Alpha with low self esteem

Z33ger · 2017-04-26T23:25:30+00:00

There is a difference between berating and shaming someone and busting their balls.

Unsolicited insults-putting others down for no reason is a sign of insecurity. It is something women do. Women shame betas because betas, like women, lack emotional resilience.

Giving someone shit, especially a fellow man, is a form of comaraderie and character building when done with grace. Being able to take shit from someone and not allowing it to influence your thoughts and actions is a sign of emotional maturity, manhood.

The problem that you're elucidating stems from the fact that there is a tendency confuse and conflate the two. This is because many people, yourself included, lack the pre required emotional stability to discern this language for what it truly is.

GEN_GOTHMOG · 2017-04-26T22:28:23+00:00

No one here is putting down betas. Thats not what this subreddit is about. We don't come here and learn ways to harass and belittle beta males in real life. We come here to kill the beta inside of us.

Support and guidance is largely available in the Red Pill regarding game and how to become alpha, self improve and generally increase the quality of your own life. I don't know what you've been reading but it seems this post is irrelevant, however we all empathise with your pain.

RGH44 · 2017-04-26T22:27:19+00:00

You have to understand that some people will engage the negative energy and use it to propel them in the right direction. This subreddit is a map to a specific destination. It isn't the way for all, it is for some.

Your inability to forgive yourself is pretty beta. I hope you see that you're in where you are because of this. Your negativity to yourself may have gotten you material wealth but what's the point if all you got is hate/depression/rage/indifference.

Roaring40sUK · 2017-04-27T08:44:37+00:00

I would say 2 things to you.

First, your Dad made the decision to end his own life. That's on him, not you.

Second, you were only 13, you do not need to take responsibility for this. You need to forgive yourself and make sure, you dont repeat the cycle of depression and suicide. If necessary get help.

GayLubeOil · 2017-04-26T22:50:07+00:00

Regardless of the amount of shit talking and masterbating that happens beneath the beautiful florescent glow of computer screens, I can tell you that your problem is yourself and nothing else.

You hold the key to your own happiness. You hold the key to unlocking the solutions to whatever problems you are facing. What's obvious from this post is that you are externalizing your problems onto others.

I can't stop you from doing that just as I can stop the Alpha masterbators from jerking off on your chest. However only you can fix you. Which is why my advice is to spend less time watching angry boys jerk it on the internet.

LordThunderbolt · 2017-04-27T03:47:22+00:00

It sounds like you buried all your emotional issues and carried on with life. They just recently caught up to you and wrecked your frame. Nobody is alpha all the time and you're not a robot. Failure is for everyone. Just get back up.

SanjayMethylPump · 2017-04-27T00:19:25+00:00

My brudda.

You are a good guy, and misunderstand some of the folks here. I will be your protector and will verbally kick the cunt of anyone who insults you.

You have my word.

RGH44 · 2017-04-27T08:42:00+00:00

I understand you completely. Mid-2015 I had everything I could want at my age. That changed very quickly due to circumstances entirely outside of my control, but my attitude and actions surrounding those circumstances made it so, so much worse. It happens to a lot of people.

Your story resonates with me especially because I just pulled my father out of rehab 2 weeks ago for the drinking problem he developed 20 years before I was even born, largely surrounding his own mother's suicide. He is a very warm, humorous and hard-working man, but I've learned a lot I never knew about him since he retired and basically went into free-fall. Without a family to support (we're all adults now) and no job to go to and a wife who is still years from retiring he basically leapt headfirst into the bottle because he never addressed his own self-esteem issues.

I resented him after finding TRP back in 2013 because I felt like he (truly an alpha male) had really short-changed me by teaching me about Christianity growing up rather than teaching me about women and the world, which is what his father, who was an Army officer, a retired FBI agent and a lawyer, taught him about growing up. Nowadays I understand that he associates a lot of his formative years with pain and misery and wanted to separate me from those things, even though it wasn't his father's wisdom that created it, it was his mother's mental health issues.

I hope you get your shit sorted out and I hope you get yourself back on track. I'm climbing out of my own tail-spin, so know that you aren't alone.

As for putting people down- this sub is not to coddle. Marble can't be carved with feathers. We speak harshly here because we seek to break people free of their own societally- and sometimes self-imposed delusions. And it works.

NeoreactionSafe · 2017-04-27T13:10:47+00:00

You weren't Alpha.

Let me repeat that... you weren't Alpha.

sc1690 · 2017-04-27T03:40:23+00:00

You need to let go of the pain, your Dad's passing was by his own hand and regardless of the letter it really was his own act. You were 13, let that sh*t go. Set more goals, lift weights and realise you can't change the past but you can change the future. Peace and good luck bro.

telenoobies · 2017-04-27T04:59:43+00:00

bro, its ok to be emotional. I actually find low self esteem a key ingredient to success, so long as you channel the negative energy into creating something positive. It's ok not to be prideful 24/7, in fact, pride is what blinds us and leads people into making poor life choices. Because of your low self esteem, you developed work ethics, you learned team work, you learned to control your emotions, you learned to carry heavy responsibilities on your shoulders, you learned to be a man before you were done being a teenager. It's a gift and a curse. Embrace it, and let it go. Everything is just an illusion anyways.

gistaminute · 2017-04-27T08:15:08+00:00

To all you "alpha" on this online site who go and put down "betas" on the Internet. I say shame on you, life can change at any moment. The reason for this post: I can't believe all the shit talking people do behind their computer screens.

People who shame betas must get removed quick because I don't see it much. We say kill the beta, but many/most of use were/are in a very beta life and know we're here to fix that.

Seems like a pretty obvious troll. Hurr durr never used reddit, let me just edit but not write edit on it to show how new I am hurr durr.

Flagged for moralizing

wheresMYsteakAt · 2017-04-27T19:07:03+00:00

You lost me here:

To all you "alpha" on this online site who go and put down "betas" on the Internet. I say shame on you, life can change at any moment.

You realize when we put the betas, the chumps, the cucks down we are demonizing the behavior not the person right? Myself, when I put one down I am actually putting myself down when I did things exactly like the poster who I'm criticizing. I'm in a very good place now and have been lucky to have had a good run, but I started off a beta and I am aware that under the right circumstances I could be betafied again. These criticism, potshots, snide remarks are all directed at me as reaffirmations that I am on the right path and to be mindful of things that can cause it to change. In all honesty the beta (or man in the beta stage) will never hear the message when he is weak.

Maybe in the prehistoric days we would round up a crew of elder men and beat you until you toughened up but due to the internets nature of long geographical distance and our society not valuing that anymore we have to use social ostracization to hopefully bring you back into the fold and/or prevent others from thinking failure will be met with people comforting you.

We are men, we are guaranteed to fail at some point in our lives and again and again. That is what makes man evident at the leading gender, he does not stop until he is dead. To be honest some of the most thrilling and rewarding times are immediately following a crushing defeat both in physical things and the mental wellbeing of seeing you literally rebuild yourself.

2017-04-27T07:41:37+00:00

Yea it was a little more than that.

AdventureToRedPill · 2017-04-27T09:11:32+00:00

Use that feeling as a motivation, everyone has to feel like that at anytime of time even I suffer that same thing. That feeling of emptiness, I bet everyone has but we are still here, moving forward, keep on working on yourself you've achieve a lot. I bet, nott everyone on this subreddit ever done a charity thing. Keep your head up, you know what they say hater gonna hate. So who cares they're just keep typing with Doritos on their left hands. Fuck them.

RGH44 · 2017-04-27T11:39:59+00:00

Look, you are responsible for yourself and maybe for your kids. That's it.

Your father should have been strong for YOU not the other way around.

Noone here can feel what you feel BUT: in no universe is his fucking suicide your fault. No matter the reasons! He somehow failed to deal with his problems which lead to depression and he killed himself. It probably wasn't even his fault, life is hard and upbringing of men and boys is shit since the 1960's! (holywood being a major factor).

Welcome to the Internet bitch! The best place on earth! Why ? Because its the only place on the planet where people tell you that you are and produce shit, if you are or produce shit.

Being called out for your failures is the best thing that can happen to you! Its the only way to realize your shortcomings and improve on them. Why would you care about what anyone says on the internet ?

NikoMyshkin · 2017-04-27T15:42:23+00:00

hey, reading your OP I think that you would strongly benefit from this book. it is a very condensed read in that there are no wasted words. i disagree with the author on other subjects (like feminism, which in later life she distanced herself from) but on this topic she nails a lot of what I observe in other people. why they act the way they do, what ultimately motivates them. she is very, very observant, and simply recognising the true nature & cause of your feelings and ultimately behaviour can have a massive beneficial impact.

deeman010 · 2017-04-27T15:53:12+00:00

How'd you deal with the regret? I did some things a few years ago that still haunts me. It feels weird seeing everyone else move on with their lives but I'm still here, still as weak. If I'd had done things a bit differently, so much people would be better off.

I haven't thought about what I've done for a long time, it just kinda hit after I was reminded by it.

David_029_Tredecies · 2017-06-21T12:28:11+00:00

Unfortunately, Redpill is intended to shame you until you get stronger. This is about being the strongest lone wolf among the alpha, a test of struggle. Swimming with the sharks.

I know your feel man. We're the same but my circumstances is different from yours. I lost my grandpa while at the age of 5 and I haven't shared with him as I seek my missing link and my dad was a great extroverted social talker and smart.

I was the opposite and a trying-hard loser. I lack social power but I compensate through research, monk mode, saving money, and some lift. Listening to music really helped me to reflect and regain power, especially positive ones.

By the way, if you read the book "No More Mr. Nice Guy" and you will know this: fear of abandonment and a child needs guidance. It's a problem of learning process to be the better version of yourself. You need help otherwise.

throw17453 · 2017-04-27T06:02:29+00:00

There are people here that will mock and belittle "beta's" "bluepillers" or any kind of perceived weakness or inferiority, and revel in it.

It's a sign of an inferiority complex. A neediness to be recognised as superior, and think of themselves as better than. Really it is - at root - one of the most pathetic characteristics a human can have, once they reach an age older than about 21.

Overtly the justification will be "busting balls" or reminding people why not be be beta's. But let's be real, some people here create a little mental podium for themselves because they have super secret knowledge of society, and attraction, and crave being recognised as superior to stroke their fragile ego's.

I don't see loads of it here - but enough that your post is worthwhile.

RGH44 · 2017-04-27T17:26:05+00:00

Ok, little brother.

Sometimes it is hard to self-diagnose things. As an objective observer with no horse in your particular race, I'll do my best to help.

So now I'm going to take time out of my life to provide some valuable insights for you. IKR? Im such a great guy.

Here it goes:

Fuck you. Nobody cares. Get over it.

You're welcome.

RGH44 · 2017-04-27T18:52:41+00:00

Consider: Did your dad want you to find that note? It'd be a nice little additional 'fuck you' to the world by screwing his kid up even more after taking his own life.

I think committing suicide takes balls. It's not cowardly; it's an act of desperation where you take back control. However, it is also selfish. And if you have a kid you're the most self centered thing you can do - because there's no way it's not going to affect your children.

I understand you love your dad, but he fucked you up. While, as a rule, I don't like therapists, you might want to talk with someone about this. You're not soft; you're a human who has been fucked over. Look after yourself.

RGH44 · 2017-04-27T22:33:31+00:00

oh boy o boy o boy....thats some hard stuff you are throwing down the throats of people.

Let me tell you this first. I do not and I repeat, I DO NOT wish your misfortune unto anybody. Not even people I dont like. I just dont.

However, I think you are also "trolling" right now and before you think, that I am just another "bad guy" pls read on first.

I think you are "trolling" without knowing. You tell a sad story, so sad in fact that most people here will not even ask if it is even true, because that would be "rude". Even in the "infinite freedom" of internet most people will have the basic decency, to refrain from pushing you too hard.

However, most "trolling" you speak of, is not trolling per se but is perceived as such, by people with different viewpoints on life. Let me give you an example:

If a non religious person posts a reply saying "god does not exist, its all made up", then from his perspective he is only saying what he is thinking but a strictly religious person might feel this as an insult and therefore "trolling". The same can be the other way around.

So when some guys in this forum talk about "Alphas" and "Betas", they mostly do not do so to insult people or shame them or make them feel bad. They do not post their theories to make somebody miserable, quite the opposite, they want to share their experience in the hopes to help others better themselves.

Why? because karma, because what goes around comes around. If we manage to get some guys out of their misery, then we will have a world with more stable characters with which we can build healthy friendships with or we will have more guys working constructively on things that will better all our lives, instead of crying their eyes out with a bottle of cheap booze.

Please do understand that the world is not just your family or your immediate surroundings. The world is full of different people with different characters, attitudes, lifestyles, viewpoints, believes, interests and so on. Before trying to change 7 Billion People, try changing yourself first.

Start by not taking everything some RIG (Random Internet Guy/Gal) writes in the Internets too seriously. Give Information Priority.

For example: Information from trusted and well known sources = high Priority or take more seriously

Information from some RIG = low Priority or utilize more scepticism

If you manage this, then you will be less easily the target of so called "trolling".

If however you CANT manage, because you have serious mental problems that get worse rather then better, then it might be best to stay away from it. I know that sounds harsh to tell you to basically stay away from the Internet but in your situation, I think "hard" is no stranger to you.

P.S. Start with my post if you will. Remember, I am a RIG. You dont know me, I could be anybody, I could be a Bot for all you know. So whatever I say here, take it if you must but think about it before you take any action based on it (yes I am aware of the paradox I just created...cant help it though :) )

I_Need_More_Space_ · 2017-04-27T04:23:05+00:00

You're a Troll of the Mangina variety. Grow a pair before you post again.

RGH44 · 2017-04-27T05:58:27+00:00

In the last 12 month I have stoped 2 men from killing them selfs. Both had been Married bla bla same old story. I told them to stop being little bitches and sort your shit out.

Archwinger · 2017-04-27T17:18:25+00:00

Sounds like you just barely missed the last generation where boys actually grew up into men and got raised, fatherless, in the midst of the self-esteem special snowflake era.

So now, when normal men banter with other normal men the way that normal men talk, it sounds like a bunch of unchecked aggression, anger, toxicity, and hatred to your fragile little special snowflake ears.

Oh, poor you! You've had a past trauma! You're in therapy! How can people be so insensitive by saying general things about people in general that you take personally because you're a special snowflake?!

You sound like a fucking woman.

19RomeoQuebec · 2017-04-27T21:16:24+00:00

I'm curious to know what the note said.

Was it like peace out, I'm gone.
Or what is more along the lines of I left a cake in the oven, Im gonna be pretty busy for eternity. Will you check on it every now and then. I don't like when the edges burn.

By reading your post I was trying to figure out what your intentions are or were. I believe it is validation, that what you say matters to people. Sorry to bust your bubble, but no one gives a flying fuck about your dad, at least I don't. There are thousands if not millions of abused children around the globe, struggling and surviving. They are not complaining. Hopefully you gain a bit of perspective,

Your dad is dead, so in his memory, we should be fucking bitches. For when I die, I pray Bro's are FUCKING SLUTS in my honor. Now that would be legendary.

On a side note, you should be happy he did that, he didn't get to instill those beta traits in you.

Title	Alpha with low self esteem
Author	RGH44
Upvotes	59
Comments	88
Date	April 26, 2017 10:15 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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