Paying for Women

RedPillCaveman · 2013-07-04T08:20:21+00:00

I have honest-to-God laughed in a few women's faces when they asked if I was going to take them out to eat and literally said, "I'll take you out to eat after we fuck."

Every single one got super offended but super aroused. Like, offendaroused.

yankeetiger · 2013-07-04T00:24:27+00:00

Split the bill. The vast majority of men who take out women pay for them, and it sets an expectation that you'll take care of her financially without needing to have sex with you.

VZPurp · 2013-07-04T03:25:09+00:00

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mrust · 2013-07-09T17:45:51+00:00

In general, don't pay unless you know exactly what you're doing.

It's not the prerogative of the man to pay.

There are situations where I'll pay:

In certain foreign countries
Out of convenience (busy bar and all she wants is a coke)
I have attraction and not paying will fuck up logistics or increase chance of LMR (Example: We are about to get out of the taxi at my house)

There are times you should NEVER pay:

Buying a drink because a girl asks you to
Paying for a girl you just met
Buying dinner for two on a date before you've fucked
Girl claims she "forgot" to bring her wallet

A couple of recent situations where the topic of payment came up:

Took a Russian girl out to dinner. Check arrives, and I notice she is not reaching for her wallet. I don't say anything, just continue with conversation. Waiter comes once, I wave them off. Waiter comes a second time, I say we're not ready yet. Girl goes to the bathroom, comes back and check is still on the table (It's been like 40 minutes since we finished eating). She got the hint. Next step would have been to make it explicit, but in general that's a losing move. Russian girls will expect man to pay every time because especially in Moscow, that's what happens. Just keep your frame.

Took a girl out to a bar, even though she made it clear she's not drinking that night. I go to the bar, and pay for her coke. She asks me "Can I give you some money?" I wave it off. Next time we met, she bought first round.

Met up with an ex after not seeing her for about 2 years. I bought a bottle of wine. We were having a good time and she got the second bottle. We meet again a week later and I get the first round. We finish drinking and I tell her "It's your shout." And she asks if I'm serious. She thought she had the upper hand. I said "We don't have to drink another round, we can just go home." At that point I didn't care if she came home with me. She kept asking if I was upset, but I really wasn't. Just disappointed that she's trying to pull this BS on me. Didn't call her back after that night.

To get the girl to pay, your first choice should be to make it implicit. Your second option is to make a joke of it "That beer isn't going to pay for itself". Your next option is to tell a story where the moral is that every one pay for themselves. If all that fails, use shaming tactics; make it clear you won't date lower-class women / gold diggers / moochers / oppressed women opposed to equality ... Use whatever label you think will be most effective. Don't accuse her or make her defensive! Just say that behaviour speaks for itself. If you're still at a loss, call the waiter and ask for separate bills. Pay for your shit, then walk away and don't ever call her again.

puaSenator · 2013-07-04T07:02:24+00:00

At a bar with some girl you just met, never. NEVER. I've never bought a girl I don't know a drink unless she deserved it. For instance, she was doing a standup routine and I thought she killed it. But that's sheerly out of respect or new friendship. If it's some girl I've never met and I'm interested in her, not a chance. I don't know her and she doesn't deserve handouts for just being attractive.

This is why I don't go on dates to have dinner. It's expected in our society to pay for dinner when on a date, and if you try to split it, you come off as cheap. A lot of the betas in alpha clothing around here would say something like, "Fuck that bro, she isn't fucking me, I aint paying for shit!" Don't listen to them. If it's a first date, you're expected to pay for dinner sheerly out of cultural norms -- it has nothing to do with being a BP or RP person.

So simply just don't get to know a new person by going on a typical "first date". Usually I'll just invite them out and get rounds of drinks with them.

TerrorTanuki · 2013-07-04T02:18:11+00:00

I'll pay for s### if I'm banging them, before that you're playing a fools game.

I've done rounds with one girl in a club before, she bought the first and I bought the second ect.

Something like the Cinema would be "I'll buy the tickets you buy the food".(always buy the item that is set in stone i.e) the tickets)

First dates and stuff are kinda beta in my opinion. If you arrange a date a few days in advanced she's basically told all her friends(her friends are the biggest c###blockers), so she doesn't want to come off as a slut so you're essentially prolonging how long it will take to get laid if everything goes according to plan.

Setting up the date

A good plan would be to spring a date on her.

Ring her up

You : What are you doing ?

Her : Nothing (will more than likely be)

You : Get ready, I'm coming over in 10 minutes, we're going somewhere

Her : What are we doing ?

You : I'll see you in 10 (Hang up)

Women are nosey b####es and something like this will make you appear exciting. Also she cannot ring up her friends and try and interpret different meanings from the conversation.

The Date

You want to pick something that's not putting you out of pocket. Think of items you own and can utilise(surfboards, bikes , picnic basket) different talents you have(carpentry - Building Birdhouses, shooting, fishing) something that you're a boss at but something that the average joe could also pick up on day one.

Physical activities give you the opportunity to kino. Think about how if you spent an hour with someone you've never met before, for that hour you kicked a ball around with them or watched a tv program which option would be better for bonding.

The cinema date is good for beginners but I personally think it's a waste of money. People go to the cinema because it's the easy option(boring) and you have something to talk about after. (DVD at home > Cinema)

Ideally you want to get to know her and make her feel like you have a connection(women love fairytales & romance).

Say stuff like :

I've never gotten on with someone so well that I barely know.

It feels like we've known each other for ages.

We're so comfortable around each other.

(These lines will only work if you're dominant and have a presence, they're not going to work if you've only said two words to each other)

The more comfortable you are with a chick the easier it is to get in her pants.

The date could literally be anything but the important things on the date are :

1 - Figuring this chick out and how she operates. When some people go on dates everything they've read and learned goes out the window. Treat this like a job and observe her body language. Ask open ended questions (yes/no answers lead to boring conversations)

2 - Make your intentions clear. If she doesn't know what's up at the end of the date you're doing something wrong.

3 - Portray yourself well. BE FUN.

4- Logistics : Poor logistics lead to poor results. You want to transition from the date back to your house without making it seem obvious(ask her is she hungry). Stop off at a grocery store on the way home get some food & alcohol. You can then transition from Date → Shopping → Your house → Kitchen(get her to help you cook) → Movie → Bedroom.

Exactly_what_I_think · 2013-07-04T00:26:52+00:00

She pays for her I pay for me. Any complaints on her part are a shit test and should be treated as such.

mazzyTuff · 2013-07-04T07:14:54+00:00

Don't pay for shit.

Pay for yourself only.

If you're paying for a woman, buy a professional.

They're at least honest about it.

GayLubeOil · 2013-07-04T20:17:27+00:00

Never Pay for a woman ever. Last week this girl went on a first date with a guy to a fancy restaurant, she really enjoyed herself and even gave him a kiss goodnight. Then she came over to my house told me all about it and I fucked her. Do yourself a favor and don't be the first guy in the story.

TerrorTanuki · 2013-07-04T00:38:27+00:00

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rebuildingMyself · 2013-07-04T05:28:36+00:00

Only in an LTR and she makes significantly less money than me. First dates are usually cost-effective (coffee for example) so even if I pay and she flakes after I'm out a few bucks instead of a huge expensive betameal.

favours_of_the_moon · 2013-07-04T01:34:25+00:00

You only pay her to leave.

VZPurp · 2013-07-04T02:37:52+00:00

Don't pay for her, that's foolish. Women have access to not only their own money, but that of other men. An attractive girl can get by quite easily; they're used to free stuff on the regular.

I'd say go for compliance testing. Have her do stuff for you. Give her commands and see how she responds. You don't have to try to get her to pay, but if you can, even better. If she responds favorably it only reinforces her liking of you.

t21spectre · 2013-07-04T06:08:41+00:00

First, don't ever do dinner, the more time you have to spend talking with her the more likely you are to say/do something that shoots you in the foot. Second, your "dates" should be in the evening and somewhere that's primary purpose is to consume alcohol. Remember, your trying to fuck her, not hear about their kitty cat and how much they hate their boss for an hour and a half while sitting at Applebee's.

On the money note, $30 or less, zero is optimal.

2013-07-04T03:31:46+00:00

I usually split the bill but sometimes I'll cover sometime she covers. Just go back and forth.

redpillschool · 2013-07-04T13:16:39+00:00

If I see her more than once, I take turns paying. Then when it's her turn I'm a total dick and order expensive things.

(to be fair, I also order expensive things when I'm paying.)

chiffonade- · 2013-07-04T20:00:35+00:00

if i just met them, i don't buy anything.

if a girl is out specifically with me, i will only buy drinks

if we've already fucked, i'll buy dinner every once in a while

i also buy lunch/dinner occasionally for my buddies and employees so i see this as equal treatment when a woman is already in my good graces, i.e. we're banging

2013-07-04T03:14:07+00:00

never lol

2013-07-04T15:01:33+00:00

I do it this way: if they want/expect me to pay, fuck off I ain't paying shit.

But if they are insecure about me paying, I'll sure as hell do it. It's a way to show dominance and intimidate if you can afford it, I do the same thing for my friends. They look up to me.

SpawnQuixote · 2013-07-04T02:33:40+00:00

You can buy 1 drink to break the ice.

Title	Paying for Women
Author	TerrorTanuki
Upvotes	14
Comments	35
Date	July 4, 2013 12:16 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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Setting up the date

The Date