Why would anyone want children?

johnnyblorf · 2017-08-26T13:13:34+00:00

I love kids. It's natural to want them, to bring a new life into the world, pass on your knowledge and skills, let the universe be seen by a fresh pair of eyes.

But when the world is a crazy shit hole, I feel that I'm doing my unborn a huge favour. This is not the kind of world I want to perpetuate, and I wouldn't want my kids to feel out of place like I do. I don't love the world so how can I teach my children to be happy in it? There are times when I think that, given the choice, I would choose to have not been born.

Coxib · 2017-08-26T12:11:46+00:00

I have been living by myself for a very long time. Now when I go outside and come across single moms with their baby stroller and their kids crying I really feel like I dodged a very massive bullet. What a fucking mess. I could never imagine myself living like that. I would be very miserable.

NoThirst · 2017-08-26T12:28:54+00:00

I love my 2 children, but my life would be better if i wasn't financially responsible for them

Scheinwelt · 2017-08-26T13:05:41+00:00

I'm constantly shamed for not having kids. I'm 48 and cringe every time I see or hear a child. No one understands my feelings.

JStheHammer · 2017-08-26T12:08:39+00:00

Women want them .moat men dont.

papertrace99 · 2017-08-26T13:05:37+00:00

so why this pressure in society?

Simplest straight-forward answer: So the pyramid/ponzi scheme they've setup doesn't collapse.

Old/aging people are full of anxiety about the idea there might not be enough people to fund their (currently woefully) underfunded) pension programs (including not only straight monthly-payments, but also health-care, etc -- that's what ObamaCare was REALLY about; it wasn't about insuring young people, it was about SUCKERING and FORCING young people {particularly young single males} into subsidizing/paying for "Baby Boomer" old-age medical treatments {knee & hip surgeries, cancer treatments, heart surgeries, etc}).

-- And more... the concern includes not only literally paying into pension programs (private, union, and/or public tax-based systems) AND helping sustain the "medical" system monetary/resource xfer -- but also anxiety over whether there will be sufficient young people willing/able to pay the ridiculous inflated prices for the various privately owned "stocks"; and even to buy the array of real estate that the oldsters "invested" in.

-- You see the "value" of ALL of those things is heavily dependent upon their being sufficient DEMAND -- specifically MORE "buyers" than "sellers" -- because it doesn't really take much to cause a "crash" in value:

11 buyers for every 10 sellers drives the price UP.

but change that just SLIGHTLY
10 buyers for every 11 sellers... tends to cause prices to DROP.

-- Now most people do NOT really understand that at the "technical/detailed" levels ... but what they DO sort of inherently (even I think you could say almost "instinctively") understand is the basic underlying principle of supply/demand -- which is a sort of "musical chairs" game (played by -- and even eventually "comprehended by" -- even the dumbest of small children).

And it's not that everyone "sees" or understands the full "macro" implications of it... but they DO comprehend it (at least) at the "family" level, and possibly their small community (church/town) level. They have SEEN various organizations (even towns) "fall apart" and disappear because all that is left is "old people" -- and so there is at least SOME (fairly shallow) understanding that younger people need to be HAVING kids, to supply the next generation of "workers."

-- Hence the "societal pressure."

Cypher211 · 2017-08-26T12:57:55+00:00

If you don't want children that's fair enough but don't fall for the overpopulation meme.

emoninja95 · 2017-08-26T12:58:28+00:00

I'd love to have a faithful qt wife who loves me uncondionally and we could raise our 1-2 children together.

Never gonna happen though

fuu999 · 2017-08-26T13:08:38+00:00

i miss my kids :(

IrateChief · 2017-08-26T13:44:22+00:00

I mean, I want kids personally. I just like kids, it's the rest of the garbage that comes along with it that bothers me i.e. Divorce, cheating, child support, alimony and so on

bonusfruit · 2017-08-26T14:16:43+00:00

Overpopulation does not affect the reproductive instinct any more or less than Underpopulation. People don't mate based on calculating how many people there should be. They are just wired to do it. I'm not sure why this point comes up so often

89Thoradin · 2017-08-26T14:33:05+00:00

First off there is precisely zero evidence that the world is over populated. Problem lies with consumers. It is a duty as humans to reproduce.

Recently my sister had a child. I love that kid more than my dog. I can play with him all day and he loves it. They are easy despite what parents say. Parents are usually tired and/or lazy. They get pissed because the child won't eat at the dinner table and Me being not so tired and rediculous figured hey this kid eats like a fat ass when I give him food that I am eating. It is called sharing. Something missing in folks these days. To better the future you have to raise better children and that is why you want children. You cannot rely on others to do something for you.

Talkytalktalk · 2017-08-26T15:58:50+00:00

Hostages for the state to control you with.

TK3600 · 2017-08-26T12:58:57+00:00

It is only overpopulated in places like China India. Rest of places need more.

Eyes_Of_The_Dragon · 2017-08-26T15:00:03+00:00

I love my kids and would kill and die for them. The ex can go die in a fire for all I care.

ThisIsntDebateClass · 2017-08-26T22:02:48+00:00

Who cares if we go extinct? That's the bigger question. Who the fuck cares what happens after you die? It's baffling to me. "Oh noez, what about my will? Oh noez, I needz to pass on my genes."

You're going to a state of nonexistence for the rest of eternity. Who the fuck CARES what happens when you don't exist? Or do all these little naive turds think we're going to be floating around as "spirits" after we die, looking down on our kids from heavenz?

cleats4u · 2017-08-26T13:55:09+00:00

The meme for children is because women need someone to take care of them in old age. And children cost money which makes capitalists rich. The only people that don't need them are the men producing them.

moospot · 2017-08-26T13:57:06+00:00

Procreation is a biological effect to further our species and make it stronger. It's natural for most people to want kids at some point in their lives. Society places rules and constructs on how that happens.

sonic1101 · 2017-08-27T03:42:12+00:00

One of the most common mistakes is people thinking they are "passing on their genes". What does this really mean? Say you have a daughter and assuming she has children (which she may not) then "your genes" have already been mixed with your daughters partner, then your grandchildren will mix their genes with someone else, so by the time you get to great grandchildren how much of YOU is really left? This also forgets the fact that humans in the future will most likely be genetically engineered anyway and will merge with machine intelligence. So what the fuck are you "passing on"? I've heard people say to me "so all your ancestors had children and it stops at you, how sad". To which I reply "no, not sad, I am the finished product! It was all so I could relax and have a good time".

faggaren · 2017-08-26T16:24:55+00:00

I do want children and i have the means to care for one. But will i ever find a decent moral spouse? Thats the bigger challenge.

shoonx · 2017-08-26T17:52:59+00:00

Honestly, I'd love to have 2 sons.

I want to teach them what I know about the Cosmos we're apart of. I want them to ask my questions about life and what it means to exist. I want to show them how we're on a planet in one star system out of 300 billion in our galaxy alone.

However, I understand that overpopulation is a major issue. That, and I don't want to deal with any woman potentially aborting my children and/or leaving and demanding child support.

Maybe in the future I'll have my sons, when we can easily grow them in artificial wombs.

Spungo1 · 2017-08-26T21:13:12+00:00

WHITE BABIES! MUH RACE MUST WIN!

simplystimpy · 2017-08-26T21:27:05+00:00

I happen to not want children. But if I ever do want them, I'll wait for the artificial womb, to reduce the chances of my child having some debilitating disorder. I could probably have a child now and they'd most likely be fine, I just don't want to risk it.

JosephBancor · 2017-08-27T02:55:35+00:00

Most parents are fucking retards who have children for childish stupid foolish prideful and narcissistic reasons.

Then the kid grows up to be all fucked up. Doesn't know how to act. Feels like fucking shit all the time and doesn't know anything about reality.

And the cycle of poverty and pain continues on and on and on for what?

For nothing.

sonic1101 · 2017-08-27T03:32:44+00:00

Having children is good for business. It guarantees that you will have to work your ass off to pay for them and buy them lots of things. This is very good for the business world, so all the propaganda is telling you to do it. The government also wants you to have children to ensure a future workforce, more taxpayers and greater national power in the world. But do YOU want to have children? I think its CRAZY. You will never be free again, you are essentially giving your life to someone else. You can have a much more enjoyable, stress free life just being free and doing your own thing. You can always enjoy the children of other people from time to time. You can be that favorite uncle if you are so inclined. But having kids of your own? Unless you REALLY want them, don't do it. Remember men can have children at virtually any age, so unless you really want them NOW why not just put it off and decide when you are 70?

2017-08-26T16:17:53+00:00

I love kids but I don't spend all my money a little monster :)

Jacqueau · 2017-08-26T17:53:40+00:00

It's a biological instinct.And its presence is not quite a puzzle.Because if %99 of the people wouldnt want children but %1 do because of a gene that cause them to desire offspring, next generation would be %100 offspring-desiring.

What does not harbor reproduction instinct,goes extinct

The beauty in MGTOW approach resides on that part as well.Men going their own way start to ascend over their instincts and see everything better.

Hernes777 · 2017-08-26T18:00:28+00:00

There is absolutely no reason for modern man to have children, they will be taken away from you by the Mom and the court system and you will still bear the cost of raising them.

It is LOSE - LOSE for men to have children, period. Your best bet if you are a man and want kids, is to remain single and adopt.

allowsnackbar · 2017-08-26T19:11:30+00:00

There's nothing amazing about my genes that requires me to pass them on. I'm not in the top 1% of intellect, attractiveness or talent.

Diam35 · 2017-08-26T19:12:12+00:00

I like kids, but wouldn't want to bring them into this world.

"muhfugga 'dis be culturally rich society muhfugga!! bling bliiing muhfugga!! wassamata you don' like rap music?? you WRASSIST muhfugga?"

If I ever feel like it, I'll just adopt a kid who already exists and whom no one wants - once I feel financially comfortable enough to do so.

Itisforsexy · 2017-08-26T19:26:19+00:00

Given Aubrey Degrey's work, those who are in their 20s and 30s (maybe even 40s and 50s) will likely never die from natural causes.

Absolutely no reason to have kids, because science will soon fix the most fundamental problem of life; death.

CynicalSoup · 2017-08-27T00:00:34+00:00

Because people want to "carry on their legacy".

Fucking stupid and selfish.

plutoniumfield · 2017-08-27T00:19:07+00:00

"The World is overpopulated." This meme needs to die. Some parts of the world are, but the world is not. What i find absurd is that people use that meme to tell 1st worlders who live in countries that are not overpopulated to not have children. Nobody seems to care that 3rd world countries are actually overpopulated. I remember watching a scene from Bill Nyes new show where they were talking about implementing laws/penalties for having too many children. One of the panel guests said "The mother in Africa with 9 children isnt the problem because they dont use much energy" forgetting to mention all the aid that the West sends to Africa, which uses alot of energy. If people are really worried about overpopulation, focus on the parts of the world where the adults cant even feed and give a healthy life to the 9-12 children that they have. We all know how the reception on that will go though. I really am starting to believe that meme gets pushed so westerners have less children, when they are not the problem.

NoThirst · 2017-08-27T01:25:35+00:00

...one thing I've never understood is that there are men who want kids solely to "continue the family name"...wtf? This sounds like the poorest possible reason to spend $300k getting a kid to age 18. If little joey wants to go to college you will need to dig deeper. If little joey is a Jane your family name is gone anyways, so better spend another $300k.

frankmarlowe · 2017-08-27T11:49:40+00:00

I used to think I would want them back when I was growing up in the political and economic golden age of the 90's. Back when the life script was still believable, before the bubble burst.

Like most sheltered kids, getting thrust into the real world cured me of it real quick. 3 dodged bullets, not keen on pressing my luck anymore. Who I've grown into and who I want to be... neither of them has the time, money, or desire for kids. Finding out I carry a ton of terrible recessive genetic bullshit helped too. You can call me heartless or a eugenecist monster all you want, if I wound up having a crippled/retarded kid, you bet your ass I'd cross my fingers and pray for SIDS. No way in hell I'd be able to love a defect.

I do understand why some might want them tho: Passing the torch. Establishing a dynasty/tradition/legacy. Wanting what their fathers had. Wanting to be a better father than their own was. Perhaps even simply wanting to create a new life and try to guide it as best they can to success and happiness.

Self_Descr_Huguenot · 2017-08-26T22:01:28+00:00

Unlike a lot of people here, I absolutely want kids.

That being said it's a life goal of mine to do well enough financially to be able to afford traveling to Latin America for a surrogate. You can't do it in the U.S., I think I saw a case where a man who did was facing having to make monthly payments to the broad who carried for him.

Why would anyone want children?

Comments

Simplest straight-forward answer: So the pyramid/ponzi scheme they've setup doesn't collapse.

IOW, we're a very difficult (nigh impossible) group to specifically "target."

-- On a collective, aggregate societal/civilization basis, yes; on an individual basis, no.

Title	Why would anyone want children?
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