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[–]where_muh_good_mens84 points85 points86 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Engaging in politics is a necessary evil to attaining a high degree of liberty. It is the platform from which people fight without shedding blood. Those who avoid understanding the platform or developing their own tenants will be regulated and subordinate to those that do.
[–]Chakra_Devourer16 points17 points18 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. Try your best to not let stupid people lead. Stupidity kills.
[–]Teflon0819113 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The real problem is getting the stupid people out once they're in.
Impossible if you ask me. Sometimes you just have to let stupid run its course.
And it will.
[–]ParalyticPoison0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think that's pretty much the situation atm, that's why I've mostly disengaged in politics completely, i'm not going to be able to change anything with the idiot majority there currently is and the idiots that are currently in office.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol. idiots currently in office? TDS?
[–]Omfgmobilesucks8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
“Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything”
I cannot remember offhand who said that but it’s true nevertheless
[–]NotAnotherSimp0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I remember it as a quote from the movie Sucker Punch - "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything."
[–]ZergSuperHighway1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Youre subordinate to the same people whether you practice what you preach or not. Do you pay taxes and or have a job?
Are you one of the very few elite?
[–]where_muh_good_mens0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are only subordinate to that which you willingly give yourself to or are taken under conquest. If you engage in conduct or otherwise any activity that creates an external jurisdiction over you, then you are absolutely a slave to that which has done so.
If you wish to avoid these statutory or judicial chains then you must successfully defend yourself, who you are, who your true Master and Creator is, and what actions you have made. If you cannot prove ALL of this with evidence then you cannot be free. I am not sorry that incompetent people are not free. In fact I enjoy having that authority in place for those people as long as that authority also recognizes my true authority over them, which I have proof. If they do not, then government ceases to exist and there is in fact a tyrannical dictator fraudulently acting as government and enslaving the people. Since that has not happened then I conclude that the rule of law stands for those who have merit to practice it on their own behalf and to secure their liberties and to amass their own fortune and have that also be secured by his servants that have sworn and get paid to do so.
Everyone also asks about taxes. But what you should be asking is what purpose do actually have to anyone including God. Because then you will discover the answer and all of the world's deception comes to light.
I'll pray for you tonight zergsuperhighway. That you search not for knowlege but for love. That you pray not for financial superiority, but for an overflowing heart. That you make not a contentious tongue but a peaceful song.
[–]xero1300 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i've been trying to put this idea into words and you did just that. thank you!
[–]menlandedonthemoon35 points36 points37 points 7 years ago (42 children) | Copy Link
I used to be heavily active in politics years ago. Then I remembered something George Carlin said about voting a long time ago, "It's meaningless. This country was bought and sold a long time ago. The shit they shuffle around every four years (jerking off gesture) doesn't mean a fucking thing." Never forgot what history has shown us time and time again. If you want to have real and effective change in this world, you have to chop A LOT of heads off. Sure, you get a Gandhi now and then, I get it, so please don't bother me with those rare moments. Violence is the universal language of people.
[–]Cordigrass4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Aside from Violence, let me just add that money and sex is also a universal language for every red light district around the world.
[–]WanderlustYouth2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its because at the end of the day the only thing people "respect" is strength, you think people pay taxes because they want too, for the most part no but because they don't want to get their shit pushed in for not doing so.
[+]autoeroticassfxation-6 points-5 points-4 points 7 years ago* (39 children) | Copy Link
If you don't vote, you're handing over your democratic representation to everyone else who does. Just because most people are heavily manipulated by the media, doesn't mean that you shouldn't bother using your power.
This is possibly Carlin's weakest argument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxK6f2vYHCA
[–]menlandedonthemoon7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
Do you seriously believe we have any power or influence on politics? Just wow.
[–]autoeroticassfxation-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago* (22 children) | Copy Link
Well I do in my country, New Zealand. One of my friends is an economist who has advised many politicians, even the prime minister. We don't have the corruption problem that you have in the US. And the political discourse actually shifts the narrative. So my participation in political discussions does actually make a difference.
I am economically left though, that's because the fundamental issue with our economies is that too few people have enough money to participate as consumers. Our productive potential is significantly restricted by not having enough buyers of that productivity. The workers have been sidelined from our productive output for about 4 decades now. The 80's and 90's were really bad for people who make money from their labour. People who make money from merely sitting on their assets have been the big winners and are societies biggest beneficiaries.
And your vote certainly counts. The reason why we have the problems that we do today, is that the people who have been benefitting most from government policies have been most likely to to vote, so although they're no longer the majority with the disintegrating middle class, between their high voter turnout, and their control of the media, manipulating people into voting against their own best interests, they still hold nearly half of the representation, we're one of the few countries that have managed to dislodge the representation of the rich and powerful holding control of the government, but it's still pretty tenuous.
[–]where_muh_good_mens5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
You are very naive if you think that just because your government is working for you now, it will also in the future. I hope it works out for you though, being docile sheep for the slaughter. History has proven it does not, but this is CURRENT_YEAR, times are different.
PSsuhahahah aHahhahah, sorry, good luck with all that socialism.
[–]autoeroticassfxation2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
Democracy requires constant vigilance to maintain. What happened to the American spirit to fight for democracy? You were willing to fight and die for it all over the world! You're willing to just let it die in your own country? That's what's happened?
If your government was a democracy for the people and by the people, you would be able to trust it. You've just let it go through apathy and defeatism. And now your government works against you.
[–]where_muh_good_mens3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Democracy requires constant vigilance to maintain
It does. Which is why the most diligent, those who end up controlling the collective body through propaganda and deception are always the profiteers and the sheep, the un/willing participants are always the slaves.
What happened to the American spirit to fight for democracy?
That never existed. What you see on the media is called subversion. What you hear from the people is called confusion. What is actually the case, is that the American spirit is to be left alone and not be participating members of any communist collective corporate body. Those other people, albeit the majority, are foreigners to true americans.
You're willing to just let it die in your own country?
No, I am actively trying to kill it. As you should do the same.
That's what's happened.
No, what happened was that everyone decided to go to sleep and let foreigners take their responsibility from running the country and ensuring governmental tranquility. In allowing this usurpation, they have given up all their rights and have become aliens on their own land. They fraudulently push the private organization that has control over their communist faction as the government when it is nothing more than a for-profit private corporation. They have allowed communism to flourish and allowed governmental officials to serve themselves and their own interest, instead of that of the People. They did this by not holding those officials accountable under the de jure manifest that created the government for their benefit. So government receded back and the corporation calling itself government took the reigns.
Democracies will always oppress the people because the collective whole of society will always be favored over the individuals. What is good for the individual can no longer be decided by the individuals, and all humans lose their dignity for the ability to sit back and let other people do the hard work. Eventually the system is unsustainable as the majority are easily persuaded by platforms ran on compassion alone and eventually vote themselves off a cliff.
The true American Spirit resides in the true Americans who punish those who do evil, by holding government officials accountable by legally taking dominion over them, and reward those that protect private property and private rights, which most people do not have by way of being apart of the majority rule of law.
[–]autoeroticassfxation0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Once you help to kill democracy in your country, what do you think will replace it?
[–]where_muh_good_mens2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
My country, the actual government, is a representative republic. That already exists. By being a part of the democracy, where you are a participating member of the collective, you cannot also aid and reveal the representative republic.
Society is not ran by one form of government, but by the government that is instituted by men to protect private rights and property, the government that is ran by corporations to protect themselves and make slaves out of the people, and the government of each People who is self governed and is not ruled under any other.
In effect, you have fraud, where the democratic shills promote themselves as fundamental americans, when they are treasonous foreigners.
what do you think will replace it?
I don't want to replace the democratic tyrants, I WANT THEM FUCKING GONE.
[–]autoeroticassfxation0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Have you seen what happens in countries with power vacuums?... Warlords. Fun to fantasise about like some kind of dystopian sci-fi, but the reality is pretty grim.
Appreciate your freedom now. Fight to improve the system. Be realistic about what you'd have without it. Most of all, "play the cards as they lie".
The economist Henry George has the solutions that you're looking for. It's up to us to make it happen.
[–]WanderlustYouth1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If your government was a democracy for the people and by the people, you would be able to trust it.
Most people are stupid and lazy and the government is reflection of the people, the very fact that our government is the way it is, (most notably Europe,Canada,Spain,Australia, New Zealand to extent) just exemplifies this, since these are all democracy. Also the government works against anyone with common sense who isn't part of the herd...
[–]autoeroticassfxation1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
NZ finally has a government that is making progress for the working classes. The prime minister said in a speech that Neoliberalism has failed.
Every country gets the leadership they deserve - Joseph de Maistre.
[–]WanderlustYouth0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've noticed that many have a burning need to have someone be a messiah figure to them, its like they believe if they just their hope in the right candidate or political party then things will get better. Instead of just working on bettering their own lives, they just wait for someone else to do it, and when it eventually doesn't happen they keep holding out hope for the next and so on and so forth. I'd rather not live a life like that...
[–]CeleritySteam3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Ok vote for the guns back and the Muslims out.
Do do do do do do do... do do do do DO!
[–]autoeroticassfxation-2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I prefer to live in a society where nobody walks around with guns. The only time I've seen a gun is when I've been hunting, or target shooting. We like it knowing, you're not going to walk into assholes carrying military style weapons.
And we're not as Xenophobic as Australians and Americans, although we do have our fringe that are, the shooter was Australian.
[–]JamesFannin4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
“Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” - Benjamin Franklin
“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…” - Richard Henry Lee
“If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.” - George Washington
And what holds freedom of speech in place? The second amendment (right to own guns).
There is proof of this across the world. Just look at your country and the UK. In your country six people got arrested for sharing that video of the mosque shooting, really??? Also in Britain, Tommy Robinson sent to jail for reporting on Muslims who raped young girls??? Cmon guy, don’t be that dumb. Also, now that the UK is giving up guns (fortunately the gun turn in isn’t working out so well for them) then you’ll see massive problems in your future. Hint: Muslims like to use other weapons not related to guns too!
[–]autoeroticassfxation-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
"Those who let any psycho carry guns, will end up with lots of mass shootings." - Me
"If you walk around with a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail" - Abraham Maslow
If you list "self defence" as a reason why you should have a gun licence, you will not be granted a licence in NZ. Using guns on humans is just not acceptable in our society. Not even the cops are allowed to carry guns. It really helps to prevent escalation with the gangs.
It also means that it's far safer to have an unarmed fight. Which is an age old method of dispute resolution.
In NZ you can say what you like without the threat of being shot. In some regards banning guns liberates free speech.
You want proof: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/10-freest-countries-in-the-world.html
It's funny that you're claiming the US to be free when you have the highest prison population in the world per capita.
[–]JamesFannin4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Americans have carried guns since prior to the revolution. How come most mass shootings only started relatively recently? This indicates a severe mental health issue. So ban the people doing this not the gun itself.
Also, lefties only look at the short term so let me explain the long term. Here’s a very crude comparison. Communism killed about 100 million last century. So divide that by how many days of the year for 100 years and that’s how many gun deaths have to happen per day for you to technically consider banning guns. Now you’d have to size it down according to your country. Of course you wouldn’t be able to count suicides. This is what you get when you let lefties take control, in fact you could also technically add the 60-70 million murdered babies in the USA into that as well but we’ll call it 100 mil for the sake of this.
So now you have a "severe mental health issue" and a population armed to the teeth... enjoy your "free" dystopia. You're free to be shot, or chucked in prison for "resisting arrest" because your cops are PTSD riddled power trippers with guns, and your prison system is for profit resulting in severely warped incentives leading to the highest incarceration rate in the world. Happy days for Capitalism!
What does Communism have to do with having an unarmed population? I'm a mixed economist, which funnily enough is what both the US and NZ are already. We're both allowed to analyse every issue and make independent decisions about where we stand on them. Maybe that's a big problem in the US that everyone has to pick a side? Civic's isn't sport.
You sound like someone who's still under the influence of the "red scare" propaganda that lead to such proud situations as the Vietnam war.
The Russians were your damn allies in WW2 and they were Communists. You Americans are crazy.
Also worth considering how many people our Capitalism has killed if that's the metric by which you want to measure the system. It's relatively easy to tally it up to 120 million. And still far from exhaustive.
I think we can do far better economically that our current system or "Communism" can offer, but it requires reducing the corruption. That is the real challenge.
[–]CeleritySteam0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No one except your NWO government and your mosques full of armed invaders. Then after your island is cleared of those pesky peon regular people it becomes a safe haven for the elite. This is telegraphed a mile away, yet like good sheep kiwis fall for it.
[–]autoeroticassfxation0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I work in central Auckland and live nearby. I've lived all over Auckland, the biggest city, there's really not many Muslims here. And I've never seen one armed with any kind of weapon. If I were xenophobic, the expansion in the number of Chinese would be concerning. In reality I am mildly concerned about the rapid increase in the population from too much immigration contributing to excessive housing costs, but that's as much the fault of local and central government not capitalising on population growth to create a construction boom. Too many Nimby's.
[–]WanderlustYouth0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Isn't kiwi land the place where they are pretty much going to ban guns, and to an extent free speech.
[–]autoeroticassfxation1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If by banning speech you mean making snuff films illegal? Well they already were illegal. Just like child porn in the US. Our line in the sand is just slightly different from the US.
There have always been guns that were illegal in NZ, and we've never been allowed guns for the purposes of self defence. They just expanded the list of guns that are now illegal. I imagine even in the wild west that is the US there are limits to what guns you're allowed to possess?
[–]WanderlustYouth-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
20 years
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[–]autoeroticassfxation0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]SomethinLikDis0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In your day to day life do you use violence to solve your problems, no, then why would you elect a politician who is going to do exactly that. Is it immoral for you to do it, hiring somebody to do it in your name does not do magically become moral
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I don’t want somebody to represent me. I don’t think they should get paid to do politics, it’s not a legitimate occupation. If they want to do it in their free time then go ahead.
[–]autoeroticassfxation1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
So would you prefer anarcho-capitalism?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Something like that, but where the vast majority of adults do not leave school at age 21-28 and instead spend their lives reading, studying, and performing experiments while living simple individualistic lives instead of selling things to one another and trying to raise families.
[–]autoeroticassfxation0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
Sounds good to me. But reality requires a pragmatic approach. Personally I can see that the most successful economies require market regulation, progressive taxation and government spending to maintain balance, and support people, especially considering that the natural resources need to be managed and people are excluded from them by default, the people deserve government compensation for their exclusion from those resources. I personally think the pathway to what you describe is through a Universal Basic Income or citizens dividend funded by natural resource royalties including land taxes, pigovian taxes, and significantly progressive income taxes.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Yeah UBI maybe. But I don’t really want to change anything so I don’t take a pragmatic approach. I’m a pure idealist. Somebody needs to shine light on the ultimate goals of a perfect society. I don’t care if it makes me miserable or useless.
[–]autoeroticassfxation0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You've got me confused. You like the idea of the perfect society with the ultimate goals, but you don't want to change anything from what we have today?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The effort and compromise required on my part to affect change is too great so I say fuck it and live entirely in my imagination.
[–]autoeroticassfxation0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
I know what you mean. I prefer to keep vigilant, apply pressure in the ways that I can. But always, always play the cards as they lie. Democracy is too precious to let it die through defeatism.
A great game where you get to play government is Democracy 3. I found it fantastic for my imagination.
Who cares, im a man going his own way. Also since we're in a country where most people are stupid and women can vote and they are 51% of the voter base, ALL political candidates will defer to them which usually means more welfare and big daddy government interfering. Regardless of whether or not I vote, I can't overturn the majority rule, and even if I could I don't particularly care about the destiny of the country, just my own which I can control.
[–]NoCharism17 points18 points19 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
id love to become a patriarchal candidate, but i think id only receive hate, because society isnt ready for a patriarchy
[–]trapperzz11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Wtf are you on about mate. Meritocracy, individualism and fuck bitches
[–]Darth_Toenail18 points19 points20 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's what he said. Patriarchy.
[–]dankturtle34402 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
THIS.
[–]TheLastMgtow4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It depends. If you are a benevolent patriarchal candidate, then its about time huge numbers will be on board, but still only men. But any signs of tradcuck, or far right and you will have the hate of the left and the hate of free men.
[–]Cordigrass1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Patriarchy: A society run by Patrick? :-P
[–]trapperzz0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re thinking of padriarghy
[–]Praeda184 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The irony of the instagram tag in the bottom corner hurts my soul.
[–]FishWhisker5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've recently decided to take a more active role in politics. Online debates are generally useless.
[–]Malbek6044 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not anymore, I quit the cuckservative party in my country as they are just another version of a globalist, nationalism-hating party that has sold my birthright under my feet to foreign despots. We'll need a general global war and the attendant social collapse before the course we are on can be corrected. To keep it that way, the franchise must be restricted to land owners that have completed a term of national service.
[–]Helikzhan4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the reason for the boom and bust civilization cycles.
As life improves people medicate and play escapist into less risky endeavors. They cede more and more responsibility to the state which allows even more escapism.
Slowly the state grows more and more powerful until it's large enough to seize the means of production and life starts to decline for the escapist.
Eventually life becomes intolerable and the escapists wake from their dream. Blood is spilled and rights are restored. For a little while.
[–]Soldierbosh2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't engage, either in work politics, or local politics. It's affected my career for sure. As to local or national politics, it's for driven alpha types, and status is vital. I've never understood status, maybe I'm just a sperg.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Even by voting there are more dumb people than smart ones. Maybe in the past it was different. At least women couldn't vote...
[–]SneakyRat671 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sadly true. Mob-ocracies are a real thing and we have been degenerating into one for some time. Universal suffrage is the plague to any democracy and is gives rise to demagogues.
[–]jonathino0011 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And the same is true of reproduction.
[–]Cordigrass1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nein! I don't want want fools and cowards to run my country in our 2022 elections(Philippines).
For mein American brothers out there: Vote wisely this 2020. Make sure the West is still the best and torture those Thot's by not giving them your time.
[–]roflcopt0rz_returns1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Recently I've beeng etting into more politics, but it's mostly just to pass time and laugh at how ridiculous the left has become (and simultaneously worried that they're actually mainstream). I know there's no way to actually save the current system; we have too many stupid and ignorant and selfish people voting (majority women, but there are certainly plenty of men who don't deserve to vote either).
It's basically MGTOW except less "extreme". The system cannot be saved and it will collapse, but you can educate and save people to protect themselves.
I do personally lean right (though I've been left for most of my life, only switching over recently) on most issues, and in particular I believe that conservatives are easier to convert into MGTOWs than liberals.
[–]fuckoffplsthankyou1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you want peace, stay away from politics.
[–]Ukhupa1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's good to know the rules (the written and unwritten ones) to know how to not get abused by the system. They don't care about us, just want to grasshop to the next position, and if they fail, whatever, they can return to their previous position like nothing happened. Try that on any other field.
The problem of democracy is that it allows the informed and uninformed to vote equally and the politicians always seek the vote of the uninformed more than the informed.
[–]DrekkiWolfStorm1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I stay away from it because I tend to piss people off with my views and blunt honesty. It's cost me many friends, mostly female, but many nonetheless.
[–]AcrobaticAge1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Politicians indeed work for the people who put them there. Do you want your opinion to actually matter? Become a wealthy businessman or drug lord, they are the ones who put politicians in their offices.
[–]jedicreed0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It has been my burden knowing this my whole life. Decided that it’s best to involve in politics as much as I can, although deliberately knowing that I shouldn't.
[–]Diogeneplz10 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Too late for me. I'll vote and shit, but the hell am I getting into that hornet's nest.
[–]ShitstormTrooper6660 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I used to, but things keep getting worse and worse so I have to pick a side.
It is not intelligence to avoid politics. That mentality is why you're being demographically replaced and don't even realize it. Nothing is more NPC than that.
Plato was a moron.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a German immigrant to Austria I had to wait six years until I could vote for regional elections. But I was instantly "allowed" to pay taxes and social insurance contributions.
Moreover, I am intellectually unable to cope with the details of the paper work if I want to vote here - regionally or as a German citizen for a German election or as a European citizen for a European election.
So I am very happy that I am not smart enough to engage in politics. :-) And I am not crooked enough for it anyway.
If politics bothers you, you haven't yet amassed a big enough fortune.
I follow politics but that's just for my own interests. It helps keep me informed about exit plans, where to avoid, etc... But I don't participate. Voting with my political views at best is pointless. At worst it's used by those still in the system to implly I have given consent to whatever fucked up scheme those in charge have come up with.This was a lesson I learned the one time I voted
[–]Throwviews0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Those who are smarter in general are always punished by idiots.
[–]RemoteGuava0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The best way to cause change is to spread ideas. If possible, make people laugh.
[–]FunkyCannaHigh0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
"America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
That is where I am at in the grand scheme of things. I still vote Libertarian every election but I am not stupid, I know the lowest common denominator in politics *usually* wins. The tribe mentality of left vs right is so ingrained in everyone that no amount of participation in politics will help. Americans want free shit and services as long as the rich pay for it. The rich = anyone who has more money/things than them.
We also have the problem of the mouth breathers out breeding intelligent Americans. Intelligent people have none, one or two kids because that is all they can afford. Mouth breathers just multiply as much as they want because they can either get a free abortion on-demand or just have the kids. The government is the baby-daddy and the sugar daddy! Free day care, free universal kindergarten, free health care, subsidized housing, subsidized cell phones, subsidized health care, free k-12 education for the kids, subsidized lunches at school, free college and so on.
I am just waiting for America to truly vote socialist or communist. When people come to take my land/things to redistribute them OR to have them publicly owned I will be voting from my rooftop. I will be writing in that vote with the .338 Lapua, and 5.56, and my personal favorite, a .308
[–]MenGoingTOWin0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Depends.
Do I blindly follow a party or ideology? Hell no.
Do I think for myself and try to best educate people on the truth and expose those trying to destroy America, and the world? Hell yeah.
[–]LotBuilder0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I vote but I don’t give it much attention outside of Election Day
[–]devok10 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
women vote so our votes dont matter.
[–]GuyChamomille0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There's no point getting involved in politics, especially in Latin America; Brazil was a miracle in this last election. All the political scene is drenched with socialism and the eternal ignorance of people propels more socialism. The electorate deserves the kind of politicians they have. MGTOW has helped me not giving a damn about politics anymore. The only solution for tearing down the current system is not feeding it with the so called "democracy".
[–]ka0t1k0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
These liberal communists want to give the country away to foreigners. I'm barely starting my career so i'd prefer to remain american for now.
[–]Disposable__Male0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I used to, but without a wife or family I ran out of things to distract me from the great work.
[–]avtarius0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not in a position to change the world, so don't bother.
Either bend the rules of this illogical ecosystem, or just exit it.
[–]krkpatrck0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I used to now I cant help it.
[–]r80010 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I avoid this shit as fire now. I was getting into it when Trump was elected (most fun I ever had on reddit -- all the lefts' tears! It was glorious!), but eventually I realized that at least in this case ignorance is bliss.
[–]U-940 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Politics in every country is 99% defined by blood. If you weren't born into a affluent, connected network - you're going nowhere.
Im pretty much apolitical, I only really care about controlling my own destiny and not looking towards the government as some sort of savior figure like most seem to do. Also since I live in a democracy and majority of people are kinda stupid it doesn't matter what I do, eventually societal collapse will happen. All I care about now is gaining the skills, knowledge, and strength to overcome future obstacles
[–]HelpPliz4100 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i whould do that tho , just to make the world free
Freedom or death!
[–]GetGetFresh-2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Yang gang 2020 let’s secure that bag. Don’t be a pussy and be scared of money now. 1000 + 1000 + 1000 + 1000 + 1000 + + 1000 + . 1000 + 1000 + 1000 + 1000 + 1000 + + 1000 per year. 12000 is a 12000 is a 12000 is a 12000. Let’s get that money.
[–]Megitgud5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Oh did you say free money? What could possibly go wrong!?
[–]GetGetFresh-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
1)Allocate a large percentage of the current unnecessarily high military spending to UBI 2)VAT- value added tax on tech transactions every amazon transaction, Facebook ads, robot truck mile etc 3)Tax corporation by eliminating legal loopholes- Amazon, Walmart etc have paid 0 in tax on profits.
Also a lot of that money will be going back into the economy as everyday Americans are likely to spend in the mainstream economy such as paying for rent, groceries, occasional night out, tutoring for their kids etc and inflation will be negligible because price will be dictated by consumer demand. 1000 dollars a month is not enough to quit a job is more fitted to being a supplemental income for basic life maintenance expenses. And it’s not just a handout for a handout because you’re an American its also a preventative measure for the welfare of the people supporting the backbone of the currently service and retail dominated winner take all economy if AI and automation is kept unchecked.
[–]aenigme3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
1)Allocate a large percentage of the current unnecessarily high military spending to UBI
High Military spending is a myth. SSI, Medicaid/care, Child Tax credits and the ACA make up 60% of the Federal Budget (the interest alone on our debts make up another 7%). And your solution is to add to that?
2) VAT- value added tax on tech transactions every amazon transaction, Facebook ads, robot truck mile etc
Andrew Yang uses fuzzy math for his proposal of a 10% VAT to support $1,000/month in UBI for each individual. That means each individual would need to spend, on average, $120,000/year to make up the difference. And anyone who tells you that a VAT does not effect the COG, is lying to you (remember, they are the same people that hate tariffs for the exact same reason).
3)Tax corporation by eliminating legal loopholes- Amazon, Walmart etc have paid 0 in tax on profits.
I agree with the first part (the second part is a bold face lie). Now, can you convince Ireland and Switzerland to cooperate?
[–]GetGetFresh-2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Doesn’t matter how much money is what percentage of what we don’t need that obscene spending period myth fables legends memes whatever. Money is all numbers going up and down backed by fugazzi fairy named “confidence” and at the basic core of it all food and the shit that goes in and out of the mouth and anus is what’s keeping this loose game together and it has been since the beginning of concept of economy . You do realize we don’t need whatever the budget is for anything at all because it’s all empty funding that the agencies (a lot of them that don’t do jack shit and exist for the sake of bureaucratic existence) have to accept because they don’t want their spending slashed. It’s always been about proper allocation and efficient use of funds to fix that problem.
[–]aenigme0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's the biggest goal post shift I've seen all week.
All month.
[–]sloths_templar508-3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
this isn't the quote, the quote is "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." and that isn't an excuse for r/iamverysmart people to excuse them self from politics. this means that if you do say that you're too high and mighty to participate, then you've condemned yourself to poor leadership
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