Why do people say that MGTOW are just jealous they can't find women?

exit-stage-right2 · 2017-10-17T17:06:55+00:00

It's a shaming tactic. They want us to support women, so they tell us we are losers for being MGTOW in hopes we will change our way. The premise being, men don't want to be called or seen as jealous losers that can't get laid and live in mom's basement. It's all garbage, do whatever makes your day satisfying.

RedHotRandy · 2017-10-17T17:05:51+00:00

I used to get women pretty frequently but they were all toxic and made my life harder so i chose to not have that happen anymore

subgamer90 · 2017-10-17T18:21:44+00:00

We're all virgins but we're all raping all women at the same time

2017-10-17T19:24:06+00:00

I was Chad in High School and College, fell in "Love" got divorced, became Chad again, started down TRP to MGTOW and now I'm contemplating Monkhood. Women are worthless, I haven't met one since before my marriage that made my life better and added value to a partnership that marriage is "supposed" to be. Most nights I am happy to hit the gym and then play Xbox or have some bourbon with my old man.

EndlessPontification · 2017-10-17T16:58:40+00:00

Most people are brainwashed to believe everyone is "incomplete" without a partner. Ignore them and continue living an awesome life, then they will be the ones who are jelly.

lonewolf-chicago · 2017-10-17T17:01:21+00:00

Haters gonna hate. Would be better for them to say..."good more for me"..

2017-10-17T21:45:12+00:00

Society is based around men. when men stop following traditional gender roles (providing) then it's bad news for literally everyone that isn't a man. Women can stop being wives and that has broken things, but if men can stop being providers, then we're entering unknown waters.

Every industry is based on Men wanting to buy items so that they can obtain or provide for their wives and families, if men no longer have to provide, they no longer need to buy these products. If men don't have wives or families not only are they freer emotionally, but economically.

If you can nail that hot chick, I'm not going to be like "woah bro, nice woman, congrats on banging that pussy." I might've done that in the past when I wasn't MGTOW. it's nothing but crowd-mentality men have woven into their societies, it is a cancer, teaching men that pussy is a prize, and it's possession is priceless. Pussy = Respect.

In other words, men get validation from women, and that validation DOES NOT come from women directly, rather, the acknowledgement from other men that it's a tough but worthy endeavour to win them over. Therefore, women are literally used as prizes and have been since time immemorial, we are doing women a favour by not treating them like prizes anymore, and instead granting them true freedom.

When MGTOWs reject women as prizes they de-value the worth of all women to all other men. Suddenly when no one agrees it's super amazing to bang the hot/retarded chick, that it's just a stupid risk, then value of women plummets. less men care, however this shit is woven deep into every man subconsciously, back to our forefathers. Women are no longer a prize, therefore the system as it once was is now broken and a new system needs to replace it.

One way is women selecting men and having control over who they select, and this has been common for years now. What isn't common is the opposition, us, who believe the abandonment of all women is a way to drive women to desperation, it is the perfect counter. They expect a provider, cut off all access to one.

It's guilt-tripping and manipulative tactics to keep men locked in a perpetual state of provision, and not really acting for themselves. Shaming all men that do not conform like sheep to societies rule-book. It's definitely pretty sad for them to be doing that. Both women and men shame in this way, when they should really ask why they're shaming, I guess most if they were being honest would boil it down to a resentment and jealously of something they wish they themselves had, freedom.

Give them freedom, cut them off from your resources though at the same time, watch them squirm.

SilverGryphon · 2017-10-17T19:15:24+00:00

It's a way of recruiting beta orbiters.

2017-10-17T18:07:00+00:00

They can't say anything that holds true to logic. So good old shame.

indianindian · 2017-10-17T18:32:37+00:00

MGTOW can boost your productivity and even wealth if you don't have a woman. So naturally people want to hold you down and have you distracted by women.

Be__Live44 · 2017-10-17T20:57:55+00:00

When they see a man who stands on his own, is relatively or highly successful in most tangible ways (Career, lifestyle), moderately attractive (This REALLY bothers them), living for himself, and most importantly is genuinely happy, they simply can't understand why this man isn't sacrificing himself at the alter of "The church of Tradcon for the betterment of society and latter day Cucks".

EVERYTHING comes down to this when you really think about it. The housing Market, child care industry, general purchases, Luxury and high end car sales, Family Court system, Couples and Family resorts/vacation all inclusive businesses, the whole wedding industry - I could go on.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Nice car - To attract a woman
Nice house - To attract a woman
Nice Income - To pay for said car, house and said woman.

It's carrot on the stick in front of the donkey as it climbs up the hill. Society has built itself on this narrative (Men Provide). This is why tradcons and society have a brain aneurysm with MGTOW. "How dare he not be enchanted by the almighty vagina!"

Shaming is the last resort, they have nothing left.

throwawaypsycho80 · 2017-10-17T17:58:31+00:00

It's either a shaming tactic or people working under the assumption that every man who doesn't have a girlfriend or wife MUST BE a beta virgin manlet cuck neckbeard...

2017-10-17T19:16:36+00:00

Some are empty inside - completely co-dependent on a partner.

They're terrified of being alone.

ThrowawayGhostGuy1 · 2017-10-17T19:29:17+00:00

Even the attention they don't want from ugly guys is a sign of being higher status. Take all the attention away and they'll "literally start questioning everything."

jcazone · 2017-10-17T19:33:55+00:00

Are you a jealous guy who can't find any women? I guess not! If you are a MGTOW you should not want a women. So when they say those shaming thing just laugh, turn your back and go your own way.

gargantualis · 2017-10-17T19:40:56+00:00

They need it to be your fault. Laugh at their desperation

EndlessPontification · 2017-10-17T20:03:17+00:00

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OldRoad · 2017-10-18T04:37:09+00:00

I'm not jealous. Good for anyone who finds a romantic relationship and is happy.

For me, I don't date because I tried it for a very long time, and it was pointless. All kinds of work, just to learn that almost none of them cared about me. They wanted certain guys, and that's that. The one that acted like she actually cared about me -- she had a lot of problems, and I think she was just "settling" for me (probably temporarily). Also, she did seem to be with me for a specific reason of trying to use me for financial support, looking back on it.

Other women weren't so much that way, but I was putting all kinds of time and energy into entertaining them just so they would be "barely" attracted to me. It was so, so pointless, like how well I did dating seemed to have nothing to do with how much I tried. Who wants to spend time on that sort of activity?

Imagine if you had a job where your reward at the job was based on rolling the dice when you got hired. Based on the dice roll, some people get $200,000 per year, and other people get $30,000 per year -- and nothing that you do will ever change that very much for the rest of your career. Well, that is what dating felt like to me. In college, I knew that some guys were getting love notes pushed under their dorm room doors, and I don't think they did much of anything for that. Those same women would probably have turned me down for even one date, even if I were to donate a kidney to them.

So no, anyone who says that jealousy has anything to do with my situation, they have no idea what they are talking about.

(And it's not about jealousy of guys whom women happen to like -- it's just that that's a pointless activity to me, where your success can be so limited no matter how much you try.)

Three-Legged-Fox · 2017-10-17T18:19:01+00:00

We are all virgin, playboy rapists.

TigPlaze · 2017-10-17T19:20:28+00:00

Because they're lazy and don't want to do genuine research.

nocivo · 2017-10-17T19:42:38+00:00

The point of being mgtow is not carrying about what others think and their shaming tactics. Just live your life and be happy without a woman.

replicatk · 2017-10-17T21:49:02+00:00

I got a better question. If mgtows or incels( or basically any guys that aren't part of the race) are all lazy, ugly, mysoginistic peter-pans why would the opposing groups want these guys to go back with women?

The presumption falls flat following it's own logic.

Pellaeon_redpill · 2017-10-17T19:44:08+00:00

Well for one, there really are people who make a half-hearted attempt at something, give up because it's too difficult for them, and then talk shit about how bad that thing is anyway. Eve online comes to mind - a lot of people quit and talk shit about the "toxic community," when in reality they failed to do their research and then whined when they got owned instead of asking for help.

With that being said, gynocentrism is very strongly hard wired into our biology, so it takes extreme circumstances or strong acts of will for most people to overcome it. Consequently, the belief in a "soulmate" or "equality of the sexes" is so deeply held that it is often harder to overthrow than their own religious beliefs. Acknowledging the truths of MGTOW poses such a huge threat to these people's fundamental identities that they either myself undergo a very painful process of sorting through cognitive dissonance, or find some easy excuse to dismiss it

The sour grapes argument provides the easiest excuse to dismiss it.

eltonl · 2017-10-17T21:58:29+00:00

why are people accusing us for being 'jealous' of something we don't even want?

They pretend they dont understand us so they can call us of everything they hate. They need to hate, that's all.

Darth_Bicycle · 2017-10-17T20:29:43+00:00

I suppose some people think it's a ”sour grapes” type of thing; That we secretly do want women. But we already know where that path leads, so now that we do something different, some people can't quite take it seriously. Like it's some sort of game that they think we are playing, I suppose? Some of my friends thought so too, but a decade later they realized that I was simply being honest when I told them that I didn't want another relationship.

AllahHatesFags · 2017-10-17T20:31:43+00:00

They are trying to equate MGTOW with incels.

2017-10-17T22:05:18+00:00

Women are not important. I unironically would rather play mindless video games than have sex with a woman who loves me.

I would rather spend money on myself than a woman.

Every so often I jerk off to free porn online, which is like taking a shit, a bodily function that I have to do regularly to stay healthy. That's my entire sex life and it will stay that way until I'm dead.

Women are not important. I'm not changing the way I live my life to accommodate a woman, even if I magically knew she would always be loyal (which I can't). I like my life the way it is and I'm not changing it on some romantic whim.

The male dream of having a loving wife and kids is dead. You can either accept that and find fulfillment in your life without it, or you can waste time pursuing a worthless fantasy.

2017-10-17T22:35:32+00:00

It's funny cause they accuse us of being predators and we fuck off and now we are just losers. Can they make up their fucking minds.

fcb98292 · 2017-10-17T22:57:37+00:00

Manipulation.

I already had the women. I am just no longer willing to put up with their shit in order to fuck their spoiled, entitled, whining, domestic pussy.

XxRandomguyxX · 2017-10-18T00:45:03+00:00

They probably think we are incels or something like that, but are making excuses/lying to ourselves.

Though nothing came of it, I got a girls # on my first try. Its not like I cant I just choose not to...

Darayneman · 2017-10-17T21:03:04+00:00

The immature mindset of a lot of its members. Most groups I've visited seem like a bunch of pissy woman bashers.

2017-10-17T23:17:53+00:00

IDK, I'm currently dating 5 different girls. Just won't let any of them move in

mongolian_usa · 2017-10-17T23:39:04+00:00

That's a brain dead assumption. Can't find what you're not looking for!

2017-10-18T02:47:43+00:00

Shaming tactics as someone already mentioned. Its to make you feel bad. To the point where you question if your actions are worth it.

MGTOW is the only way for a man to be truely happy.

Great thing about MGTOW is we can live anonymously through society and no one would know the difference.

Nermal_C_Bias · 2017-10-18T03:23:05+00:00

While I appreciate you asking the question and your general curiosity. The answer is and will always be:

Who cares!

Your mind is so powerful and amazing. Why use it on those who are so simple in their minds and satisfactions? You can create and do anything. Everything in front of you now was dug out of the Earth and all these ideas put them together and brought them to you. Ideas built on ideas.

Go surfing. Try painting. Ride a horse. Done them already? Sit on Wikipedia and visit, eat, live, experience or learn about the next random article if you are not sure!

theidgafdude · 2017-10-18T07:37:47+00:00

They are just mad because they want men to be slaves for them lol they say no one wants us when we are the guys who are actually doing shut with their lives unlike the losers.

SYL3NZR · 2017-10-18T09:33:43+00:00

they accuse you of being the fox, who doesn't want the berries despite them just hanging too high

while you're actually a wolf and only eat meat to begin with

Title	Why do people say that MGTOW are just jealous they can't find women?
Author	Psychii_
Upvotes	66
Comments	60
Date	October 17, 2017 4:56 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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