Difference being masculine and nice vs beta and getting pushed around

TheGirlGetter9000 · 2020-05-29T17:25:45+00:00

Masculine and nice - I will help others to achieve their goals because I have experience and want to share it with those who can benefit. I also may do nice things like hold doors open or whatever because I want to and because putting positive energy into the world is a good thing. I don't expect anything in return for my niceness and I do it out of the want to do it.

Beta and pushed around - I go out of my way for the sake of others to the point where it harms me personally. I also typically expect my niceness to be repaid in some fashion, since I'm low value and that repayment would mean the world to me.

Difference generally lies in the value you place on yourself. If you place a high value on yourself and want to spread it, that's benevolent masculinity. If you place yourself below others and essentially serve them, that's beta simp behavior.

Protocol_Apollo · 2020-05-29T18:12:54+00:00

I’ll let other people fill in the blanks/tell you to read the sidebar which you should and recommend you look up the word nice on the main subreddit if it’s a major obstacle for you.

But I’ll tell you two things which could get glossed over.

Being nice is fine. Just don’t use it as a sexual strategy.
Being nice only works from a position of power/value.

Without it, it’s just placating.

With it, that’s when they know you are being nice even though you don’t HAVE TO.

So build your value/power first.

skyrunner22 · 2020-05-29T19:59:03+00:00

First thing is to hold yourself first. Your own mental point of origin. You are primary in your life. If you get this concept everything else falls into place. You only need validation from you. From there you are able to base how to help people and do it for right reasons.

When you are being overly nice, usually you are puting others first, or trying to win over their favor by doing too much. It makes you a sweet lick, a mark, someone easy to toy with and get over on in general, but with women you end up putting them on pedestal. Since they are hypergamous she cant be attracted to you because you have her higher above you. Treat her like a star, she will treat you like a fan.

Put yourself on pedestal, love yourself, invest in yourself, respect yourself. Naturally boundaries and frame come from this. The programming is deep and it will take time to put the natural order

MindlessCalendar · 2020-05-29T20:49:17+00:00

If you are new, you should start off by reading 3 things:

The sidebar. Go on the main TRP sub. In the sidebar on the right are the basics of TRP. The same applies for this sub. Sidebar.
The Handbook. Google 'The Red Pill Handbook 2nd edition' and download it.
The Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi. Again, you can easily Google and download this.

These are 3 essential reads for beginners and teach you more than asking questions here.

Snowboard18 · 2020-05-29T18:53:27+00:00

It all comes down to boundaries. The alpha has clear boundaries, the beta has none.

Example- A guy at a bar bumps into you and says watch where your going even though he was the one that bumped into you.

The alpha would check him real quick, something like “watch your fucking mouth bud” or just straight up push him back.

The beta just says sorry bro.

Noodlesoupe2 · 2020-05-30T00:18:30+00:00

Alphas are nice because it benefits others. Betas are nice because it benefits them.

jacquesdedurden · 2020-05-30T02:52:24+00:00

I have the same doubt as you OP, even though I am no expert but I have slightly better understanding now after reading these books. I am calling it Nice Guys Diagnosis and Treatment. The key here is to understand it as spectrum and not black-and-white thing.

Nice Guy - Integrated - Asshole
Beta - Integrated - Misogynist Alpha
Submit - Assertive - Dominant

These books will help you to become more integrated, honest and assertive.

Not Nice
No More Mr. Nice Guy
When I say No, I feel Guilty
Getting Real
Radical Honesty

If you want to learn about masculinity, red pill, and social dynamics, I recommend

The Rationale Male
Side bar
The way of a superior man
48 laws of power

IXseed · 2020-05-30T09:08:28+00:00

The difference between the two is how do you stand on your word. You can be nice and still lead the interactions and situations to what you want.

AlpacaStrap · 2020-05-29T20:26:22+00:00

Go outside and figure it out

TxnyMontana · 2020-05-29T17:30:44+00:00

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Title	Difference being masculine and nice vs beta and getting pushed around
Author	aktheprodigy
Upvotes	14
Comments	11
Date	May 29, 2020 5:15 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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