Is MGTOW generally in agreement that women shouldn't vote?

Teflon0819 · 2017-06-09T05:24:10+00:00

It's a weird subject really.

I don't like the idea of denying women from voting, but it seems inevitable that when women are allowed to vote, a country inevitably swings towards all out socialism and eventually collapses.

At this point I've basically just accepted it as a natural cycle of human civilizations. Men build civilizations. Once those civilizations are well established, women, despite having done nothing to prove their competence in managing a civilization demand an equal say, and men grant it to them. The women then wield that power completely irresponsibly in the same way that a lottery winner burns through their winnings, triggering a slide into societal collapse.

Rinse and repeat.

Paladin2903 · 2017-06-09T04:36:55+00:00

I only can speak for myself, but they're estrogen dominant creatures. Estrogen = extremely emotion-based decision making. Estrogen is the enemy of logic. Most of them shouldn't even see a voting booth, much less cast a vote inside one.

Onkel_Adolf · 2017-06-09T05:41:12+00:00

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secant128 · 2017-06-09T05:50:53+00:00

No, even if you take women's voting rights away it won't solve the problem because of cucks and manginas. The way I see it is at least a merit system where a net tax payer (after deducting welfares taken) and has served the military can vote. Of course it won't be a day serving the military, details on that can be further discussed.

_Hachiman_Hikigaya_ · 2017-06-09T04:36:36+00:00

Humans can have the right to choose the leader who they want to follow or lead them.

Generally I'm not interested in the voting. I'm not a following or a leading type. I'm more like a free type. I like my freedom that is naturally given to me by the universe.

sidel3 · 2017-06-09T05:05:02+00:00

No. Universal suffrage is cancer.

dangshnizzle · 2017-06-09T09:49:56+00:00

I disagree because I'm not fucking insane lol what the hell is this sub

PapaMGTOW · 2017-06-09T05:58:39+00:00

If You Don't Have to Register For the Military Draft You Shouldn't Get to Vote because You Haven't Earned it!!!!

zurrain · 2017-06-09T06:44:42+00:00

No, we are not.

Noomene · 2017-06-09T10:28:06+00:00

They shouldn't be allowed to vote. Period.

People who want them to be able to vote base their argument on egalitarianism, which we all know is bullshit, we are not equal : women in general will NEVER take the same responsibilities men CAN take, therefore women should not have the same rights. Cause the package contains both rights+responsibilities, not just rights.

Rhodesius · 2017-06-09T05:52:22+00:00

People should get a vote if they've been determined to have had a positive impact on their community.

Onkel_Adolf · 2017-06-09T06:46:00+00:00

Women are men's property..Old Testament style. Father, then husband. Rights are for property-owning men.

padthaigoong · 2017-06-09T07:12:16+00:00

ANY Recipients of government handouts shouldn't vote.

Voting should be limited to those who are net tax payers.

priatechair · 2017-06-09T08:05:51+00:00

No, because..

1) It is impossible. Ending female voting would never be palatable to most people. And aligning yourself with that position would invite unneeded controversy and hate.

2) Trying to control women is somewhat against mgtow anyway. Go your own way, let society fall as it does.

3) The choices (gubernational, congressional and presidential) usually boil to 2 similar candidates (republican and democrat) anyway. (Trump is an exception, but not a good one imo).

4) Whatever your particular politics is - supporters and detractors are usually not that delineated by gender lines anyway (Trump is again somewhat of an exception).

scotFree66 · 2017-06-09T12:40:41+00:00

IMO there should be a tax paid requirement. ie I don't care about gender for voting but I do think that only people who pay income tax should be allowed a say in how it is spent ...ie they are responsible citizens who contribute to society.

Plenty of people who pay no tax - and we know who they are - claim they have a right to other taxpayers' money

nigelh · 2017-06-09T13:15:31+00:00

I go for the one person one vote principle. Why should we discriminate on grounds of sex, intelligence, race, religion or sexual preferences. The object is to select a government to try and suit as many people as possible. When working well democracy tries to be very inclusive.

Democracy is a pretty awful system for selecting a government, it's just that the others are even worse.

West_of_Here · 2017-06-09T13:54:11+00:00

Only property owners should vote. If we have too much democracy we'll be like the French. Thats a nation with 100% cucks.

Volcanic-Penguin · 2017-06-09T14:26:20+00:00

I am very much for EQUAL RIGHTS for all individuals regardless of what demographic you are part of and would be very much opposed to any movement that explicitly wants to take away women's right to vote. As I understand it this is not an official stance of MGTOW.

The fact that some want to take away women's right to vote doesn't bother me that much as it's never going to happen, at least in my lifetime.

I happen to also be left leaning politically so my vote is often more in line with the average vote of women, but I would claim that this is unrelated to my position on women's right to vote.

2017-06-09T17:05:36+00:00

Of course they shouldn't vote lmao. Women vote with their hearts, men vote with their heads - that very basic reality has escaped western civilization, and will quite literally be its downfall.

Refugees pouring into European countries at astronomical rates, diluting whatever remained of European culture. And for what? A video of a bloody child, one which was most likely doctored in the first place to make the destruction look worse.

A woman sees that video and thinks, "Oh no, a child is suffering," then her maternal instincts trigger her deadly conclusion: "We must nourish the damaged children!"

And just like that, RIP Western Euro Civ.

FREE_PALESTINE_NOW · 2017-06-09T06:05:03+00:00

Democracy is retarded, most people shouldn't be making that kind of decision whether they are men or women

NatSoc16 · 2017-06-09T07:46:35+00:00

Women should not be allowed to vote.

Helikzhan · 2017-06-09T08:29:50+00:00

I'm a naturalist in philosophy. That being what must come to pass does. As with everything humans have weaknesses. The weaknesses of the male and female are illustrated in our rise and fall as a society. I believe it is natural, unavoidable and destructive.

Weaknesses bring down mountains and turn rock to lava. Weakness can collapse a star into a black hole. All shaping is done by weakness, not strength. This is what people do not understand. Strength maintains what is and weakness compels it to change.

The female weakness is in navigating the natural world of power and cruelty. Her own status of a smaller, weaker human compels her to reverse the natural order by putting the weak before the strong. She cannot produce the necessary meritocracy required to bring civilization to humans.

The male weakness is his consideration for the female. The male understands power and cruelty and knows the path to a stable society is through a meritocracy (One of the crueler forms of government to many people). But when it comes to his squeeze, his eyes are blind.

Basically as Teflon0819 also said: men create the car for the woman to drive into a brick wall.

2017-06-09T09:31:29+00:00

I once had an opinion on that but now believe democracy is a laughable facade. Fuck it. Let em vote.

IT DOES NOT MATTER.

Galvanize007 · 2017-06-09T09:48:43+00:00

When women got the right to vote, they didn't have to sign up for draft, so yeah.

But I honestly think every man shouldn't be able to vote too. Only people who have something to lose like soldiers or business owners. Parents should have something like 1 vote for the household because their stakes are their kids.

tryfirstthensucceed · 2017-06-09T09:50:52+00:00

If we're gonna stick with democracy then women should be able to vote. They are still half of the population and should have their say in who gets to lead.

And any arguments implying that they are more clueless are just as applicable to stupid men. Which brings me to the point that democracy as a whole is retarded because it always ends up being a manipulative mass media battle.

Griever114 · 2017-06-09T12:36:13+00:00

personally, which is what MGTOW is (MGTOW IMHO is every man going their own way), no. MGTOW is not infringing on anyone elses right.

The main purpose of MGTOW is removing yourself from the game and doing what makes YOU happy. Now that may mean some people will moving back to a pre-sufferage time but we are not a group with an agenda. Everyone has their own "going their own way" agenda.

Personally, dont believe voting matters. Lobbyists, corporations and corrupt governments control everything but thats me

baptized-in-flames · 2017-06-09T13:29:05+00:00

Being able to vote at 18 is too early, man or woman. I know I wasn't developed enough to make a rational decision like that at that age. The fact that women mature at around 15-17 means that they can never make a rational voting decision

Banincoming · 2017-06-09T13:41:09+00:00

Anyone who signs up for the draft, and puts out more taxes than they take in should be allowed to vote. Unfortunately...

curiouslyengaged · 2017-06-09T13:45:37+00:00

The idea sounds truly misogynist (unlike 99% of the things we men are accused of). However, when most of the voters are women, they will vote for gynocentric policies. There will be no political will to enact policies that are sensible yet logical. They're are much too swayed by empathy which can drive policies in a wrong direction i.e. war, welfare, etc. and socialism. Let one group of people spends money of another group of people directed by yet another group of people on how should it be spent.

ungratefulsamurai · 2017-06-09T13:52:25+00:00

Yes women should be denied the franchise. However I would go farther and say many men should not vote either.

You should be a net taxpayer or own a certain amount of land to be able to vote. If you have considerable assets in foreign countries you don't get to vote.

Only people with skin in the game should be allowed to vote. Allowing welfare leeches to vote on raising taxes is a fucking travesty.

BukM1 · 2017-06-09T14:10:23+00:00

No, i agree in legal equality, a woman should be held as accountable (and as responsible) as a man.

but in a country where men are legally forced to join the military and do national service you can absolutely fuck off if you think that isnt grounds to only give them the vote.

if we both have the vote then neither sex should do national service, or we both do, if you dont do national service due to gender but another does, then you should get no vote.

ploobadoof · 2017-06-09T14:53:16+00:00

It's not that their right to vote should be taken away. I'd say voting should operate on corporate voting. Preferred stockholders get better voting rights than common stock holders.

2017-06-09T16:55:21+00:00

I don't think they should roll back the voting on women, I do think, however, a man's vote should count as 2 votes.

tryfirstthensucceed · 2017-06-09T17:37:39+00:00

I disagree - they should definitely be allowed to vote. Looks like MGTOW tend to lean toward denying women's suffrage - wow! My reasoning is that denying this right is deeply oppressive. All the prosperous and free nations with high quality of living recognize this right. The nations that limit women's rights are crapholes.

I don't want to restrict women's freedom - I want to expand the freedom of men!

ColdStoryBro · 2017-06-09T17:42:33+00:00

I have a simple belief - You should have the right to vote if you are a citizen and have at least one of these:

1) You own land and not in debt
2) You are subject to the draft
3) Have worked full time in the country for 25+ years (a generation worth of time).

I believe these restrictions will filter out the great many cunts of our generation (most women). My rationale behind it is simple, you have to have a significant enough of a stake in your nation to be able to influence the direction in which it is going. If I own land, I cannot afford to see it be destroyed and devalued. If I am subject to the draft then I cannot afford to give my life up for corrupt individuals with nefarious self interest. If I have contributed taxes to the nation for many years despite being a woman for over a generation (43 year old women +), I should have a right to influence the direction the nation goes to improve lives for future citizen using my life experience. That being said, I believe women should not be subject to the draft and post menopause women are usually not a problem; its the teen and early adulthood that brews the most toxicity in women.

2017-06-10T00:03:28+00:00

We have a phrase we all know "Taxes without representation is tyranny". However, we should have another phrase which is "Representation without paying taxes is tyranny."

Voting should only be the right of net-contributors. That would exclude about 95% of women and 20% of men.

2017-06-09T07:02:23+00:00

It should not take too much thinking to answer your own question if you consider that the US president could have been a lying murdering globalist puppet female.

TakeYourDailyDose · 2017-06-09T08:35:11+00:00

I agree, on the premise that they have the social and legal responsibility of children. I don't believe that people with the responsibility of children should have the privileges of the adults that maintain society- let alone EXTRA privileges.

2017-06-09T10:15:17+00:00

I think your political influence should be proportional to how much you pay to the government minus how much you take out in spending. Men are net assets to the government almost all of their adult lives. Women are net liabilities to the government except for a very narrow window in middle age.

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2017-06-09T11:25:06+00:00

Gray area kinda sorta. Women voting to me is like women playing video games. They shouldn't if they do it for all the wrong reasons but play video games without needing twitch and not sucking and just remaining quiet about it they can. Same with voting as long as they vote logically.

Actually anything logic and common sense related should be fine and it's not tired to mgtow, it's more person to person based, like I did there with them playing video games.

cfuse · 2017-06-09T11:40:52+00:00

Democracy is pretty simple: one person, one vote. Nothing more, nothing less.

To talk about removing the vote from women is to talk about removing the vote from a class of people based on incompetence. I have a problem with that because I believe in meritocracy. I know smart women and dumb men, and voting isn't mating (so the bulk of MGTOW complaints arguably don't apply). Unfortunately the bar for merit in democracy is about as low as it can get. To resolve that you'd need to remove the vote by individual (presumably based on something like IQ). That would be unworkable for a variety of reasons.

Should is one of those loaded words. Many things should be that aren't and can never be. Removing some rights from women can fall into a should camp depending on one's arguments but it will never happen in reality. The only way it can happen is by act of law and that won't happen in a free democracy. If it occurs in a situation without democracy then we are all going to have bigger problems to worry about than whether women get to vote or not (like whether any of us get to vote. Or eat).

2017-06-09T12:20:34+00:00

I wouldn't go to the extreme of cutting them off completely but certain women should get the full 1/1 vote while the rest should get like a 2/7 vote similarly to the 3/5 compromise.

Title	Is MGTOW generally in agreement that women shouldn't vote?
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Date	June 9, 2017 4:23 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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