Existential Crisis... Need Advice

OneLostMotherfucker · 2017-05-17T22:27:07+00:00

My goal in life was always the nuclear family. I can see that it is all but impossible these days. I'm an only child and it's quite depressing that I'm ending the genetic line.

I feel ya. Been there.

I'm not an only child, and I've already had a son, but I've already told him at 18 to get a vasectomy and never marry or have kids. There's nothing magical about the genetic "legacy" bullshit. You may not see this now when your procreation urge is running rampant with a raging hard-on, but it will pass.

And don't worry about being behind. You have an entire life to get yourself set up. Many of us older dudes (I'm 44) have had to take a do-over due to a divorce, and trust me... you are not behind yet. I would do just about anything to get back that lost 22 years of compound interest that you have over me right now.

I can't really offer career advice. But I don't suggest you get into debt, even for school. Start hoarding cash NOW. Search google images for "compound interest comparison young vs later" and you'll see this comparison of 2 people who contribute just $2k/year and the difference in savings at retirement is phenomenal.

Good luck, and welcome aboard. You got this!

project_mayhem_ · 2017-05-17T22:36:43+00:00

For now, I would advise you to get a job that pays for your immediate living expenses, and worry about what education you need to advance in it later. The best thing in the world for a man's psyche is to provide for his own needs, without help from parents or anyone else.

801735 · 2017-05-17T23:02:17+00:00

Entering a career at ~27 years old will be really odd.

No, it won't imo. What's wrong with entering a career any time/age if the interest is genuine? No need to fear that imo.

I'd like to own my own business someday.

Work towards it constantly. Small moves, pumpkin, small moves. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6NNbFHjCc - good movie btw)

I have a few ideas but no capital

Work on your idea by working to get capital and working on your idea hands-on while off work maybe? If you think it's worth it, go do it, get that plane off the ground. DO IT! =]

I have no idea what is a realistic expectation and at what timeframe

Good thing you asked. Not an electrician, but eventually you'll get the info.

Good luck!

Slaide · 2017-05-17T23:09:46+00:00

Do not judge yourself vs others. I can assure you that most of those people who seem 'ahead' of the curve will fuck up and be behind within 5 years (either by making the mistake of getting married/having children).

Want me to make you feel better? I spent the last 17 years helping my family with their business. I was underpaid and wasted 17 years. I am 37 and going back to school for a 3 years degree. I will be entering a career at 41 (or probably later)! You still have a good 35+ years of career in you, I'll probably have 20 or less. Picture this: going back to school... with 20-year-old kids... at 38... for three years.

The majority of people are broke at your age and still working on a career. Hell, the majority of people are utterly broke at 40+. The problem is you're comparing yourself to a few people, not the norm.

Also, remember that once you enter the workforce, a job will be about 1/4+ of your time. Do not simply go into a job because of money, go for something you know you'll at least tolerate/like and in which there is a future. Don't be like all those people earning useless degrees who then protest in the streets because nobody will hire them.

TLDR: Stop being so hard on yourself. You're doing fine. We all have those existential crisis at one point or another.

aanvals · 2017-05-17T22:49:01+00:00

This is 180 off from Diagnostic Medical Sonography, but have you considered Truck Driving?

They will train you and take the cost out of your pay, after 1 year experience with that company, you can get a job anywhere. Over the road is about $1000 a week with no housing expenses (you live in your truck).

And an interesting side note, otr drivers get a tax right-off of about $60 per day in per diem, so that is about $14,000 off taxes.

So save hard for 3 years, you'll have at the very least $100000.

Its a hard life, but you earn and no debt from college.

Just a suggestion...

edit: oh yeah, here is a helpful website: http://www.truckingtruth.com

ZeroBlink · 2017-05-17T22:21:06+00:00

Haha, I can't give you advice. I'm a software developer working part time, playing games all day otherwise. If I gave you my redpills you'd become a wizard or a sage. 9-5 isn't the worst ,I've been working ever since I was 16 got my degree and did a little bit more of 9-5. An IT course was nice , male dominated. At work I have 2 monitors 1 at which I work and 2nd where I watch shit or browse boards while programming. As you can tell my way of thinking is way different "how to do the least amount of work" and "how to make that experience as comfortable as possible".

ShadyShopkeeper · 2017-05-17T22:46:10+00:00

If you want to own your own business, start low on the totem pole in a corporation in your field. Work your way up. If you have the ambition and drive to make it as an entrepreneur, your supervisors and managers will notice, teach you how to be effective, and promote you so the company makes more money. This is going to be a 5 years without a fancy car or house.

Learn every job in the company, save the money they give you, then use the skills and savings to launch your own company... by yourself.

You can read my comment history and the threads I've been posting in for more business talk

DryRub08 · 2017-05-18T00:07:27+00:00

I'm in a similar position as you, so I can't speak much on that. But you inquired about being an electrician, and that I can speak on. If you have a chance to go union, do it, otherwise you're missing out on money and benefits. It also depends on what state you're living in. The same goes with wages.

It is fairly difficult, but not that bad. Depending on who you work with it can be fun and informative or complete shit. It also depends on the job. The first year is going to be grunt work. The second year you'll learn. And by the third, you'll be schooling the newcomers.

VogaLodamee · 2017-05-18T00:45:51+00:00

dude, I see your skills as an opportunity, first, you can go into security once the injury heals , apparently ex military are much more likely to get that job. Also, you've probably gotten some kind of training for surviving on your own w/out civilization at least for a little while.

What I would do is I would take some kind of initial income wether it be a security job, or a simple minimum wage, and I would just get a cheap plot of land in which you can go to home depot, buy some insulation and a door and a frame to attach it to, do the electricity yourself and get one of those portable router things you can buy for like $50, and then if you cook your own food you can essentially live on extremely little, and if you get a portable shower you can stop yourself from being jobless due to nobody wanting to hire a stinky bum.

These cheap items, food, shelter, wifi and cleanliness will mean you're out of poverty no matter how unconventional or bad your living conditions are. And if you take a lot of the extra money and watch the monkeynomics investment series or look into mgtow money, you with a lot of the extra money can just invest in shit.

Because everybody in the us has 2 options for living their life no matter their economic class.

You can pretend to be rich but never have a positive net worth in your entire life.

Or you can pretend to be poor as fuck, but secretely be a millionaire, then jump to the highest standards of living in the world one you feel you have enough.

I also think that eventually the us will go the way of soviet russia, so your skills if you go this route will be extremely helpful for survival.

Also, just remember, being the end of your genetic line isn't depressing, but it just so happens that thinking that its depressing creates more clones of yourself who think its depressing than those who dont.

2017-05-18T01:19:01+00:00

You were me about 16 years ago. I had just gotten out of the military with a skill that didn't transition to civilian life, so I moved back in with my parents and went to college. I hated every minute of it because I hated school and I felt like all of my peers were doing better than I was. This was absolutely the worst time in my life, but looking back, it really wasn't that bad. It was only my ego that was hurt.

After a few years of school, I never got my degree, I was able to get a decent job that supported myself. I worked my ass off and now I'm 38 and living a pretty decent life.

I still work a 9-5 and it's fine. I don't get where people turn their nose up to working in an office. The culture isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be, at least not in the south. People are people, some of them annoy me but so be it.

From one vet to another, it gets better, you just have to keep plugging away.

Edit: And 27 is not too old to start a career.

OldRoad · 2017-05-18T03:24:05+00:00

As other people on here say, I don't feel like there's some requirement that I continue my genetic line. In human history, people don't have kids all the time. Plus, somewhere in the family tree you probably have cousins that will continue some of the genetics. You've got to do the right thing for you, and the people you care about. That simply may involve never having a family. But it's your decision.

As for what to do, what I would do is this: Get four or five of the top career books. Read them cover-to-cover, and take their advice seriously. We are all different, and some of these books will help you find a career that matches your personality, then how to go about getting that career going. Try not to get blinded by money to make you choose a career that doesn't fit your personality and talents, and keep an eye on debt too, as I think someone else said.

Save as much money as you can, live as cheaply as you can, and learn how to invest wisely. That doesn't have to mean living miserably. I'm a shy person, for example, and, if I were making good money, with a long-time career, I could probably enjoy living in my truck as a truck driver.

How do you save money? You said that you are living with your folks. While some people here may disagree, that's not the worst idea. Especially if you go MGTOW, you won't have a wife helping to decide where you can live, how much money you need to spend, or many other things. So you can do non-traditional things to save money. You can help out your folks too, maybe even contribute increasing amounts of money to the household if you start making more money.

For entertainment, keep in mind that so many of us waste SO much more money on entertainment than we have to. There's a difference between buying exactly what you want every time, compared to always having enough cheap entertainment to fill your time. For example, you can spend $200 on the latest movies, TV, and music every month, or you can just get a library membership and read all the classics. For music, you can listen to a cheap radio for very little money. There is so much entertainment and reading online, for basically no cost beyond a computer and Internet service.

You can eat cheaply too. Get a basic nutrition book. I found that eating out is generally both less healthy and more expensive. Instead, stop at a grocery store, and get fairly basic unprocessed healthy foods, like deli turkey, skim milk, fresh vegetables, water, etc. (subject to any special diet restrictions you may have). Eating fresh, less-processed foods tends to be fairly cheap, plus helps to maintain a healthy weight as one gets older, from my own experiences and from what I've read.

Oh, and going for a walk is good for you, and also very inexpensive.

My point is, you can get focused, simplify your life, avoid wasting money, plan your goals smartly, and I think this will help you get going. You can always find things to do that are enjoyable that won't waste your money. If you get out of the typical thought process of constantly "What do I have to buy next?", I think that will help you big-time with savings. I kind of wish that I had learned this lesson sooner.

That's not to say that you can't ever make exceptions. You can have a really nice car, if you can afford it, and if that's what you really like. You can go out to eat sometimes. Just always try to make wise, balanced choices.

Of course, this is just MY advice. It's up to you to decide what is the best way for YOU. But maybe what I wrote will help you.

SlaveToSelf-Made · 2017-05-18T04:57:45+00:00

Where you are at the moment is great place to be. You're deciding what you want to do. If you decide to go the university route then once you have your degree work for a year then start your own practice (yes it requires capital, find a backer and start off small and grow it). You're right, having your own business is the goal.

hunrein · 2017-05-18T06:35:31+00:00

Look into hobbies. I do martial arts. Find a good martial arts school, crossfit, make 3d printer objects to sell on Shapeways online, find the non-mainstream parts of popular culture like fantasy novels by R. A. Salvatore or Anime such as Berserk.

Start a rabbit raising operation in your parent's garage so you can make your own fresh organic meat.

There are make your own computer game simulators like RAGS or FastQSP so you can make your own computer game and put it out there.

A career won't make you fulfilled. It is there to pay the bills and give you the freedom to pursue your own goals.

Onkel_Adolf · 2017-05-18T06:52:22+00:00

Electrician here...you don't wanna be 51 like me, and spending your days in attic crawl spaces and under houses. Stay in school.

Asbestasio · 2017-05-18T08:29:59+00:00

I'm an only child and it's quite depressing that I'm ending the genetic line

be a mass rapist if you want kids

Volcanic-Penguin · 2017-05-18T11:06:54+00:00

I don't know how to quote on the phone but as for starting a career late in life.

I started a career in web development at 29, after two years of studies. Before that I had done a lot of programming though, but in hobbyist game development stuff.

BroJack22 · 2017-05-18T12:11:28+00:00

Former tradesman turned medical here; medical is a great field and always in demand. Sonography is great if you are a nightshifter (less people, catch up on your reading). If you miss military structure you could do a guard or reserve enlistment; state GI bill benefits plus if you are in a rut they can give you orders or temp tech jobs to get you through a rough patch.

Klimthourglass · 2017-05-18T05:05:09+00:00

The happiest guy I know is 76, never married, and lives in a share house. He is an amazing gardener. He goes to concerts, rides his bike everywhere, know the names of birds and trees, reads great books, and is psyched with life. What do you actually want? The heaviest weight is expectation. You are brainwashed. Don't worry, we all were. We don't need all this shit. But if you must have it, develop a plan, put your head down for a while, and go get it.

Title	Existential Crisis... Need Advice
Author	psyduck001
Upvotes	21
Comments	20
Date	May 17, 2017 10:11 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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