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TIME article on how American schools are becoming hostile to boys

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August 24, 2013
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Thought this was interesting

http://ideas.time.com/2013/08/19/school-has-become-too-hostile-to-boys/

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Title TIME article on how American schools are becoming hostile to boys
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Upvotes 101
Comments 58
Date August 24, 2013 6:49 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 12 years ago* (25 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]DaddyMonster 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Aren't they already?

[–]SocialDarwinist 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. They Are.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 62 points63 points64 points 12 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Is she on fucking crack? Wow. We had a game called kiss chase, the girls would all run away, the boys would chase after them and then when you caught them (you'd grab them) you would kiss them. Then you gave them a headstart and they'd run away again. Girls would only play this game with boys who weren't ugly and boys they didn't have any problems with. Shit when I was a little kid girls used to lift up their skirts and put my hand there and it was all fucking innocent, we were kids and we were curious about this kind of shit. Pre-puberty it's completely innocent.

I hate when adults project bullshit like sexual harassment onto kids, they don't even have a concept of such a thing. Under these illogical definitions I raped about 10 girls when I was 8. LMFAO. Wow, ok.

UPDATE: link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_(game)#Kiss_chase

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Then she lined up all the boys along the wall and yelled at us about rape and how we would go to prison for life.

That is absolutely fucking insane. This bitch is crazy! She shouldn't be allowed anywhere near little boys.

TLDR: Fellas, get your boy at a private school, or don't bring him into the world to begin with, feminist-"liberal" education is not good for him.

[–]t21spectre 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A helicopter parent is a parent who pays extremely close attention to a child's or children's experiences and problems, particularly at educational institutions. Helicopter parents are so named because, like helicopters, they hover overhead.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Black Hawk down!

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately society rewards retarded female paranoia these days

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It really does and it makes me fucking angry because of how absurd it is

[–]t21spectre 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

it makes me fucking angry because of how absurd it is

A "Whiskey and Xanax" will make everything better

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No thanks. I'll pass. Meditation is better and doesn't harm the brain

[–]t21spectre 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

To each their own I guess

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Certainly. I'd never deny ones right to whiskey and xanax!

[–]Mightyskunk 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The fact that people like the person quoted exist scares the shit out of me. I'm seriously thinking of leaving this country before something similar happens to one of my kids. I don't want to think about what I'd do to someone who tried to destroy my kid's life based on an innocent moment.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't think that it is a problem that such people exist. I think they did all the time. But now society starts to listen to these people and reacts in a totally inappropriate way. My schoolprincipal would have laughed his ass off at this woman. Today he would maybe lose his job just for saying no to her.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why is this occurring, though? I can't see any benefit from this sort of hysteria - and yet it's becoming pervasive.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know. If i must guess, i would say that it's a side effect of the raised attention to other groups of people.

[–]jvardrake 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A civil suit against a five year old? Because the police wouldn't pursue a criminal case??? For a hug?

A five year old hasn't even went though puberty. I doubt there was anything sexual about what he did. He's not even capable of that yet.

What in F is wrong with people?

[–]brokendimension 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy fuck...what a shitty mother and person.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 65 points66 points67 points 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Only a mother could have this level of awareness and write about it, none of the other women would want to believe it and neither would they give a fuck. The only way you can not see "boys" as the enemy is to be a mother yourself, see the pain and issues your son goes through and then, only then, is a woman capable of seeing they're not the only ones capable of being victimised, but in fact males go through shit too. Haha, quite ironic. I love how the biological motherly instinct can override the indoctrination of feminism. Good piece.

[–]A_Seabear 33 points34 points35 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The reason girls don't know that we go through shit, is because we tend not to complain about anything until we're ready to explode.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]nillotampoco -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I disagree it simply has to be a natural male trait to internalize. In my experience at least, it seems to have come about naturally, or I 'inherited' it from father.(Watched him and copied.) Bloody cut? So what mom.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Learning by watching is not the same as to inherit some behaviour. And if this happens at a early enough age, the memories about it could have fade away, if there were memories about it (which i doubt).

[–]fuk_offe 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So true.

[–]mrspoon34 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll second this a thousand times.

[–]fuckingdanzig 17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There was a great article in the Wall Street Journal a while back, by some "prominent feminist," whose son had been falsely accused of sexual misconduct while in college, and i think he got expelled. She had not cared that horrible shit like that was happening all over the country to young men, until it was her kid.

[–]JonnieCage 20 points21 points22 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's because there are no feminists when the ship hits an iceberg

[–]my_nofap_acct 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just like this article:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324600704578405280211043510.html

Feminist mother was all in favor of Title IX until it was her son that got the short end of it.

[–]Mooshaq 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's a good point. I tried to talk to my mother a tiny bit this summer about RP truths, to test the waters, and she's certainly much more receptive to it when I make it about me. She thinks I'm talking complete nonsense, but if I tell her how my "romantic life" (I diluted the words a bit for her sake) sucks and women my age suck, because of modern feminism, she's much more open to listening and trying to understand.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sounds about right, they can understand through sympathy about someone they care about, and identify between women by delving into solipsism. But if you're in neither of those categories and you're communicating truth through logic and not rousing personal feeling in her on some level, she'll be unable to understand or refuse to believe out of arrogance. It's kinda retarded, seeing as a man I can understand and believe things both ways, through feeling and through logic.

[–]forbiddenone 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Logic is a tool of the patriarchy!

[–]Mooshaq 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Thankfully I am far away from having kids (if I ever choose to), but this ridiculous prosecution makes me angry. I played "Secret Agent" all the time in elementary school – I made milk cartons into tanks and pretzels/food into guns, I drew guns on paper (from my video games), I "beat up" my friends, etc. It's just what boys do, (especially since Goldneye had just come out). Where the hell is the harm in it? If you have half-intelligent parents, they'll teach you that you shouldn't actually kill people, and that's it. There's no need to attack little boys. This all makes me wonder:

Do any of you veteran/endorsed RP guys from this subreddit have kids?

What do you guys think of homeschooling?

[–]Quizlyx 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I can't agree more with you, but a lot of parents have an attitude of "My little Johnny/Susie couldn't possibly be in the wrong." They want teachers, or at least someone else, to do all the hard stuff with their kids. They don't want to teach empathy, or explain sex, or even to not kill anyone.

On the other end, nobody wants to take the time to create a policy, or invest in a system that actually screens out kids with psychological issues, and give them the help they need.

[–]elpezadent 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The parents I see around these days aren't "parents" per se they're more like their child's friend which is completely wrong because how is a kid supposed to learn right from wrong? These "parents" never sit their kids down and have deep conversation about the important things in life instead these kids find out from other sources that maybe unreliable and things just snowball from there. The most interaction between parent and child is done through social media like fb and text messaging.

[–]rountrey 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Story time kids ... this happened on Friday:

I have a son who just started school this year. Well, there's a Spanish girl in his class (actual Spanish, not Mexico), that he likes because "she talks weird and laughs funny". Every Friday the teacher sends home a note for updates, progress, problems, and what not for each student. The note this Friday said that my son had kissed that Spanish girl. I asked and he was adamant that she kissed him ... on the cheek.

So, you take a native Spanish girl, who would traditionally give a peck on the cheek, and not very up to speed on American customs and automatically it's the boy doing it. Because, obviously, any perceived sexual contact is going to be initiated by the boy.

I didn't make a big deal of it, neither did my wife, but I do worry about my kid being labeled on the first week of school.

And I know it's not actually a peck on the cheek, but in the small town I live in most would see it as that.

[–]AbraxianAeon 20 points21 points22 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That boy is an awful, patriarchal, cissupremacist rapist. I sentence him to a diet of high fructose corn syrup and My Little Pony marathon sessions.

[–]t21spectre 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I sentence him to a diet of high fructose corn syrup and My Little Pony marathon sessions.

So you'll turn him into a Brony? You sir, are worse than Hitler.

[+]AbraxianAeon -6 points-5 points-4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A brony is a real man in our anarcha-feminist womyn's paradise.

[–]Hajimotto 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It is stories like this that make me concerned for the future of my eventual children. I want them to have a happy life, but seeing so many people so happy to force arbitrary rules on boys that they cannot comprehend makes me uncomfortable. This article only glances at the depth of disenfranchisement that is occurring for young boys. The whole education system is constructed to tell children to sit down, shut up and play nice only. This is a terrible fate for any young boy because he is probably rambunctious. I can understand why boys do not want to go to school and it is not because they hate learning; it is because the education system hates educating boys.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

haven't you seen the 6 year old gays?

definitely natural, no social conditioning at all

[–]Hajimotto 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Even as a gay man those stories always make me uncomfortable. At that age children truly do not know what love is, aside from familial love, and do not know the ramifications of being gay. It alarms me when parents force their ideology so strongly on a child that they want to permanently define them starting at such a young age. I would like one day for coming out to be a natural part of puberty; unlike the current violent clawing battle that lasts years. However, raising a child to be gay is just, if not more, harmful than raising a child and only accepting them if they are straight.

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[–]Hajimotto 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its all good. I have mixed feelings about the subject. On one hand I understand that I should be fully accepting how people choose (note my word choice) to act and on the other hand I think that they are making bad choices. I have some friends that are incredibly stereotypical, but they are some stereotypical people that I avoid. I think that deciding this is how decent a person is and if they have a defining feature that is not their sexuality. I do not think I am just male, or just gay, or just a redhead, or just a botanist, or just a redneck. I think I am a combination of all these qualities. I think that each does influence how I act, however, I would not define myself by only one of them. I think that when people define themselves by only one facet of themselves they are incredible boring.

This idea is then applied to flamboyant gay men. I think that they have placed their sexuality as a more isolate-able aspect of their identity. When people meet each other their are parts of your identity that you openly share, such as your gender, i.e. things that you personally think are intrinsically important to understanding you as an individual. I as an individual think that sexuality should not be a defining aspect, others disagree. This is not to say that I think I am better for being manlier. Rather we simply have two different sets of ethics that define us.

I think the reason that many non-flamboyant gay men do not like flamboyant gay men is that we all live within a sub-culture within a broader culture. Actions taken by one part of the gay community commonly are reflected upon the whole community. Thus, in the minds of many people the actions of flamboyant men, who are the most noticeable, are reflective of the entire community. This angers many people who feel that flamboyant gay people are not reflective of the entire community, which is understandable. Kind of like a person that is red pill who advocates raping feminist will receive hostility towards those that are forced to accommodate themselves with them but really do not want to.

What has been my most useful red pill highlight. Mostly that I am not alone in not wanting to be a feminine man. I like being male, and I like being male. I just so happen to want a life partner that is male and likes being male. I compare my feels to women to my feelings to a fine cabinet; I can tell when it is visually pleasing, but I have no desire to wake up besides it and make it pancakes.

Further, my feelings of being looked down upon for being male was not me being misogynistic or me not understanding the plight of other minorities. My first real experience with red pill theory was my high school physics teacher that complained that schooling was designed for women. He said that school praises those that sit down, shut up and only plays nice and that was not the way that boys learn or behave. He taught me a lot because he was the first teacher I ever had that seemed to understand how boys learn and catered to that need. It was fascinating. I did not know at the time that it was red pill theory in practice, but I enjoyed it. Since that experience I accepted that boys and girls learned differently and it always angered me that girls were so catered to in education. I found this sub-reddit in a education post mocking it and I have really enjoyed my time here.

[–]VaginalAssaultRifles 17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Becoming"? They were pretty fucking hostile to boys 30 years ago when I was there.

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

More like, they are social outcasts and have access to lethal weapons.

[–]thethirdcoast 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think poorly diagnosed and treated mental illness in our awful mental health care system also play a huge role.

[–]soapjackal 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On top of cultural stigma Towards mental instability and destabilized familial / tribal relations

[–]mastapetz 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In some regions, at least in Europe, they try to ban games like counter strike , because it makes the kids more brutal and shit. Every time there is a shoot out in a school, the biggest issue is what kind if video games the shooter played. In Germany quake was banned, you weren't able to buy it, pages weren't allowed to have adds showing the English name. Getting postal 1 over here was next to impossible This bullshit about video games making people more prone to brutality is always kinda there

[–]radrave 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it's like that in america for all boys

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Christina Hoff Summers is great.

She's been writing books on this stuff for years. Her and Camille Paglia are female writers I respect.

[–]JoinThePatriarchy 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe now we can start talking about the forced stoicism of males

[+]watersign -6 points-5 points-4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

any one with kids these days has got to be a fool to send their kids to public schools. all places full of child molesters and homosexuals

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