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Quick Note on Censorship/Automated Bots.

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September 6, 2016
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Seems that over the weekend a number of users discovered some automoderator triggers and I wanted to clear it up here.

We try not to go into too much detail about our automoderator rules because we use them to battle the onslaught of nonsense trolls we get. We certainly don't want to make it easier for them to evade detection.

I'll post here what I posted elsewhere on the topic:


There's nothing nefarious happening here. We program automod with rules to either deal with specific trolls or waves of trolls.

We don't divulge what the is being looked for, because that makes our jobs harder, but usually the detection rules are only in place for a short period of time (until the trolls get tired).

If you felt like your post was removed in error, just send us a modmail message and we'll approve.

Rest assured our mod team is here to keep the signal high, not remove it. Sometimes we catch some false positives but we restore those posts as soon as we see them. We feel that it's better to let 0% of the riffraff through.


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Title Quick Note on Censorship/Automated Bots.
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 113
Comments 77
Date 06 September 2016 01:31 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/62046
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/51f7di/quick_note_on_censorshipautomated_bots/
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[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (20 children) | Copy

So u/Neoreactionsafe was just chasing conspiracy theory shadows as usual?

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

You expected from him not to?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would support an auto mod trigger which banned any post or comment which included the phrase "kill the beta" ;)

[–]corsega15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (8 children) | Copy

I dont hate the guy or anything, but it bothers me that he's an endorsed contributor. I really don't think that's a good thing lol

[–]vagbutters8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Don't put your faith in any individual here. I know for a fact that I find 95% people here detestable, hypocritical individuals, but the content of this subreddit is largely on point.

[–][deleted] -4 points-4 points | Copy

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[–]vagbutters5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

respect the tag

Respect is earned, son, not given out to internet strangers who can type a mean essay or those who are committed to a particular forum.

[–]magus6782 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I honestly want to see the post that made a mod decide to award him that.

[–]solidsnork-5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy

He may go a little overboard on the conspiracy crap but his knowledge and masculine advice are valuable to those who pay attention.

[–][deleted] -3 points-3 points | Copy

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

no. I've read many of his posts and a lot of it is conspiratorial nonsense. Fuck that, being 'red pill' isn't respecting authority without question lol

[–]bowie747-5 points-4 points  (2 children) | Copy

That doesn't sound like him at all.

I actually thought he was referring to Reddit admins though? Not TRP mods?

[–]afkb39sdfb2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

What? He is the resident tin-foil-hat user.

[–]bowie7470 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I was being sarcastic, but obviously it didn't come across. I do enjoy reading his theories though, mostly I find it to be reasonable. Admittedly I'm pretty into conspiracies and inconvenient truths.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (29 children) | Copy

I saw the post calling this a 'SJW censorship bot' and going full tinfoil on what was very evidently a keyword automod filter. Pretty highly upvoted post too. People need to do their due diligence before making retarded accusations.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

A lot of people on Reddit have nothing better to do. They'd do better with a nice hobby, but instead they invest so much time and energy for the Reddit social recognition because it's all they have going for them.

The same thing happened with Gamergate. While I disagree with what the SJWs did, the reaction to it was overblown IMO. It was (some organised, smart, talented) people spending way too much time and effort into something so insignificant.

We'd benefit so much more if people directed these efforts into the real world. Take some risks, people! You need to take bigger risks for bigger rewards! Instead of investigating Gamergate, go out and get a real job as a real investigative journalist, for instance.

[–]NeoreactionSafe-11 points-10 points  (27 children) | Copy

Like said elsewhere the censorship was actually happening as I said it was happening.

Some guy fucked up and did this to solve some other problem related to trolls.

We should not do any automatic censorship.

When we spot a concern troll we need to kill them (symbolically, but just ban in truth) and get them out of here.

This was so common long ago as we used to ban often.

 

[–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Automatic moderation is necessary. Active anti-Red Pill trolls outnumber us mods 100 to 1. It would be too much work to have to remove comments manually.

That is why we encourage our users to report trolls whenever possible. Banning IS a manual process, and we review each case in the queue.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy

We should not do any automatic censorship

If you really want to see the shit show this sub turns into without our tools, or you'd like to volunteer to spend 80+ hours a week to moderate one of the most controversial subs on Reddit, I think you know not of what you speak.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Man, I'd love to see some of the shit you guys remove sometime. I just don't know of a way you could show it to us without encouraging them more.

Edit: Maybe use their posts as examples of the trolling techniques that are listed in the sidebar. The examples could be anonymised, of course, to prevent anyone from claiming glory.

[–]Squeezymypenisy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

4chan mods have a sub for this to laugh at.

[–]Squeezymypenisy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You know the 4chan subs have one that shows off any outrageous or hilarious modmail and reported comments. It would be funny too see a similar one for this website.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (12 children) | Copy

We should not do any automatic censorship.

reddit is an extremely easy system to game. It's very very easy for someone with minimal scripting skills to flood a sub with more troll posts than human mods can reasonably handle. That's when you bring out your own scripting skills and use Automod.

[–]NeoreactionSafe-4 points-3 points  (11 children) | Copy

I remember long ago there was an "entry period" where you could subscribe to the Red Pill but it would take about a week before you could post. As I recall I went through something like that, but it has been a few years so I'm not certain.

We are eventually going to have to deal with concern trolls because we are seeing a definite increase lately.

JamesSkepp seems to be a Chatbot or a paid Shill because he does nothing but concern troll since he got here.

Let's "pretend" he is human... (just to avoid that discussion)

But beyond that what do we do when the actual Chatbots arrive?

What I know of my research so far is that the Chabots have one flaw which they cannot as yet avoid as a "tell".

 

Chatbots cannot think in abstract terms

 

So one way to flush them out is to ask an abstract question and see if they can answer. If not they still might be human, but do we even want a human without abstract thinking skills?

What good is a guy who is lacking in this way?

...anyway.

At some point the whole issue of the coming Artificial Intelligence Chatbots and the problems they will introduce will need to be thought out.

Banning trolls might take some effort if they assault the Red Pill with hundreds of phony accounts so I see the problem there. (ban one account and the same guy has ten backups)

So I "appreciate" the difficulty of the moderators trying to solve this... you were doing what you thought was the right thing.

 

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We have a 3 day automod enforced limit on new accounts for posting on Married Red Pill and have had discussions of raising it to 10 or even 30 days.

[–]rpguarddog0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

I like how this idiots take the piss and call you a conspiracy theorist. Dudes... your on the red pill FFS! The blue pill is just one conspiracy.

[–]solidsnork0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This sub has some really blue pill fucks. A lot of guys are here to get laid. They don't care about societal corruption or collapse as long as they can get their little dicks wet.

[–]Squeezymypenisy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Technically most of it doesn't matter since you won't be able to have any effect on it. Socrates himself said live a good life in times of strive. It's the best you can do

[–]NeoreactionSafe-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

The question is how we systematically or individually get rid of the problem.

It was easy when there were 30,000 subscribers because a moderator could simply ban someone.

Now there is a full on war against the Alt - Right (which Red Pill is part of) so we are grappling with invasions from people who normally wouldn't know or care about our existence.

Ultimately the Globalist Tyranny will want all non-compliant forms of communication to be censored.

 

[–]Literallyoprah7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Alt - Right (which Red Pill is part of)

The fuck it is. I fully support a sensible, relatively open immigration policy, single-payer health care, and an approach to race grounded in rationality and genetics instead of fear and Hitler.

I also think women are functionally children and that their love is fundamentally conditional. I also think sex is essentially an economic transaction. Thus, Red Pill.

[–]NeoreactionSafe-5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy

You're such a kidder... cute though.

Generally as you awaken you move to the right.

There is even a saying:

"There are no enemies to the right."

...which means that truth is always away from the Blue Pill which pushes us towards the left into beta slavery. So as we all move away from the Blue Pill towards truth we all join in a common direction. (no enemies)

Let the Red Pill go deeper and you will see... you will get there.

 

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Self awareness, understanding reality, knowing that when somebody tries to give you something for "free" it is really an intelligence test. Refusing to follow the herd and the party line.

Yep, I sure don't see left wing values in that list.

[–]dapowa0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i dont think knowing how a wrench works and when to use it dictates much about political affiliation.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla[M] 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

Here's the issue with that.

There's a handful of moderators, and almost 200k users. Even with low engagement, that's a huge ratio of herd to shepherds. Having a manual, labour intensive process in place will work well, except it creates a bottleneck. Whomever has the most free time will win.

Who do you think has extra time in the day to work on an internet forum? Unemployed shit testers, looking for more outrage porn, or RP men, who have jobs, businesses, or just out there too busy with plates?

Alternatively, you could outsource it to the masses, which I am a huge fan of. Holding each other to task is a big part of it. There's some ruffles over 'respect the tag' but you yourself had an example from two days ago. Someone calling one of your posts as bullshit, but in a way men talk with each other, not in a way an edgy teenager lashes out. It works well, but it has another bottleneck...

There has to be more of them than not. And regression to the mean is a bitch. It only takes one surge of 'eternal september' to completely drown them out, and cause them to get frustrated and leave.

Or to get more moderators. Askscience has something like 500 of them last I checked. It works very well... for science. It's pretty hard to bullshit knowledge of a hard science. Much easier to parrot RP words until you're given the reigns. And reddit is chalk full of SWJ types infiltrating, and subsequently fucking up a subreddit. Just about every default has, or is, being invaded by a cadre of 'power users' who turn them into a shitty fem-centric hole.

Hell, you need look no further than the PUA community on reddit to see a close and personal example.

So RPS has picked a balance, pretty good one as far as I can tell. Automated tools, with a not unsubstantial miss rate. A vetted (and small) moderator community, and Rule 0, to keep every man focused on the task at hand. A reporting system that works very well to stream the process of men policing their own locker room.

It's not the most effective solution, ultimately. However, there are no good ones on reddit. It's voting, logarithmic scoring system, focus on low-quality, easile digestable content over well thought out value, and selectively enforced terms of service (oh, how this places value would go up if The Blue Pill and it's kin were equated to fatpeoplehate, as they should) means that you're boxing from the back foot.

So TRP.red would probably mitigate a lot of that. I don't know enough of it's inner workings to say, but right now reddit is top dog, and it's going nowhere, anytime soon.

So we have what we have. The fact that this place isn't a cuck infested shithole should be seen as a huge accomplishment. Back pats are well deserved among everyone of the 200k members who give a shit.

On a side note, I personally ban at least a half dozen people when I log on, none of them even the sleightest bit controversial. Other mods do about the same. Not nearly enough to stave off the tide.

Automod clears probably 10x what the whole of us do together. Maybe 1 out of 100 of those removals was a false positive.

And I'm surprised it doesn't do worse.

[–]NeoreactionSafe4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

And reddit is chalk full of SWJ types infiltrating, and subsequently fucking up a subreddit. Just about every default has, or is, being invaded by a cadre of 'power users' who turn them into a shitty fem-centric hole.

 

I suppose we do have it much better than elsewhere.

Actually it wasn't so much that phrases where being censored it's just that it was hidden from us. We use a phrase where we are actually destroying it and the automated bot we are using the phrase as a SJW would use it.

I see the problem... no easy fix.

 

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Best way to keep a secret, don't tell anyone.

Would be nice if there was a way to segregate endorsed from new users, or some kind of heirarchy, it invites gaming of the system from a new angle then.

TBH, I would rather they removed the voting alltogether. It was a method to have a crowdsourced spam filter originally, now it's a validation machine.

I think about that every time some chode decides to brag about his blue pill victim post getting upvotes, if that is going to sway RPS into removing their ban.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

isn't that exactly what the rating system is for?! let it be 10.000 trolls, we have 200.000 user. if everyone downvotes obvious trolls, their posts should fall under the threshold pretty fast and disappear. everyone with more then 20% posts marked as troll / negative gets autobanned.

i guess its possible to restrict voting for new user with less then X positive rated posts.

this would also solve the problem of tests for new user mentioned somewhere else in this thread:

all trp user will enforce a trollfree environment and at the same time guarantee that only people with the ability to form usefull posts are allowed to rate.

to avoid a possible echo chamber the endorsed people can influence accordingly.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do you know how much concerted effort it took, just to get TRP members to start reporting a single subreddit rule break (questions)?

It's taken at least 2 months, and without a constant trickle of heads on pikes, it dives down just as quickly again.

Yeah, my brothers are here, but it's a subreddit, like any other. People will largely ruin their locker room without heavy moderation. Every singe one before this thought they would be different. When was the last time you surfed truereddit? depthhub? go compare it to the original subreddit.

Women are women, men are men. In this case, people are people, and generally aren't able to keep growth and quality in lockstep without massive amounts of mod action.

It is what it is for now, as improvements emerge, improvements will be implemented

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You also tried to connect it, with no explanation how, to George Soros, the UN, and some vast globalist conspiracy. In actuality, it was the mods censoring to stop trolls.

[–]NeoreactionSafe-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Globalist Tyranny we know is true.

And I suspect we do have authentic trolls here... possibly even paid.

It was funny to find out it was a self inflicted screw up after all.

 

[–]RPthrowaway1232 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks mods. We know you guys work hard to keep this place running!

[–]sukaprivet0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Love dropping Redpill info in other subs. Just cant do it with the same account. Just got banned from /r/lostgeneration even though I was being upvoted. https://www.reddit.com/r/lostgeneration/comments/5153xu/is_tinder_the_end_of_the_social_contract/

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So can you tell us which words are banned? So we, normal TRP users, dont get out comments removed.

And no, I won't log out everytime I post something just to see if my post/comment was removed.

[–]Unholy_VI0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would be fine with having some sort of probationary status for people who want to post topics that has to be earned either from an amount of time subscribed or someone vetting their post history.

I like good relevant high quality content that reflects the mission of this site. If, for instance, the MGTOW crowd couldn't just come here and post endless examples about how 'it's just not fair!' and newer members could post their 'omg look how bluepill the guy in this 2 x thread is!' posts I think it would be a great improvement.

[–]Vril_Thought0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I was the one specifically censored! I forgive you.

EDIT: I've also noticed that after the automod deleted my comments, they were later restored, presumably by a real moderator who checked them over. You have to give these mods credit for doing a good job. There is a lot of order riding on them to keep it organized so it doesn't fall victim to controlled opposition as so many informative outlets have been.

I will add though that there is an inordinate amount of people on here who hate procreation and believe living your entire life without children is alpha. In reality it makes you the fattest beta in your direct lineage for tens of thousands of years. And I've seen people get emotionally triggered by procreation which proves nature right by biologically programming us men to overlook female error.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

We use the automod removal as a first defense, just in case there's a massive shitpost invasion while we're not all here. Then we can later review and bring back any false positive posts.

The net result? Nobody notices the major attack (which happens regularly), and a few people have their posting delayed by a couple hours.

As opposed to me waking up one morning with a hundred front page posts trolling and a bunch of complaints that TRP went to the shitter.

I will add though that there is an inordinate amount of people on here who hate procreation and believe living your entire life without children is alpha.

I respect the choice not to have kids. I've been in the no-kids camp for the longest time. Only in my thirties have I come around to the fact that when you have enough resources it's not a death sentence, and the world needs my ideas to carry forward.

[–]Vril_Thought0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

<p>...and the world needs my ideas to carry forward.</p> </div>

It's a more ideological thing personally. I can respect a man, In person, choosing MGTOW. But for the purposes of creating a future where we could utilize the offspring of someone so far superior intellectually to the average joe.... we need more children raised/created by strong men in this society. As many as possible. Because even at a basic genetic level they will help push your ideas like you've mentioned. Greater than some single mom on welfare who has 12 kids with an IQ below 65. They all grow up to repeat the process further hindering society.

[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Seconded on child free. Technically, I wouldn't have kids, but provide kids which I can see at the behest of the mother...

Haven't had RPS moment of clairity, but theres a decade in the 30s

[–][deleted] 1 points1 points | Copy

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[–]trp_ocd4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

That's a autocorrect. Mod MALE message. It's sort of like random acts of pizza, except it's a tranny rub down with a happy ending. You can read about it in the sidebar....

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Mod MALE message

No, you're wrong too. It's acually...

Mod MALE mAssage

[–]trp_ocd2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Damn auto core wrecked

Thanks

[–]afkb39sdfb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Really?! That takes me back to Thailand...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Go to the sidebar, scroll down to the list of mods, click "message the moderators".



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