Does having a low value job make you equal to a low value woman (fat/ugly)?

longschlong12 · 2016-11-02T12:12:10+00:00

No, bums who have no jobs or minimum wage jobs can still pull easily, it is cause they have other things going on for them, like social standings or for lack of a better word, swag.

The other guys that don't have all that, have money to make up for it.

You should aim for the best of both worlds

nzgs · 2016-11-02T15:25:22+00:00

Your job is only relevant to your provider status. If you're aiming to attract women on the basis of your provider status then yes it makes you low value. The only men who set themselves up to be beta-bux are guys with nothing else going for them though (the ugly Indian guys who flood dating sites with pictures of their used BMWs).

If you have other things going for you then your job value helps but it isn't a deal breaker. I know far too many broke personal trainers who absolutely slay attractive women for me to ever believe that job status is everything that matters. Looks > social proof > job

MattyAnon · 2016-11-02T17:47:33+00:00

Does having a low value job make you equal to a low value woman (fat/ugly)?

No. Read the sidebar. Low value job does not prevent you being AF. It actively helps prevent you being BB. I could pull girls just fine when I had no job at all. I had a funny line to cover this that wasn't ego-protecting but just covered it nicely and ended the conversation.

19% BF

Work on this.

but for the life of me does no 'fit' girl seem interested. When I say fit I just mean a healthy weight and average features

5/10 girls chase 8/10 guys. It's not that you're a 5, it's that she can fuck an 8. Social media distorts this further in her favour, because she can post up that one myspace-angle shot that makes her look cute when she's really not, and watch the validation roll in.

For our 7/10 guy to get a 7/10 girl means being a beta, dating her exclusively, having not much sex at first, and what little sex there is has to be in exchange for increasing commitment from him to keep her. He's perpetually competing with 9/10 guys, and she's using this to demand payment (in the form of commitment). If he pauses, she'll let him know that other men are interested.

. I think my low level job (warehouse work) and having no 'real' friends (I have two acquaintances at work... thats it) turns them off

Social/friends is more important than the job. Your job is limiting you and not the girls. Why not just lie about your job and see if that fixes it? Tell them you're a brain surgeon and see if it makes any difference. It won't help you get laid, beyond her little dollar signs lighting up in her eyes.

. I've tried online dating

If you're not handsome or ripped, forget online dating. Just forget it. Really. Ditch it all. It works against you in every possible way.

they'll be snapped up within days or weeks

No they won't, because they are women and they don't know what they're doing. They have OPTIONS all the time, but they don't dive straight into an exclusive monogamous relationship. They keep looking and keep riding the CC and don't get "snapped up" immediately because they are simply not monogamous in the way you have been led to believe.

Its supply demand

The supply is healthy women 20-30. The demand is men 20-50. That's a 3:1 ratio right there.

Attractive women are going to have offers left and right. They tend not to be good offers, but nevertheless being on the receiving end of them buoys up her ego and validates her. It's cheap and shallow, but it's how they work.

5ft9.75

You're measuring to 1/4 of an inch? That's dumb, just measure your height first thing on a morning and round to nearest inch. 5-9 is fine. Call it 5-10 online if you want, noone is gonna measure you.

I just feel a sense of great hopelessness

You're fat. There, I said it, you're fat. 19% is not hot. To fuck average girls you need to be actually hot. It's not like being a girl where you can just be average and that's attractive to men (of course it is - so long as she's fertile she's worth giving our seed). You're male, and for men you have to be hot to get laid. Not "sort of averagely attractive". Actually hot.

To be hot you need to have very few major failings and a standout feature in your environment. That feature needs to be visceral. Money doesn't count, job doesn't count. It's looks, physique, personal power and social standing.

Major failing: being chubby. Sort it out, and quit whining. It's a simple fact of animals that you have to be top 20% to get laid much as a male. This fact is not going to change. Crying about it won't change it. Saying it is unfair isn't going to change it. It just fucking is.

Next work on a standout feature IN AN ENVIRONMENT. Be a great talker somewhere you can be heard. Be a great dancer in a club. Be a great socialiser at a party. You get the idea.

Now you need to add in a little social credit - people liking you, girls enjoying your company. Make them laugh. Other girls see it. Their attraction increases.

Plus you look better when you've lost your chub. Your face will improve. Sort your hair out.

This is what it takes to get laid. Either do this and enjoy it, or say "it's not worth it" and give up. But don't whine about reality to us - we fucking know already.

Just feel people are conspiring against me.

There is no conspiracy, except the conspiracy of women to push men towards BB by constantly assaulting and devaluing men and masculinity. Happily however you are TRP aware and not fooled.

Rommel0502 · 2016-11-02T15:59:34+00:00

Money in itself adds to your sexual opportunities in two ways. The first is she sees your money as hers and will do what she has to gain access to it. How you react to this determines if you are BB or not. (No issues at all with using the specter of your resources to get her into the sack, as long as you dont actually expend any on her.)

The second is because of the above, other women will also want you more, which in itself increases your SMV across the board.

What is important to note here is having resources doesn't make you beta bux, but expending them on a woman does. To emphasize, your resources are for YOU, to make YOU happy and make YOUR life better. If some leach will fuck you silly because she thinks doing so will gain her access to your resources, all the better, just dont actually give her access.

You really shouldnt care WHY a ho is banging you, just that she is. If that's because of her trying to spread her legs into your wallet, fine, just remember you are the ultimate gatekeeper of your assets. They are for your happiness, and yours alone.

RPSnuggles · 2016-11-02T18:56:43+00:00

Learn game. Learn how to be fun. Learn how to be positive.

You have WEAK inner game and it is apparent because your thoughts show in your writing.

Dude, study some RSDMax and RSDTyler if you cannot even pickup. Get in shape. When you want to get your dick wet, go to a club or a park and approach as many women as possible.

Women want experiences. High value women can pick any dick they want. The dick they want is a cool, non-needy guy with low neuroticism who can have fun with them. You can call him Chad, you can be Chad. You can still pull bitches with a pot belly obvs the odds change when you improve your style and body.

https://youtu.be/k-FhyEuBR30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVrHKoQtBlA

bonerdude420 · 2016-11-03T02:09:11+00:00

Despite all the replies to the contrary, your job is a problem.

Low paid, blue collar work shows you are low social class. Some guys pull off the 'starving artist/musician' trope and get girls, but you are way too old for it. You might be thinking about tonight, but girls are already planning the rest of their life. Not having money is OK, but low social class is not

You're also slightly short and overweight so unless you have killer looks you're not going to inspire lust in girls with options.

NeoreactionSafe · 2016-11-02T15:18:36+00:00

Chad Thundercock

Rumor has it that he is in the Porta Potty Cleaning Business and operates it through his own private company (just himself... he runs his own pumper truck). Everyone says he has a "shitty job" but he doesn't care and has a IDGAF attitude about everything.

Chad is really strong and when he isn't working he's lifting weights at the gym.

On weekends he goes to the clubs and scores with tons of hot chicks and fucks them long and hard then dumps them... no commitment for Chad.

So yeah... you can have a "shitty job" and get chicks... ask Chad Thundercock.

animationphilosopher · 2016-11-02T12:46:06+00:00

To answer your question in the title, sleeping with a woman who is low value does not make you a low value male but it could definitely make you feel that way. Sex is an expression of self esteem and so if no one is coming along that you're actually attracted to, I'd say it's better to not sleep with anyone, preserve your self esteem and dignity. You could always move, of course, but you can also make changes where you are.

PaulAJK · 2016-11-02T20:31:43+00:00

19% bodyfat is fat. You're a fat man. Try cutting to sub 15% and have another go.

sd4c · 2016-11-02T22:16:40+00:00

but i need a sex life with healthy looking women to feel desired & human

No you don't. Stop looking for validation outside of yourself. If you don't like your job, quit looking for chicks and re-train yourself in something you do like until you're satisfied with your career, health, and lifestyle (hobbies and social life).

THAT'S the time to look for women. Anything sooner, will hold you back. Because women are like children-she's not going to want to spend her nights helping you study for the firefighter's exam, or learning German. She's going to want to watch TV, have sex, go out. And there's nothing wrong with that but in order to improve your life it's going to take time and money- things in finite supply which women prefer we spend on or with THEM, instead of ourselves.

p3n1x · 2016-11-02T16:54:26+00:00

Do you do anything exciting other than "hit the trails"?? You are putting a lot of 'hamstering' into external items and not the guy in the mirror.

Would you want to date you? Are you fun? Why are you fun and interesting?

depression // I just feel a sense of great hopelessness. // to feel desired & human.

You are looking at things backwards. Fix this 'depressed muppet' first. You wear this in your body language and on your face. Women have a built in defense mechanism and can smell your lack of interest in yourself.

You are doing things to feel "normal" instead of shit that makes you happy. Fix your diet, go to the gym, get into something that makes you passionate about it. Maybe goto an AA meeting to learn about grief control.

longtimetrplurker · 2016-11-02T17:07:34+00:00

The problem might be that your appearance reflects your earnings. If you look cheap women will notice you work a low value job. It's not difficult to look like a million bucks with a UK wage, even a minimal one. £15 pants, shirts and sweaters and £40 blazers and jackets are well within your financial reach if they're within mine in a country with average after tax wage being around £100/week.

neetpepe · 2016-11-02T22:29:30+00:00

Been getting tons of pussy in spite of not having a job at all.

You should quit working at the Shekelstein warehouse and become a NEET.

aanarchist · 2016-11-02T11:19:57+00:00

just don't expect her to beta bux you is all. just get in her head and make her feel good and you can pee on her for all she cares. the truth is there are women where you could be unemployed and she will find you attractive if you can actually hold a conversation and press her buttons.

sir_wankalot_here · 2016-11-02T11:47:16+00:00

I think my low level job (warehouse work) and having no 'real' friends (I have two acquaintances at work... thats it) turns them off

Possibly but how are they finding out where you work, unless you tell them. If they ask you it is a shittest. Ways to pass, claim an occupation that is farcical like drug dealer or hitman or call them on it. Why do you want to know where am I work ? You want me to buy you stuff ?

SomeGuyNY · 2016-11-03T00:25:24+00:00

I work a blue collar job (warehouse for £8 per hour wage)

Working for so little money implies you have no ambitions or drive - something integral to attracting women. Also the UK is a hopeless shithole.

thefisherman1964 · 2016-11-03T16:16:08+00:00

No it doesn't. Think about guys age 18-22. Many who are unemployed and broke can easily score fine pussy in that age group. If you're sufficiently alpha you can be homeless and still be a hot woman's alpha fucks.

That being said, having money makes it a hell of a lot easier to improve other areas of your SMV, specifically looks and status. You should only have a "high status" job because you want to, not because you think it's what women want. You don't want them to view you as potential beta bucks.

fenghsui · 2016-11-03T23:36:34+00:00

Bro... When I first started i was pulling gainfully employed and good looking chicks while living with my mom and two kids, no job, skinny as fuck, with... Nontraditional fashion choices.

You are focusing too much on metrics and not enough on subtext, who you are in your essence, abundance mentality, confidence, etc. All that other stuff is icing. Its about YOU and how YOU act.

E.g. what do you mean you rarely get messaged? Its your job to provoke them. Girls never message first unless theyre uggos. Lines work. Be funny, be cool, take a risk. For example, i see an Econ major on tinder. "I see you major in Eco. Can you supply my demand?" That's a bona fide catch. You need two ingredients. 1) to act in such a way that shows your interest is worth something, aka being 'alpha'. 2) show them that you are interested in them - either right off the bat, as in Tinder or direct approach, or after you use your presence (dont speak unless its meaningful. Use eye contact.) to get them to seek your interest, as you would at work, in a long term social setting, etc.

You have the power. Trust yourself.

Title	Does having a low value job make you equal to a low value woman (fat/ugly)?
Author	Cynewald
Upvotes	12
Comments	24
Date	November 2, 2016 11:16 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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