MRA's and femininists are not enemies of each other. The type of society we live in is

DelightfulFronds · 2021-03-03T12:16:56+00:00

So here's the issue.

Feminists claim to be about 'equality for all'. This is what the 'everyday feminists' believe that universally fall in to the category of armchair activists.

Feminists with actual institutional power - such as NGOs, journalists, lecturers, etc - are only concerned with womens issues even for non-gendered or male issues (see the 'close womens prisons' thing of late).

When someone tries to do a 'male issues' thing the institutional feminists attack it and smear it as misogyny. The main trick is to tell the first group (the armchair activists) that the male activism is unnecessary because feminism is about male issues so the only reason it has to exist is misogyny. This often includes out-of-context quoting of people (who often have nothing to do with it e.g. Roosh, Eliot Rogers).

As a result of this, and the fact that institutional feminists control the entire debate, the armchair activists will then back up the institutional feminists in attacking any male issue group.

Of course the people in the mens group camp get more and more pissed off as the cycle continues, leading to phrases like 'Feminism is cancer' which only feeds the smear portion of the cycle, furthering division.

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The problem with the above Kumbaya 'All Live Together' bullshit post is that the MRA groups have no institutional power, and will be smeared as misgynists regardless of how careful they act. For things to progress feminism needs to either be neutered, or reformed. Outside those two options no real progress can be made.

tl:dr; It is the feminists fault.

Ody_ssey · 2021-03-03T11:09:47+00:00

Well in reality, feminist organisations act in bad faith for those who aid men. This is what they did to a Canadian man who funded men's shelter with his own money and later committed suicide.

The only center for abused men in Canada shut down after it's owner committed suicide from going bankrupt.

It was actually significantly worse than that. It went bankrupt because the local women's shelters kept complaining to the government until they revoked the grant funding the government gives to various abuse shelters.

Women had many places they could go and most, if not all of them, refused to allow men. This guy tries to start a shelter solely for abused men, and the same shelters refusing entrance to men get the government to revoke his funding because his shelter doesn't allow women.

He kept it afloat for several years with his own money, even after he was kicked out of the building he was leasing due to complaints from the women's shelters. Used his own home to shelter these men and their children, and in the end he even lost that. That was the point when he committed suicide, after writing something like 6 pages for a suicide note detailing his fight against the government and community, simply for wanting a place for abused men to go.

Mary P. Koss

Although consideration of male victims is within the scope of the legal statutes, it is important to restrict the term rape to instances where male victims were penetrated by offenders. It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman.

Feminists lobbied against gender neutral rape laws in India, so women are not rapists and men victimized by women are not rape victims. https://www.timesofindia.com/india/Activists-join-chorus-against-gender-neutral-rape-laws/articleshow/18840879.cms

So a woman physically forcing sex on a man is not a rape in India, but a man breaking an engagement after having sex with his fiancee is a rape.

Israeli feminists were concerned if a woman raping a man was recognized by law, a man could threaten to make false accusations against the woman after the man raped her in order to keep her from reporting. Apparently false accusations are a problem for women, so they fixed this by blocking the legislation that would have made rape a gender neutral crime.

https://m.jpost.com/Israel/Womens-groups-Cancel-law-charging-women-with-rape

Nepal feminists also blocked legislation there ...

Women’s rights activists had criticised the draft ordinance saying it wasn’t empathetic towards the plight of the victims. They said that having a provision saying even men could be victims of rape could could further weaken the women rape victims’ fight for justice.

https://kathmandupost.com/national/2020/12/11/ordinance-amends-law-on-rape-but-fails-to-recognise-rape-of-boy-child-and-sexual-minorities

SweatyAdvance · 2021-03-03T14:14:44+00:00

MRA's saying that femininsts dont want equality, they just want to kill all men, is the same has femininists saying that the MRA's just want to opress women.

Your logic is flawed.

One one hand, you have feminists say ALL MEN ARE BAD, and on the other hand, you have MRAs saying FEMINISTS are bad, not all women.

Clear?

burninginthedistance · 2021-03-03T12:34:41+00:00

You're severely underestimating how dangerous the "normal" feminists really are.

rahsoft · 2021-03-03T14:22:43+00:00

Difference between feminism and MRA?

MRA - gets level playing field and equality for ALL , then shuts up shop, goes home and focus on life and their loved ones.

Feminism - Gets laws entirely in their favour, still blames men, then looks around for another "axis of evil" to justify their existence, funding, and status( e.g. they never finish even when they have everything)

tenchineuro · 2021-03-03T15:42:59+00:00

"MEN ARE THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL IN THE WORLD, AND WE SHOULD KILL THEM ALL". The amount of women that feel the first one is probably higher than 80%, while the one that promotes genocide is a reaallly small minority, and looked down by other femininists.

Often claimed, never proven.

cheesecake-81 · 2021-03-03T19:19:28+00:00

Unpopular opinion here but, you can be both. It's called being a humanitarian.

Advocating for everyone's rights.

Sonic_The_Hamster · 2021-03-03T11:04:57+00:00

When you actively promote lies and falsehoods to push your agenda and ignore victims because they aren't the same sex as you you are not promoting egalitarianism.

Most egalitarians aren't that smart. They believe the narrative and choose to follow the norms whilst actually ignoring the task issues.

Mens Rights is in its first wave right now, we're trying to get recognised, feminism is in its third wave have gained equal rights, or more than equal rights, in every part of life.

Title	MRA's and femininists are not enemies of each other. The type of society we live in is
Author	GustaQL
Upvotes	1
Comments	15
Date	March 3, 2021 10:54 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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