I found seduction 3-4 years ago and like to think I've seen it all (e.g. can mimic dark triad well and get bathroom f-closes if i want), but my exp is all mostly in short term hookups and some mid term stuff.

Moved in with 2 male blue pill best friends and a HB7.8 who we kind of knew.

The girl we lived with wanted a relationship with me but I didnt want to. I can do better for a relationship and would have no space if I was living with her, plus she is a far too promiscuous for my mid-to-long term relationship tastes. Cant really spin plates as im living with her. We have many mutual friends from college.

Heard/sort-of-saw her sleeping with a good friend of mine. Didnt care too much but she saw it as stopping us from being together, so needed me to believe it didnt happen. I pretended to not know for a while, but eventually she got me to say what I saw, as she knew i knew.

I did not know what getting gaslighted was. I thought such a concept was exclusive to horror films.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighted

The extent to which I had it was: she convinced me I had psychosis and had had multiple hallucinations. She convinced my closest friends and then growing circles of mutual friends that I was hallucinating. I went from a dominant of a large group to the butt of jokes.

Thing is, it wasn't impossible that I had hallucinated the first time - I had been slightly stoned. I was 99.9% sure it didnt happen. That 0.1% was used against me.

Your brain cant put something behind you if you arent sure if it was a hallucination or not - your brain kind of has-to-know whats real in order to move on. I stayed strong (believing what i saw was real) for a month before I gave up and believed everyone. My sleep was fucked, I had nightmares, anxiety, and then after about 3 weeks started to get paranoia ('she must be a psychopath! look at all these things she is doing!'). Nearly lost my job. Bear in mind i had quit the weed the first sign of trouble so it wasnt that. Had to take a week off work to confront the fact it might not have been real.

She did lots of little things, all the time. Everything here, no exceptions, was used: http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing11.html .

I really did suffer - I believed I was mentally ill after enough people told me I was for enough time. When people started making fun of me for it for their own relative status boost it was more hurtful than I want to admit, it was a personal experience like nothing else. You cant agree and amplify something like that (i now do though, after a leprachaun told me to). All my problems in life before I had overcome or simply moved on from, but you cant leave your own head.

Anyway it all fell apart when one of the later hallucinations had a second witness, and she moved out (still denies it, does not answer 'what about the second witness' - just creates more persuaive arguements that ignore it).

Now NAWALT. But I generally learnt about the bad side of all people, and you guys seem like the right audience for some lessons I have unsubstantiated belief in.

Lessons learnt:

  • A very good way to model people is to know about their upbringing. The girl's dad is the biggest loser (hate to say it...) i have ever met. Mother treated him like shit in front of us when we met them briefly. Her opinion of men growing up must have been that they are inferior... She has an older sister who looks nothing like her at all but they are supposedly related. My housemates were both completely blind to the most obvious lies and social cues, and i believe that might be something to do with them each being an only child. I would want to marry a woman with a strong father figure if I marry.

  • Majority of men are truly oblivious to most obvious things, like how much attention people are paying to each other. Whereas to women is so very clear if you give 55% to her friend and 45% to her. And they all talk about this stuff to each other, but will lie about it to you, even if you demonstrate total understanding...

  • My mother said: 'There are two types of liars in the world. Those who cant look you in the eye when they do it, and those who fully stand completely facing you, with wide open eyes, who confidently tell a lie'. This generalisation ignores many of the self-cognitive-dissonance methods, but for a massive cant-even-fool-yourself-into-justifying-it lie i think she is correct on there being two main types. The second one is lethal when used right! Even when warned of it it feels like your belief alters a little nudge.

  • When somebody is trying to alter your memory they will get you to think back, and then will say 'are you sure that XXX didnt happen?' to which you answer 'im not sure' - and then suddenly before you know it the past is being altered. When you imagine seeing something differently enough times your memory of it gets altered each time. If you are sure you saw something and a suspicious person tries to make you recall a memory you can pretend to remember back by looking up and to the left, and then see what they try to do.

  • Look out for people making their ideas sound like they are your ideas.

  • Dont trust anyone if they tell you 'you cant trust your eyes and your ears', no matter who they are, unless they are a medical professional. One of my best friends did this, a good honest man, but he ultimately was self-interested and fooling himself along with me.

  • Blue pills will always side with an attractive woman in some way. Abundance mentality is needed not just for seduction.

  • Your mother is a woman and she also will 'hamster' to protect her baby. Understand her incentives.

  • When somebody says 'Are you calling me a liar?' when you happen to point out a logical inconsistency, they are (always?) lying.

  • Do not always be rational. If you are 99.9% sure something is not a hallucination then say 100%, or else the person lying about 100% will come out on top.

  • Learn to keep your mouth shut about subtle signals and lies you pick up, use them for your own judgement but dont tell other people. They will explain it away. When talking to other people only bother with the big heavyweight facts.

  • When it comes to people treating you well / helping you out in a real time of need, nothing matters but increasing your value to them. The girl was attractive and I had become needy / needing people to believe in me, so i was much lower value, so they believed her as they didnt care about what really happened. If you become weak then they will leap at the chance to get above you, no matter what you have done for them in the past. Old friends with nothing to gain, strong good men, and some good caring women tend to be the exceptions. The people who still help you when you are weak and low value are your real friends, its worth faking low value once in a while to find out who stabs you in the back.

  • If you get ostracised it doesnt matter. Depression and anxiety were probably survival responses to stop our ancestors from being ostracised from their tribe, as it would have meant death, but in a modern city it doesnt matter.

Thats about it. i dont really want to relive it - i hadnt even thought about it for a month really, but i saw a few people mention here that they believe moving in with some types of girls would lead to you getting brainwashed into marriage against their will.