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When Paul writes that we shall sin no more post-salvation, why do I still want to? Why doesn’t life steer towards good?

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May 9, 2020
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Why am I still being tempted to sin even though I’m saved? How come life steers in the opposite direction of where I want to go?

For example, I don’t want to have sex with hundreds of women for the sake of lust. I want one women and to start a family. (Plenty more examples but chose this one)

So why doesn’t my life lead me to the right woman so I can do what is right? Wouldn’t it be much easier and noticeable for non-believers?

“Hey, this guy is always happy and looks successful and has a great wife and family. How did he get that? Oh he’s Christian? Maybe I should look into that”

Idk, just seems like no matter how much good I want to do. No matter how genuinely my heart wants to do great things and help others and promote the Great Commission, I’m stuck in the mud or go backwards. I’d pray about it and honestly don’t see the skies clearing up.

And I know Paul speaks of this same phenomena and about the thorn in the flesh and that Grace is sufficient.

It seems like God or life doesn’t want to cooperate with me. Isn’t it Gods will to promote Christianity? Doesn’t God want us to win souls and deliver people?

For the older people, could you maybe provide some personal testimonies on how life appeared to be foggy and then through time you realized how God was guiding you and helping you do more and do better?


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Title When Paul writes that we shall sin no more post-salvation, why do I still want to? Why doesn’t life steer towards good?
Author agoodcrayon
Upvotes 4
Comments 13
Date 09 May 2020 09:46 PM UTC (9 months ago)
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[–]rocknrollchuck3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

So why doesn’t my life lead me to the right woman so I can do what is right? Wouldn’t it be much easier and noticeable for non-believers?

Because personal choice is the essence of free will. You see, God wants glory for Himself (Isaiah 48:9-11). He created us to glorify Him. But to do that, He had to create us with free will. Why? Because if He created us to glorify Him, then we would just be doing what we were programmed to do - like robots. That wouldn't bring God much glory. The greatest glory for God comes from beings who can choose to accept and glorify Him, or reject Him - and they make the choice to worship and glorify Him of their own free will. That brings God the most glory.

Evil is a byproduct of free will - it comes from all the choices that are made by human beings with free will to reject what God wants. This is where obedience comes into play.

For the older people, could you maybe provide some personal testimonies on how life appeared to be foggy and then through time you realized how God was guiding you and helping you do more and do better?

Here's my testimony.

[–]UpTanks5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Becoming a Christian is actually the opposite of "the easy life" as you're alluding to. Its essentially a declaration of war.

Now that you've chosen God's side, naturally you will be targeted much more fiercely by the enemy. Or even this: now that you've decided to not only chose a side - but to go beyond this by actively going to the front lines - uh oh..

I was very comfortable last year with regard to my sins etc, I was on top of everything and just enjoying the 'cruisy Christian life'. But then I got a job as youth minister at my old high school, and all of a sudden I backslid into all these old sins I thought I would never do again. Why? Because not only did I swear allegiance to God, I marched into the battle and became a threat to the enemy and his kingdom of darkness.

If the Christian life was just a key to living comfortably - that would be really boring and uneventful imo. And it would attract people whose hearts weren't in it for God, but rather their own fickle prosperity. Isn't it much more fulfilling to be directly involved in a cosmic conflict where the souls of billions are at stake? When we talk about mission on this sub, it's not just "now that you're driven you can secure job, wifey and house and go to heaven when you die" - it's eternally more than that!

The very purpose, therefore importance of mission lies in the nature of the war we are in, not the matters of worldly possessions.

He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

So yes, life as a Christian is tough, lets not lie about that. But it's not tough because we are weak, it's tough because we are meant to be all-conquering warriors:

What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:

“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[–]GinoMan24400 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Well, when paul describes sin post salvation as an impossibility, he uses the aorist tense. He's not saying that suddenly we will forever stop sinning and be perfect. He's saying that we won't make a habit of sin anymore, we'll war against our sin. We still struggle, we still fail, we still suffer. But the fact that we struggle, rather than sin without a care, is where we see God's grace. His grace is found in our weakness.

[–]agoodcrayon[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I get that part but in the beginning of my Christian walk things were much smoother. I would pray and things would be revealed the next day or week. Now my prayers aren’t being heard it seems.

Are prayers answered based on obedience or behavior?

Still wonder why I must toil in anguish instead of life working out. Do I just work and collect a paycheck and save money and do things on the side until I retire and die?

I’m not trying to sound depressed but I honestly wouldn’t mind if God took me up to heaven as soon as I received salvation. This limited life logically seems pointless now. I’ll never know how many lives I’ve reached or how many people got saved anyway.

[–]Deep_Strength3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I get that part but in the beginning of my Christian walk things were much smoother. I would pray and things would be revealed the next day or week. Now my prayers aren’t being heard it seems.

Are prayers answered based on obedience or behavior?

What type of prayers are you praying?

Praying is not about getting what we want or based on our obedience or behavior (most of the time at least), it's about praying in the will of God to bring His kingdom here on earth (e.g. God's will). If I pray for the fruit of the Spirit such as joy or patience in my life, I will be put in situations to work on those.

If I pray for a house.. well, I guess it could be answered but likely in a way where I was faithful with little things (e.g. my finances were in order) and then I would be faithful with much (e.g. save up over time to buy a house). Normally things don't drop out of the blue.

Still wonder why I must toil in anguish instead of life working out. Do I just work and collect a paycheck and save money and do things on the side until I retire and die?

I’m not trying to sound depressed but I honestly wouldn’t mind if God took me up to heaven as soon as I received salvation. This limited life logically seems pointless now. I’ll never know how many lives I’ve reached or how many people got saved anyway.

What's your mission for God?

If you don't know your mission you're going to flounder. Every Christian has a role to play in the body of Christ and has spiritual gifts to use. Every Christian is tasked with sharing the gospel and loving and serving others. What are you doing to be a part of that?

You sound like you think that God is some Cosmic vending machine or something. He's not there to give us what we want. We are here to serve His purposes. That's the whole point of being a Christian (e.g. one who follows Christ). We are on Christ's mission here - Matthew 28 Great Commission.

[–]GinoMan24400 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Prayers don't change God's mind. God already knows exactly what you need, how you're going to pray, and how he's ordained for things to happen. The point of prayer is not to change God's mind, it's to change you. It's to cause you to submit to God, to put him in charge of your life, and to submit your thinking to God's thinking.

For example, with regards to reaching lives and saving people, it's not for you to know, it's for you to trust God, that is, to have faith, and let him handle the results. You're just here to plant and water the seeds, it's God who brings the harvest.

I think the better question you need to ask yourself is are you willing to trust him? Because that's the biggest thing that is the ground of everything else that is taught here. If you don't trust him and his ways, then you need to get that right first.

[–]Praexology0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

What verses are you sourcing for this?

[–]agoodcrayon[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

What do you mean? I’m not debating scripture, I’m asking for advice on seeing through the fog and how to gain favor I guess?

[–]Praexology0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Not debating. Just want to know what verses you're talking about when you say Paul says you will not sin post-salvation.

[–]agoodcrayon[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Don’t have the time at the moment but 1 Corinthians chapters 6 & 7 for reference. And it’s not that you won’t sin but I’m asking why would God allow such a thing after receiving salvation. Kind of would make more sense to not sin at all and to have a direct connection to God to portray true Christianity.

[–]Praexology1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

God didn't make man so that we could be happy - but so that He could be glorified. His glory isn't derived from our sinlessness, but rather from our subsequent repentance and redemption through Christ.

God loves an underdog, (you rarely see spokespeople in the Bible that God uses to represent anything BUT an underdog.) and you can see that is a trait passed on through his spark to man. We are not inspired by perfection. We are inspired by perseverance, dedication, humbleness, courage, and love in the face of opposition.

Don't feel discouraged by your failures - God doesn't. Because he isn't relying on you to complete his plans. But by God's grace we are given a chance to be apart of them.

[–]SeasideJune0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When I feel some of the things you are describing, I always remember Jesus praying (pleading, even) at Gethsemene. He prayed for his cup to be taken... but he ended his prayer with saying "Your will be done." Even Jesus, perfect human and God divine, prayed for his suffering to be taken, and yet it was not. Having our prayers answered to us is not a given for the saved one. The fulfillment of God's will is. As a saved one, God's intention for your life will be done through you as you work hard every day to participate with his will and his plan for the world. All your prayers end with "But Your will be done." And if what we have been praying so earnestly for doesn't come to be, perhaps we can rest in that somehow it fits into God's almighty and infinitely better will.

One thing that helped me grow in my faith was getting a book that told the stories of 100 well known saints. I recommend you get any book like this that shares the lives of the saints (who are the ones we know are in heaven). In their lives, you will see story after story of suffering, difficulty, poverty, sacrifice, self-giving and lack of pleasure. You will also see their full satisfaction in living for God and suffering towards His Glory. Many saints have had periods in their lives where they felt distant from God, disconnected or disappointed. Their response to it was the same as their response to times of closeness and pleasure and plenty: to submit to God's will and endure in faith and living holy lives.

[–]Willow-girl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why doesn't life steer toward good?

I think it does (if you're doing things right, lol) but the arc may be so long that it's hard to recognize your incremental progress. These things have a way of creeping up on you!

My advice to you would be to set aside the "big picture" for now and simply do the next right thing. If you concentrate on getting the little things right, the big ones have a way of taking care of themselves.



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