Calling a Spade a Spade

Hodgekin · 2018-04-06T18:04:43+00:00

Mgtow is what the constituents (the people) make it.

Like all things that was cool and trendy, once the mass of people adopt it, it becomes dumb down. Why?

Because the people that represents it are dumb. Not to sound harsh, but it's the truth. The average of any group of people will shift towards the mean when "n" is large enough. When MGTOW started small, only a hand full of smart guys kept it real. Now it's been adopted by thousands, and the shift IQ is going towards the mean of the population.

There's not much we can do about it. It's just a part of nature so to speak. I'm not particularly fond of the side effects of having MGTOW grow in popularity, but take it as a trade off in getting the "message" out there.

SuspectedLumber · 2018-05-10T00:44:01+00:00

I knew it'd come to this when they were celebrating how fast their sub was growing. Influx of kiddies and frustrated haters nesting there.

car23975 · 2018-05-04T23:55:31+00:00

I say its deliberate. They want this. We would control the anger a bit. I think we should get some popcorn and wait for the hate to spill over.

mhornberger · 2018-05-02T18:32:42+00:00

There is only so much activism to be had regarding doing your own thing. Not everyone is cut out for the solitude, or knows how to fill the time.

And if you want sex, you want sex. If you meet someone you like, it is what it is. Self-development is pretty much a solitary, introspective activity. There is only so much to talk about. I like that the MGTOW space exists, if only to afford men some sense of value and legitimacy to their existence apart from their role as the suitors or providers for women. But I admit I really have no manifestos to present, nothing to carry them over.

And the angry, hurt people will always suck the oxygen out of the room with their intensity. The TRADCONs, redpillers etc aren't going their own way, far from it, but to them MGTOW is just another venue to bash feminism and complain how much women suck.

LoneWanzerPilot · 2018-04-30T01:22:10+00:00

Glad to see someone remembers what the original MGTOW stood for.

Iceklimber · 2018-04-06T18:09:02+00:00

MRA

That subreddit is for new people who oftentimes only recently began to learn, so it is understandable to conflate it woth MRA given the similarities.

has become Incels

They have always been part of all communities including MGTOW. Think of this 2014 Sandman video about True Force Loneliness or that 2014 Going Your Own Way Forums comic

Condemning MGTOW because a part of them is incel is akin to calling this movement racist because there are a couple racists (2% according to TFMonkey) .

I give you credit in the sense that the subreddit. Lots of calls for ban on various sources and always pried on by shills, for example on the sidebar of /r/againstmensrights

Not sure if I understand this part by the way:

post about being a virgin. Whats that really got to do with gyow? It always comes back to sex talk.

It seems unfitting to both talk of no sex as well as talk of having sex to you.Impossible?

Bonus:

White guys

It is okay to be white

car23975 · 2018-04-10T06:27:13+00:00

I think mgtow is not for everyone. A lot of people should stay in the plantation because they may think that they left. But actually, they are still there; hence, most of /rmgtow.

Also real mgtow bros, make sure you take some form of propaganda class. The amount of propaganda in the world is unbelievable. Learn to use it. Your dumb followers will love and defend you for it.

Religion is ancient propaganda do not fall for it. Millions have died defending a lie or the corrupt. I recommend making your own religion or taking parts of all of them and unifying all the parts you think are true. Philosophy will help you counteract propaganda by asking critical questions.

ButtsMacGillacuty · 2018-04-12T11:40:55+00:00

I agree, the alt-right Neo Nazis are definitely trying to swap the subreddit consensus in a fascist direction. Regarding the virgin post though, I think it was about virgins that were MGTOW but being shamed into believing that they were really incels, and that their decision to GTOW wasn't out of them exercising agency, but rationalizing their outcast status in society.
It was actually a good post from what I remember.

squidjibo · 2018-04-08T23:25:38+00:00

Let's not turn this into a sub that only talks about r/MGTOW

EsotericXianAlchemy · 2018-04-06T21:24:12+00:00

It's degenerating further and further to the point where I find myself wasting more time wading through crap (even after avoiding so many obvious post titles) that I feel dirty and angry at myself for becoming distracted from anything useful. It's really tabloid right now, and leaves itself wide open to the usually piss-poor criticisms of the perceived enemy camp.

I don't want to get into a fight with them. That would be the worst detraction.

I think we should leave them alone and concentrate on the bigger picture and sharing advice regarding surviving hell.

This isn't really girls vs boys. It's that somebody is deploying socialism and it just so happens that the female hemisphere of the mind holds those values, so let's just swing everyone's minds to that hemisphere using oestrogens and sit back and watch everything go to shit. They pulled a "bodysnatchers" on us.

LetsGoAllTheWhey · 2018-04-06T19:12:10+00:00

"I ignored a bitch today because.." - Fortunately, I haven't had the opportunity to ignore a bitch lately because I already keep them at arms length and ignore them when they get relatively close. At work, it's always professional. At the gym, I ignore almost everyone and go there to workout, not socialize. Any other time there is no reason to engage with any of them so I don't.

I try to live a very simple life. I cut the cable a couple of years ago and don't miss it at all. Every now and then I'll stream a movie for free. Dine out in the bar section of restaurants a couple of times a month. I take my dog to the dog park and that's about it. Hobbies are reading, listening to music, and the gym.

I'm able to save quite a bit of money since the divorce and after I gave up dating. Treating women to dinner and drinks gets expensive and there's no benefit that I see.

Title	Calling a Spade a Spade
Author	Nino_BrownX
Upvotes	22
Comments	30
Date	April 6, 2018 3:50 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW2
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW2/comments/8aam7j/calling_a_spade_a_spade/
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