyday daily chore.

Go your own way in peace.

user_miki · 2019-01-18T10:30:11+00:00

In order to heal you must speak about your problem.People need to vent they anger and frustration.They feel they were lied by the society and the dream of their nice future was stolen. Everybody of us was told be nice,respect girls , have good grades in school, have a nice job and will find the virgin woman of your dreams that will love you unconditionally and you''ll live happily ever after.We wanted the love of our parents 50-100 years ago.Now we received the old life script and modern women follow other.The feminist script.Now everybody said to them if they want something like that they are toxic fragile and insecure.No wonder why so young many men felt cheated and lied.

LJHova · 2019-01-18T09:17:19+00:00

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Atriplex124 · 2019-01-18T12:30:11+00:00

Some people are going through the anger phase. My ex left me while pregnant with my daughter. I was pretty upset, for a while. But now I'm over it and living my life. In fact my life is better than it has ever been, Since then. Your right through hating women doesnt solve anything, for some it's just a release for pain they have. It passes.

MrMannheim · 2019-01-18T13:15:18+00:00

Agreed.

Also, don't forget that MGTOW is a very personal philosophy and every man practices it differently. Sure, we may all agree on a wide variety of things, but our opinions are as varied as our backgrounds.

2019-01-18T13:42:06+00:00

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Gibits · 2019-01-18T08:56:08+00:00

We have grown but it was at the expense of various subreddits getting shut down. So many of them migrated here and have diluted the message. Some have come to deliberately troll, some are testing to see if MGTOW is just another way of saying incel/PUA/MRA etc. trying to find common ground or disrupt things.

Basically, we got a lot of refugees. And I agree with you. Just filter it in your head when u scroll

jonathino001 · 2019-01-18T09:58:57+00:00

I'm going to say the same thing that I always say when posts like this happen:

I used to think the same way. I was hesitant to call myself MGTOW because of the very vocal misogyny in the community. But through reading about other mens experiences with women on this sub, I've come to a very important conclusion.

These are men who have been put through hell. These are men who have had EVERYTHING taken from them. Their money, their homes, their family. Sometimes more than once. Sometimes it doesn't even end at separation, sometimes they continue to TAKE from these men in the form of alimony or child support. Sometimes they even go so far as to sabotage their social circles by turning friends and family against them. ALL OF THIS... from someone who was supposed to love you more than anyone. For someone you dedicate your LIFE to.

It can be hard to fully grasp the magnitude of the power these women have over your lives, and just how often they use that power. But read enough of these stories of men who are BROKEN. Financially, emotionally, and legally BROKEN. Read enough of these stories, and all of a sudden the hate just makes sense. You can't just bottle that up because "Hate isn't productive" or "you're just giving us a bad name". NO. That hate NEEDS an outlet. And this subreddit is that outlet. (or at least one of them.)

If anyone is offended by what happens on this sub, TOUGH. Your poor offended fee-fee's are a drop of water in the pacific ocean compared to what these men have been through. DEAL WITH IT. Or don't, the good thing about MGTOW is that your compliance isn't a factor.

[deleted] · 2019-01-18T14:27:20+00:00

Brilliantly said, i totally agree.

Just to say:-

1) If you are here because you are bitter or angry with women, The absolute best revenge is indifference.

2) We can however only go our own way to a certain extent as you can bet your bottom dollar that if enough men go there own way govts will start creating single men stealth taxes as well as every shaming technique possible. So yes MGTOW but you also need to be MRA to a certain extent.

3) Who knows who is who on the internet? Who benefits from women hating posts? Inceltears and feminists thats who. So my immediate assumption on seeing an extreme woman bashing post or comment is that this person is at best misguided/mistaken and at worst is a feminist sock account. Having said that I have undoubtedly made women bashing comments (Although I hope not too extreme) but really they don't help our cause or philosophy. So I am going to try and stick to positive MGTOW and vote down the bashing.

4) MGTOW for me is in the end about weighing up the advantages and disadvantages of being in a relationship and feeling right now that the disadvantages are winning.

LJHova · 2019-01-18T13:28:03+00:00

Mgtow isn't a single philosophy. It's just a representation of the fact that men are capable of doing whatever they want. About the only thing we share in common is an understanding that women are dangerous and that devoting too much of our lives to achieving happiness for them is a recipe for misery for men. It is wrong to think of mgtow as a coherent movement or Society. We are Loosely connected buy some general similarities, but the way you approach your life may not be the same as the way another approaches his.
You've made several classic blunders. One of them is your insistence that men calling women out for their behavior is somehow beneath mgtow or morally objectionable. Once again, you have not lived the lives of every man on this planet. You don't understand what some of them went through and well you can commiserate in certain ways, you may not be able to comprehend what they're saying on other levels. Some men have been so abused by the women in their lives that the stances you consider extreme could actually be considered mild if you walked a mile in their shoes. Stop judging other men when they're simply venting about the tragedies they've experienced in their lives.
Another classic mistake you've made and one that tells me you're new on the journey is that you've essentially said that your mother is nawalt. Sure, you tried to qualify it so that you didn't seem like a total simp, but that doesn't change the fact that you've essentially told us your mother is different from all other women. I guarantee you that she's not. I can guarantee you that based on a quote from you yourself.

"And being raised in a traditional background, my mother, unlike most women in America, disagrees with a lot of feminist ideals and PUSHES me to be a stronger man, often saying -- and I quote, "You're not a boy anymore, you're a MAN! And you need to embrace that ESPECIALLY in these times. My son will NOT be a weakling and if your father doesn't teach you then I will!""

I'm going to tell you right now that this idea of a traditional background is quite dangerous. Your mother is encouraging you to be her ideal man rather than to be who you are because she views that as advantageous to her and therefore thinks that other women will do that as advantageous to them. You'll note that everything a woman does is from her own perspective and from her own Advantage. She can't think about what would make you happy, only about what would make her happy and therefore she assumes that it would make other women happy and make you a palatable partner. Your mother has essentially just told you to be a certain way in order to please women or Society. That's precisely what mgtow is calling b******* on. Women don't get to Define what makes a man and neither does Gillette. Each individual man gets to decide what makes him happy. That's what MGTOW is.

2019-01-18T16:14:37+00:00

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Adast_Adamov · 2019-01-18T14:48:27+00:00

There is a different side to this.

You see, many MGTOW have high libido. They are constantly tempted by going back to the plantation.

I think that those posts about women work as a very good remainder of danger.

rooster-one4 · 2019-01-18T15:31:21+00:00

Don't discount the anger aspects, which shouldn't be confused with incel anger.. folks liken this to taking a pill, but sometimes that pill makes you sick for a week because it's a change in diet, and your body has to adjust...Men have been raised to worship women, and it's been mixed into every aspect of their lives, then they start to see the real world and well, there's anger. It can also be from being really screwed over after trying everything and being made to feel as if they failed, when in fact they were just set up to fail and that also makes them angry.

For the anger, I think this community shows that we can communicate at a deeper level with others and ourselves. It's also a community to show men going through this that everyone here, at some level, has already walked the path, so we can (as a group) help reduce that anger and show him that he's not alone.

It's a process. It's hard to have a defined world be seen as completely false, and it's hard to rationalize how complicit the individual was in maintaining the illusion.

YellowFever19 · 2019-01-18T09:47:27+00:00

You dont have to hate women because you cant get laid. There are plenty of good reasons to hate women. Of course your mother might be an exception, she's your goddamn mother. But other women really aren't shit, and hating most of them is justified. They cause a lot of problems, and have no self-respect and an inflated ego.

magx01 · 2019-01-18T13:12:49+00:00

My son will NOT be a weakling

See? Always about them them them.

OutsideDream · 2019-01-18T16:41:24+00:00

so what do you think about your mother saying that? not having a go, interested

laptopdragon · 2019-01-18T18:19:46+00:00

it is about gyow, but it also must (eventually) include to correct massive mistakes like mens rights.

Men should have rights in dna tests and obligations.

men should have rights in false claims and other legal issues that women create out of spite or whatever.

women need to be held responsible for 100% themselves.

the problem is there isn't any equality b/c men are slaves to women and how government redistributes mens wealth directly to women, whether it being in healthcare or retirement, it's completely unbalanced.

mgtow is the bare minimum on where it needs to start, but it shouldn't stop until women are in the draft and women are equally punished for the same crimes. While I also consider naming any man who is not the father a moral and ethical crime equal to murder b/c she can destroy a mans identity by her own greed for his money.

women have destroyed innocent mens lives which may be greater than murder, and have never had any consequences. How is this even allowed? Where are the riots for mens rights?

RandomizeCharacter · 2019-01-18T14:45:11+00:00

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Title	An Honest Read
Author	RandomizeCharacter
Upvotes	120
Comments	65
Date	January 18, 2019 8:44 AM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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