Maybe it's not possible to fully get over disillusionment

GeneralKinetics89 · 2020-01-23T18:07:11+00:00

I agree.

It is very disheartening to come to that realization after taking the red pill. The fact of the matter is that, unless you can tick all of a woman's boxes, there is no point in seriously dating her, because she will never be satisfied with you. It is legally too risky to lie and try to inflate your value, even casually, because of false rape accusations, etc.

For me, the hypergamy is so unchained, that the only kind of woman who would want me is so far beneath what i would want, that I'm fucked. Therefore, I find solace in working, saving money, living my own life, seriously lifting weights.

Modern women who want to be stay at home moms and traditional homemakers, can't even find satisfaction and fulfillment in taking care of and raising a family, so therefore everybody in the family suffers.

If you aren't a 6ft tall rich Chad who can pay for every date at 5 star restaurants, then she can retroactively accuse you of rape, in order to save face and social image. etc, etc, etc.

Maximum_Afternoon · 2020-01-23T18:01:34+00:00

It's like when you grow up and realize that all the food at the State Fair is bad for you. As a kid, you thought "Man, if only I could LIVE here!!!"

DangZagnut · 2020-01-23T18:27:57+00:00

Thank god I never had that problem. The whole idea just sounds like a trap and wasted life.

But then I didn’t grow up with a religion of parents that ever had the slightest care about my relationships. Not once have they ever asked about it or ever mentioned marriage to me.

Probably why it’s never been a thing for me. I lucked out.

Sorry you’re going through that though.

lowkey150 · 2020-01-23T19:48:10+00:00

Sadly, I've come to the same conclusion.

Going over it in my head, trying to make sense of it, but the facts are staring at you right there in the face:

The other half of humanity uses games, tactics, manipulation, nagging, tricks, lies, omission, all sorts of shit, to bag themselves men and extract resources from them.

It's just that.

They give you sex once in a while, they might say nice things every now and then, but it's just to keep you interested. None of it is actually real, and that's what the joke is. Give them too much respect and they start disrespecting you. We are there trying to be genuine, honest, respectful, etc. They are there putting it all on, just to secure a future, which is fair enough, everyone must try to survive out there, but the way in which its done by women is just, disingenuous.

And therein lies the disillusionment you mentioned, most women are simply disingenuous by nature.

Edit: Apologies, that might have sounded a bit too /MGTOW1ish

tiredofshit · 2020-01-23T20:08:08+00:00

I don't think any of us completely get over it. It's coded into us by nature. After a while it gets dull like an old injury that aches when it rains.

RedPillMissionary · 2020-01-23T20:47:05+00:00

It never was possible. Marriage was a survival tool, a parental mechanism, and a morally binding institution. It never had anything to do with falling in love, except for maybe wealthy diplomats and fairy tale characters. Even our grandparents stayed together for cultural reasons, not 'love.' Find some male mentors, a good group of intelligent friends, and if you need to scratch the itch, keep it in that category. That's how we've survived 200,000 years.

rockstarsheep · 2020-01-23T21:57:23+00:00

Dear Gentlemen,

I would not despair just yet. Hear me out for a second if you will.

It goes without saying, that men and women are different. You'd think that we'd be complimentary differences to each other. That is to say, we could team up and face the challenges of our lives together. See ourselves through the thick and thin.

Maybe we need to realise that this is an ideal type of situation, which is incredibly difficult to see through a whole lifetime. Certain people might best suit us at different stages of our life paths. Or some might just stick around from cradle to grave. Highly unlikely, but it's a possibility. Probability? I don't know for sure, but I am guessing very slim. Times and tides change. Life is flux. And even in a situation where we could have, something like an ideal set of circumstances, there's just no guarantee. Human ideas fit reality, for as long as they last.

And part of human reality is this; and it is driven by evolutionary biology. Men will seek out the best women to breed with, and women will seek out the best men to breed with. Apparently, prior to our domestication in the form of agriculture, we live in polyamorous tribes. Where both materials and supplies were shared communally. That also means sexual partners and the responsibilities of raising children. We decided to tweak the system, when we started to congregate in agricultural (farming) configurations. That incurred further specialisation of roles and responsibilities, and that in turn started to create the different sorts of hierarchies that sprung from this. And with the introduction of property and property rights, there needed to be a way to resolve ownership without bloodshed, over generations. This gave rise to what became monogamous relationships. Just because this happened, didn't stop men and women from have wondering eyes.

I am going to categorically state, that I am not a fan of polyamory. I do not see any benefit to myself to share my resources with someone who's at their whim, decides that they'll have it better elsewhere, because they're not getting their demands met. I have used the term, demands, instead of needs, because I think that needs are food, water, shelter and clothes. Everything else after that is sophistry.

Much to my bemusement, but I really feel that we have seen an immense moral and ethical decay set in, for quite some time. It predates all of us though. It was Nietzsche who put his finger on this. Responsibility got thrown out the window quite some time ago. Now it's all about unbridled 'freedom,' which comes without any sort of consequences. Technology has played the role of a double sided sword here, because it has become an enabler of some rather atrocious behaviour. This applies equally to men and women. Virtue is on life support at the minute, and unless changes are made, well; we're just lubing up the slippery slope to some form of hell that we've never experienced before.

Unfortunately until some sort of rock bottom is hit, we're all in for something of a bumpy and uncomfortable ride. And unfortunately we are inheriting a past that has been quite unfair and imbalanced; to men and women alike.

That doesn't necessarily mean that there is no way forward, and a good way at that. Even with the conflict that comes inherent with our apparent biology, we are faced with the fallout of our "easy-to-use" cultures. The real hard work has shifted from the land, for most of us, now in the development of ourselves as individuals and how, in groups we operate with each other. The standards have gone up for us, and we can either bemoan them or accept them and make our way forward.

There are decent women out there, just as there are decent men. Not all women are these salubrious sluts, as not all men are creepy lothario types. It is truly one of the most outstanding hypocrisies of the PUA-TRP practitioners. They want low count women, that they can spin as plates, but don't seem to think that they're actually in the business of creating these disillusioned and damaged women that they claim to not want. They have no way to square this. Other than to move on to the next person. And truly they are the real queens of hypergamy.

So what are you supposed to do?

Well, you have a great opportunity to take some time to build yourself and your life, and if you should meet someone; you then vet them, instead of trying to bed them at the first opportunity. You take things slowly, and you find out what's good for you. You don't sell yourself short. You don't let your fear or loneliness, become bitterness and anger. You forge your own life.

And it is totally fine to say that you would like to find something endearing and enduring to yourself and your life. It might take you a long time to find that, but it's more important to focus on your journey to that point. When you raise your standards, others will have to raise theirs to meet yours. Or else they are going to be excluded. Subs like FDS, which are sort of amusing and terrifying in the same breath, show you that women are in just as much trouble as men. When you have to double down and become a malevolent and detestable human being, you can only but start to fathom what emotional cancer that they must be suffering.

I would say that you should use your time and this opportunity, to get your life in the best order that you can. That we, as an individuals and also as a group, because we cannot exist within a vacuum - need to help and encourage each other along the ways we go.

And if anything, find someone who's also doing their best to get their life together. They are out there. Take them off the pedestals you may put them on. And stop looking at bad examples and feeling despair. You may have to set forth and create the example that you want to live by.

So don't give up just yet.

MuleFool42 · 2020-01-23T18:25:59+00:00

You can still have relationships but on your own terms. Never marry, or live with a person. That removes most resources and it prevents people from 'using' you too much. You still have a connection with someone else, but the dynamic is set up for both of you that nothing is guaranteed and that both parties have to make it successful.

When people move in together they stop trying and relationships become stale. This way, you keep your shit, and keep your relationship fresh, and you don't get used.

Impossible-asset · 2020-01-23T22:53:56+00:00

Why feel upset? It just is.

It's not something to be angry about.

I'm not pissed at all knowing that great white sharks are not struggling vegans, but actually do eat, well, anything. (Shak tale reference there).

But I also am not going to go swimming with them.

qemist · 2020-01-23T23:06:43+00:00

I still feel upset that it's not possible to find a loving relationship with a woman.

Why not?

women just use men for resources.

Of course you have to offer something to get something. When humans make an appropriate reproductive agreement both parties will feel love.

Joshadow11 · 2020-01-24T01:32:28+00:00

That’s not true tho.

Not all women are are like this, true, many most are, but you need to look beyond them and see how they were raised. Sure, maybe all the girls you’ve come across are sluts, but there’s at least another 3 billion out there, and one of them is right for you.

impirepro06 · 2020-01-24T02:09:12+00:00

The more you focus on the thoughts that cause pain, the more you will continue to suffer. Instead of focusing on thoughts and things that upset you, focus on thoughts and things that make you happy.

Respect yourself enough to stop torturing yourself by focusing on negative thoughts. If you want to find happiness then stop looking for it in the thoughts that cause pain and negative emotion.

Thoughts are linked to emotions. Just like physical pain tells you to remove your hand from the burning hot stove before you cause more damage to yourself. Negative emotions tell you to remove your focus from the thought that is causing that negative feeling. You can’t heal if you keep your hand on the stove.

jdub0072 · 2020-01-24T02:40:31+00:00

Unfortunately, you just can't give them the benefit of the doubt to try to trust them. Eventually, you will get burned.

MajinYUU · 2020-01-24T06:12:17+00:00

Well do you want sexual validation or emotional companionship? I think men confuse love and lust which makew things problematic.

Metalcrazyx · 2020-01-24T11:26:07+00:00

This is why I advocate studying evolutionary biology. You need to understand the sexual strategies of both sexes. The 'meaning' of life is to reproduce. There is no 'love'. You are a protector/provider, and the female pops out buckets of DNA. Women are not evil, they just follow their programming. Men are praying mantises, they will kill each other, and immolate themselves just to stick their penises inside a moist hole. See reality for what it is. Understanding and knowledge is the way forward

Title	Maybe it's not possible to fully get over disillusionment
Author	TigPlaze
Upvotes	1
Comments	34
Date	January 23, 2020 5:43 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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