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He ain't wrong

similarMycteria

February 19, 2021
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Title He ain't wrong
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similarMycteria

Upvotes 2289
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Date February 19, 2021 8:42 AM UTC
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[–]tempest1523 416 points417 points418 points 5 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

The women's team was offered the exact pay scheme of the males and they turned it down. Why? Because they get benefits the males don't.

  1. They get paid a certain amount regardless of the games they get paid. Males get paid only when they play.
  2. The women negotiated more players on the team than the men so there are more players getting a piece of that guaranteed pie.
  3. The women have healthcare and daycare free whereas the males don't There are several benefits I forgot that the women have negotiated into their contact the makes don't.

So when soccer said ok we'll pay you the same as the males but it is the exact same contact the females said no, we want to keep our benefits and receive higher pay. Thisb package would have been better than the males and was not equal so soccer said no we are offering you the exact same pay scale contact and women's soccer turned it down. They women in women's soccer sued, they want their cake and eat it too. That's the real reason they make less, there are more financial benefits in women's soccer.

[–]tempest1523 249 points250 points251 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

If you really research into this story you will be disgusted. This has nothing to do with equal rights and all about greed.

[–]empatheticapathetic 81 points82 points83 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s almost as if...

[–]Gainit2020throwaway 60 points61 points62 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The most prominent figure on the team misrepresented the facts in the court case and when interviewed could only say "I'm not smart enough to answer but I know we deserve the same payment as the men!"

The entire women's world cup is subsidized by the male world cup. Just like NBA and WNBA and surprise surprise. Same shit is going on there. "We WNBA players deserve to be compensated more!!" When the league has never been profitable even once.

[–]thefudmaster 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You’re absolutely correct. The women’s US soccer team is a dominant force in the world for their sport. I still don’t understand why they chose the contract that they did, but they chose it. Then they sued, then they lost, and now they are appealing that decision. Never sign on the dotted line if you don’t know exactly what you’re signing.

[–]iceyH0ts0up 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Because they wanted guaranteed pay for everyone and other perks the men are fine risking not having.

[–]thefudmaster 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I should’ve phrased it better, I know the reason why they chose the way they did about the guaranteed income, but they are so dominant, they should’ve taken the risk. Monetary incentives are very powerful and I bet they would’ve been even more dominant if they had chosen the more favorable contract with the most risk.

[–]M4cerator 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are far more risk adverse than men.

[–]cheflueck1 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wanna hear a fun fact? This womens team lost to the 16 year old boys and the Brazil women national team lost to their 16 year old boys 6-0 lol

[–]Andre_DDSE 22 points23 points24 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But, but, but...muh patriarchy, muh pay gap!!! :(

[–]Sergey32321 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They also get paid less because noone wants to watch those dogshit boring games

[–]patoka13 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

this is the content we need on this subreddit, not "wah wah, mean gril was mean to me and hurt my feewings a bit"

[–]00DaveTV 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't seem like a remotely fair assessment of the typical posts you see on here, but whatever you say my dude

[–]goboks 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's a stealth white knight. They are evolving.

[–]patoka13 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

ever sorted by new? luckily most shit gets removed. annoyingly enough good content like this aswell

[–]00DaveTV 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Lol... Sorting by new and then complaining about the quality is like smacking a bee hive and complaining about getting stung

[–]patoka13 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

not complaining

just figured you didnt

[–]00DaveTV 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes I do. You missed the point though.

You shouldn't base your opinion of a sub on its "sort by new" content.

[–]patoka13 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

you said "typical post"

what if not the numeric majority of posts is the typical post for you?

[–]00DaveTV 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Clearly you're just a bit of a numb nut mate. Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

[–]patoka13 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

that's also a way to admit defeat. have a good one

[–]00DaveTV0 points 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No, you're just too dumb to realise you already lost hahaha. Just because you kept typing nonsense doesn't mean you win. That's literally a 5 year olds logic

[–]patoka130 points 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

"nO iT's NoT mE iT's YoU NANANA hAvE yOu LoOkEd InTo ThE mIrRoR?"

[–]00DaveTV0 points 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Seriously though... You're just a fucking moron haha

[–]merrell0 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The typical posts on this sub are incel fanfic and the dumbest people on this site eat it up.

Oops I mean women bad

[–]Peace_Out- 78 points79 points80 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

They still want "equal" pay. Show them this and let's see what's their reaction. I bet they'd change the topic from equal pay in an instant!

[–]ScaryShadowx 59 points60 points61 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No, they'll just say "no that's different, we deserve the same dollar figure because we play just as hard regardless of how much revenue we produce".

It's hasn't been about 'equal' for a while now, it's been about getting additional benefits and making it easier for their side under the guise of 'equality'.

[–]Lucifarai 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Their team would be bankrupt before the end of summer.

[–]goboks 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey, I say let's pay them more then as long as the team is allowed to fold.

[–]Lucifarai 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. I agree.

[–]Peace_Out- 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. I feel your words man!

[–]Iamlegend_future 23 points24 points25 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they were offered the exact same pay structure as the men, as in the same contract, and they turned it down. They then sued and lost.

[–]Rolaid-Tommassi 196 points197 points198 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Er, yes. But that would be to apply logic and, you know logic, like, patriarchy and stuff.

[–]zombiehitler_ 185 points186 points187 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If some random male extra on Wonder Woman demanded the same pay as Gal Gadot would anyone take him seriously?

[–]the_pupilwx 54 points55 points56 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This tbh.

[–]Shanium 62 points63 points64 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

After 1984...... probably

[–]goboks 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Burrrrrrnnnnnnnnnnnn

[–]Woody_S 81 points82 points83 points 5 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

The issue with equal pay is that no female footballer is amongst the best 10.000 football players in the world. Its a painful truth. I don't think i need to retell the story of the college boys. The athletic difference between men and women is extremely evident in professional sports, and football is no exception. Anyone who has watched womens football knows that the matches are not even third division level.

[–]swiftpenguin 32 points33 points34 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The US Womens national team got beat by an under 15 boys team in a scrimmage. like 5-2

[–]DanielLaRussoJohny 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even though the WNT wasn’t going all-out and they were missing a few of their star players, it’s pretty sad that the best women’s team in the world got demolished by some eighth graders and high school freshman

[–]goboks 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn, the women must have been playing amazing soccer that day.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

My brothers bantam hockey team played a national level women’s hockey team a while ago. His team ended up beating them comfortably. So kids around age 14-15 were able to beat a woman’s national level team hockey.

Because I saw that first hand, every time I see something about the failing women’s hockey league or see a female hockey player complaining about not getting money. I always remember that boys aged 14-15 can beat them.

[–]BigDaddydanpri 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

1999 World Cup winning USA Ladies team scrimmaged the University of VA Bench (no starters) and were down 4-0 in under 10 minutes.

[–]goboks 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am shit at soccer. When I was in middle school, my dad coached my sister's high school team. I used to help out.

They didn't have two goalies, so when they did a varsity vs JV scrimmage, I'd play goal for JV.

Most scrimmages ended 0-0. Watching the JV team play was like watching kindergarten soccer, so they rarely even got a shot on goal. The varsity team was much better, but they couldn't score on me.

This manifested into funny incidents twice.

Once, one of the other coaches gave my sister a penalty kick. I saved it. As a joke to needle me, he said I cheated and gave her another shot. I saved it again. This happened 6 times until I got bored on the 7th and didn't move. My sister missed the goal completely, but on 8 she basically passed it in as now she was embarrassed and I stood and looked at it as it rolled past me.

Another time, I got so frustrated at watching the uncos in front of me, that I just dropped the ball at my feet, dribbled through the entire varsity team on my own, and scored. My dad was fucking pissed at me.

I repeat, I'm pretty shit at soccer and never made any competitive team at any level.

[–]Iamlegend_future 22 points23 points24 points 5 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

10000 is being generous. I say it's more like in the top few million people who play football at all. Maybe even 100 million. I see this in wnba. I haven't played basketball competitively in about 20 years and I could take any wnba player 1v1. In my prime I think I could take the top 5 wnba players by myself.

[–]Nomahhhh 30 points31 points32 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I love to use a tennis reference to show the difference in athleticism...the Williams sisters (who are also on the upper end of a woman's average height, weight, and strength) were the best female players in the world. Some guy ranked 203 on the men's circuit absolutely destroyed them. They were very honest about the defeat, which I appreciate.

"At the height of the Williams boom in 1998, an unofficial game took place in Australia after Serena and Venus claimed that no male player outside the top 200 could beat them.

Up stepped a German known as Karsten Braasch who was ranked 203rd in the world and after first beating Serena 6-1, he then disposed of Venus 6-2.

"I didn't know it would be that difficult. I played shots that would have been winners on the women's circuit and he got to them very easily," said Serena.

"They wouldn't have had a chance against anyone inside the top 500 because today I played like someone ranked 600th to keep it fun," was Braasch's assessment."

[–]TheJonnieP 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I may be wrong but I read somewhere that he went out drinking until the wee morning hours and only got a couple hours sleep before beating them.

[–]goboks 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wasn't he fucking around smoking during the matches too?

[–]goboks 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd legit be surprised if a woman could crack the top 100 million players. Soccer is pretty popular.

[–]Iamlegend_future 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I saw something about marathons a while back where there was an over 50s men's club in the UK that had qualifying times faster than the female Olympic record. So the peak performing female is her prime was worse than amateur men over 50 years old. I think it would be fair to apply this across just about every sport. If LeBron James played in the wnba he'd score 300+ points and get every rebound. He could play on a team where the other 4 just sat on the floor and they would win every game and championship until he was in his late 60s.

[+]BendoverandIllshowya1 points 5 years ago [recovered] (18 children) | Copy Link

"I'd say" with zero knowledge is the incel war cry lol.

[–]all_tha_sauce 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Incel, gay, faggot, racist, homo, misogynist, etc. All insults designed to do the following:

-Delegitimize -dehumanize -Deflect - provoke - shame

In other words "SIGN" language (Shame, Insults, Guilt, and the Need-to-be-right)

Anytime someone uses these terms it means they have no logical argument and they'd rather attack your character than deal with the issue.

It'd be no different than me asserting that 2+2 = 4 and someone says "yeah but you're a convicted felon." It adds nothing to the conversation and is designed to give off the appearance that the other person is somehow superior even though they lack sufficient brain cells to form a proper rebuttal.

In debate, the first person who resorts to name calling, or ad hominem attacks, loses as it is verbal admission that they are no longer able to defend their position.

[–]Taco_Bacon 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

100% correct and seems to be the way society is now. If I cannot beat you, I will insult you, then try to get you fired.

[–]WharDoesThisButtonDo 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Completely right.

[–]BendoverandIllshowya -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh shut the fuck up you actual pile of pig shit. You're in a sub called "PussyPassDenied" which is de facto exactly what you're wailing about. Are you dehumanizing or deflecting at all in here? Shaming or provoking anyone? What do you think dickless.. maybe? Yea.. maybe so... I'd say you'd made my argument for me but I doubt you'd have any fucking clue what I meant by that.

Loser who can't handle rejection or logic beyond one step says what? I'm calling you a loser because you are one. Just like in a post absolutely bawling about name calling, you asserted I lacked brain cells. DUCY you're absolutely intolerable? Lol wanker.

[–]all_tha_sauce 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh shut the fuck up you actual pile of pig shit.

What do you think dickless.. maybe?

I'm calling you a loser because you are one.

Lol wanker

This is what weakness looks like gentlemen. Take note

[–]BendoverandIllshowya -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Notice he just called me weak, insulting me because he has no actual response. Take note (because what I say is soooooo important!!!!!)

[–]Iamlegend_future 27 points28 points29 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

and calling someone incel is a sign of brain damage. Wtf is wrong with someone using "I'd say" and wtf does that have to do with having or not having sex?

[+]Transpatials -14 points-13 points-12 points 5 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

A surprisingly common combination of misogyny, ignorance, projection, and general stupidity.

Misread the comment above, I was describing the person who made the rude incel comment. Oh well, the way she goes.

[–]Iamlegend_future 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd like you to point out which part of my comments fit each of those categories.

[–]Transpatials -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't realize until now, that my comment made no sense when I typed it.

I misread yours and latched onto the "what is wrong with someone" part and I was describing the person that made the incel comment. My bad.

[–]frickin_icarus 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

are you describing yourself?

[+]Transpatials -6 points-5 points-4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“No u”

Classic.

[–]publicbigguns 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Its framing the sentence as an opinion so people know that what they're saying isn't necessarily fact, but just a personal opinion.

How in the fuck does that make them an incel?

[–]DickFaceBastard 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t argue with retards. They’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

[–]Pingayaso 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok cuck

[–]J27 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Respond to the rebuttal you were given to this below

[–]BendoverandIllshowya -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The sheer rage.. I can't get enough of it lol.

[–]J27 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol yeah you got nothing

[–]deadleg22 24 points25 points26 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Give them 9% then!

[–]Japonica01 23 points24 points25 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If women are that bothered about women football players making the same wages as the blokes they should be supporting the sport. Pay £600 for a season ticket. Go to their games and pay for it on TV. If not dont cry about it.

[–]fahque650 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. In normal times you can shut anyone up about this by checking the ticket prices of the next USMNT/USWNT home games. The same tier of ticket for a USMNT friendly will cost 8-10x the same seat for a woman’s game.

[–]henzhou 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That’s an issue w the WNBA as well, where a majority of its viewers are just male basketball fans

The WNBA should focus more on educating young women about basketball and the WNBA, rather than whine about it on Twitter

[–]Japonica01 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A good/weird example of a sport that women compete in but anyone can watch is boxing and MMA. Its seen as male dominated and So is the fan base but when it comes to two female fighters the fans dont care it's women fighting they just want to see a good bout.

[–]LifeJockey 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, you're getting DANGEROUSLY close to a fact and we all know that is a big NO-NO these days!

[–]CantStopMe888 28 points29 points30 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

womens entitlement and delusion appears to know no bounds

[–]kcutchin 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They should give the dudes an equal pay too

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This wouldn't be an issue if more women watched women's soccer. They have no one to blame but themselves.

[–]DickFaceBastard 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but would would anybody ever watch women’s soccer?

[–]jl05419 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This remembered me of the WNBA. When they wanted the same %, if the NBA didn't do it's donations you should be playing to pay, your entier league is (or was maybe) in negative numbers

[–]MGTOWayoflife 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The WNBA has made loses of 10 mill plus every season. Yet they still complain about not getting equal pay. The thing is with sports there's no equal pay for anyone. LeBron makes more than other male player's.

[–]USureAboutThis 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Straight facts, love that guy.

[–]mrbrianface 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I paid $600 for a ticket at the women’s final, only to hear “equal pay” chant after the match. That disgusted me, but when the women on the team lied and misrepresented their pay scale to the public, I vowed to never give them another dime. Fuck dishonest people.

[–]Sergey32321 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The women are definitely overpaid a shitton

[–]Lucifarai 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I see two options to fix this. Give them 9% and show them that this is equal pay or give them the same amount of money the men make, and when the team is bankrupt a short time later, let them know where to find the unemployment line that the rest of us are in.

[–]Thirty_Four1 points 5 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

This isn't really even a gender issue, it's basic economics. People often compare the salaries of teachers vs professional athletes. While I agree many teachers should earn more than they do, Ms Davis the art teacher isn't generating $90M per year for the district.

We can debate the merits of capitalism, but let's not make this another "women don't get paid enough" issue.

[–]goboks 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most teachers should earn less. Change my mind.

[–]00DaveTV 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Usual retarded bullshit from feminists. If they believed in fairness, they wouldn't be feminists. That's the painful ironic truth

[–]redditme1 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I saw a video on this where the women's team agreed to higher guaranteed income and a smaller amount of the revenue while the men's team chose a lower guaranteed income with a higher percentage of the revenue.

Of course, after the season was over they complained about discrimination - rather than accepting the outcome of the choice they made.

Also, it did not stop the league from publicly doubling down on the idea that they should pay the women more than men even though they generate less money for the organization. Awesome.

[–]goboks 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If female soccer players want to get paid the same as male soccer players, they should try out for the men's team. Nothing stopping them.

Meanwhile, men are literally banned from trying out for the female teams.

[–]Dalyb218 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If they want them to have equal pay, they need to start paying to see them play. I know it isn’t fair but women’s sports do not bring in the kind of money men’s sports do.

[–]PsyLich 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Plot twist: the crowd knows that so they demand that men also get paid 13%

[–]goboks 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They can't pay the men 13% because they need some of that money to subsidize the women.

[–]M_Go_Blue 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

They want equity pay, not equal.

[–]Reelsteelraptor 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Care to explain?

[–]M_Go_Blue 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Equity is the idea that everyone receives the same, regardless of revenue generated. I was on the boat of paying them more until I heard the details that this tweet mentioned.

[–]Reelsteelraptor 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh ok thanks for the explanation man

[–]goboks -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Equity is code for communism where everyone gets the same no matter what they do.

[–]ReasonReader 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm sure there are plenty of mediocre soccer players who would be perfectly willing to cross-dress for the salary these women are bitching about.

[–]goboks -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's already started. Mark my words, trans rights are a trojan horse for the collapse of female sport.

[–]rolo-tomasi1 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s shit die out when their season is over. They have to say relevant in some way

[–]Jinxed08_ 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They need to start generating more revenue for these poor players.

[–]snowmanjc 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Real question. If we relate this to a job at a company. If I work at a company and they do well should you get paid more? I think that is true as positions at bigger more profitable companies usually compensate better. Now by standard you could say that is not equal pay if my company pays less then another, but I have the choice to move to another company if I want to get paid more. Of course that does not mean I can get hired there but I have the ability to.

To relate it to soccer can a women try out for the men's league and vice versa? If that is the case that they can play on a man's team they could earn as much. I don't think it is fair for them to say they should get paid the same when the overall numbers aren't the same.

I can go to my boss and say "company X pays there people this much and I want that". My boss can come back and say "we are not as profitable as company X but feel free to go work there if you want that pay".

[–]gamingforlyfe14 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Didn't some 14 and over league beat the national women's team?

[–]TankVet 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, this is a really interesting sports compensation question. The two teams are compensated completely differently because A) they’ve negotiated for it and B) the structures of international play are different.

The qualifiers are different, the roster movement is different, the benefits are different, the salaries are different. People act like it’s apples to apples and it just isn’t.

It’s a fascinating thing to dive into if you like sports.

[–]GBF- 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women lmao

[–]jonesjedidiah 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's make it happen. Then watch it go bankrupt. Then we don't have to hear about women's soccer.

[–]BendoverandIllshowya 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The first level thought here is so terrifying. Why are you so willfully ignorant? The whole lot of you.

They want to be paid the same amount of money. Not percentages or gambits or bonus or blah blah blah. Fiat. Which they MORE than fucking deserve. Let's explain basic thought together.. as if you were capable of anything except rage at women.

Value comes from many places. Girls becoming interested in soccer will bring millions of new players, reducing childhood obesity. A girl will learn that while she is not a good athlete, she loves the game enough to coach it. A girl will gain confidence in her leadership ability from a young age, producing things like our first female Vice President. A lot of young women will be too busy developing and smashing goals to get the daily dose of patriarchal horseshit, like being paid less in actual fiat, than the males get. And that's probably the greatest victory, which you clowns are so ready to declare "yay equality" while still paying women less. So fuck off, you absolute clowns.

Girls sports are not about revenue or money, they are about value far outside what you are capable of seeing. "He's not wrong" is such basic bitch thought.. it's ugly stupid.

[+]ChrisW828 -9 points-8 points-7 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Is that a typo? Women make 13%, men make 9%. The reason men make more is...

[–]durpswagjr 19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They bring in more revenue? Because people watch them more?

[–]ChrisW828 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. That makes sense. I didn't know how the income is handled.

[–]n0xQuZe 19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

no its not, men are paid 9% of the revenue and women 13% of the revenue. But 9% of 100.000.000 is way more that 13% of 50.000... the numbers are fictional just to understand the concept.

[–]ChrisW828 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, gotcha. Thank you.

[–]ChrisW828 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Downvotes for not understanding and asking a question? Really?

I wasn't commenting about men making more. I was trying to understand how 13% is less than 9%. I didn't know how they calculate revenue. /u/n0xQuZe understood what I was confused about.

[+]iamcrunchytoo -11 points-10 points-9 points 5 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

Yall know that the revenue from the world cup isn't generated because people are tuning in to watch the US men's team play, right? The largest audiences the men's team get are from the countries they are paying against. The men's team are way overpaid for their ability.

[–]RmeMSG 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

The parity between international men's and women's soccer is vastly different.

On the women's side after the top 8 teams the talent level drops off dramatically. USWNT just played Columbia twice scores were 6-0 and 4-0 and most of our star players didn't play. That says a lot.

You rarely see scores like this in the men's game.

On the men's side, Any of the top 20 teams is capable of winning the World Cup. The talent level doesn't drop as drastically.

[–]iamcrunchytoo -5 points-4 points-3 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

You are dreaming if you honestly the US men's team is capable of winning a world cup. Europeans, Central and South Americans, Africans, etc. don't tune in to watch the U.S., but the U.S. men's team reaps financial reward from playing teams from football nations.

I'm not advocating that the women's team should be getting a bigger slice of the women's pie, just that the men's team are certainly getting a bigger slice than they deserve

[–]aycalib3r1 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

The men's team is already getting an extremely small slice. If you look at the money that the German, French, or English players get, its way more than American players. It's just that the Men's World Cup generates so much more revenue than the women's world cup, that relatively small slice is worth a lot. We wouldn't be seeing this issue if women's soccer was anywhere close in popularity to men's soccer.

[–]iamcrunchytoo -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Again, not advocating the women deserve a bigger slice, just pointing out that the men's team get more than they are worth.

If you want to compare them to football nations like England, France or Germany then then you can only compare their earnings in relation to prize money won as that is the only parity there. Football is such a huge business in those other nations that of course the comparatively tiny U.S. market cannot compare in revenue available, and the larger pool of prize money available in the men's game is because of the popularity of the sport in other countries with very little of that revenue being generated here in the U.S.

[–]fahque650 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

just pointing out that the men's team get more than they are worth.

By what metric/standard?!?

The men play international teams of professionals and the women play more than half of their games against teams of entirely amateurs.

[–]iamcrunchytoo 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

By the standard of how much revenue they are bringing into the organization.

As your comment states, the men's team plays a higher standard of opponent that bring greater financial rewards because they have larger followings

[–]fahque650 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

As your comment states, the men's team plays a higher standard of opponent that bring greater financial rewards because they have larger followings

So we agree the men should get paid more. Nice talking with ya!

[–]iamcrunchytoo 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Jesus fucking Christ! You are completelymissing the point! My entire thread is that the male players get more because the organization earns more! They absolutely should not get paid more, because they are shite. The women also should not get paid more because their organization does not earn enough to justify paying them more.

To reiterate, the men's team should not get paid more because they are men. They should probably get less because they are not good0

[–]fahque650 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

By what standard? "Not good" against elite competition is still better than someone who dominates amateurs. The men play against the best professional soccer players the opposing nation has to offer, of any age, sex, creed, anything. They hold their own in these competitions and draw tens of thousands of fans paying high priced tickets.

Now the women, the most dominant women's soccer team on the planet, have little to no competition on a global scale. Women's professional soccer exists in a meaningful capacity in like 3 countries in the world, and there the dominant players are mostly American (btw, women's professional soccer absolutely cannot sustain itself even in the United States where every try at a league has gone bankrupt and folded quickly). They play against teams of amateurs so why wouldn't they win every game by a mostly lopsided margin? Am I suppose to be impressed when they beat a team of Thai girls where their "star player" is a d2 ncaa player?

[–]iamcrunchytoo1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Damn. You got me. Women should not play sports. Looking back I can't understand how I could have been so ignorant to blatantly propose paying female soccer player more. If only I could go back and remove those arguments I 100% totally made to.pay the women's team more.

You are so right when you point out we should be paying the men more because they are losing to better teams than the women. If only I didn't say neither of them deserve more. 😪

[–]RmeMSG 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was talking about the men's game in general. Was using the USWNT scores as an example in the talent differences.

You don't see 6-0 scores in international men's games very often. They're pretty common in the women's games.

Don't disagree USMNT benefits from playing the top teams in the world.

It's the most watched sport in the world to begin with, that only make sense.

[–]Transpatials 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

This has nothing to do with nationality and everything to do with sex. The sport is also irrelevant, and is just used as an example of a much broader “issue” encompassing all professional sports.

Issue in quotes because it’s all bullshit.

[–]iamcrunchytoo 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

How do you figure? You think because you you the same job you should get the same pay? That because an engineer in company A gets paid $1m that every engineer in that same industry should also be paid $1m?

If your employer doesn't make enough money to pay you $1m you shouldn't expect to be paid that just because someone somewhere else does.

Womens sports are often not as well promoted, and that is the issue. Women aren't afforded the opportunity to earn more because there are smaller income streams, focus your attention on broadening the customer base not on demanding equality with non-competing organizations

[–]Transpatials 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Am I the one you meant to reply to?

I'm agreeing with all of that.

Edit > My main point was that I'm not sure why it's being turned into an issue of "US mens teams vs EU mens teams" when it's irrelevant to the topic of male vs female.

[–]iamcrunchytoo -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

The main thread was specifically about the pay gap in US soccer. My point is that men's soccer team only get paid as much as they do because the revenue is mostly generated by other nations. I don't know much about soccer here, but I don't recall ever seeing a women's professional soccer game on TV that was not a national team game. The only other women's soccer I've seen has been collegiate.

The women get a bigger slice of their pie because they perform better than the men, which is deserved. Its just a pity the pie is so much smaller

[–]Transpatials 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Since when do they perform better?

[–]iamcrunchytoo -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Did I miss the men winning the world cup at some point?

[–]fahque650 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you miss the women playing a team of Thai schoolteachers in the last "Womens World Cup"?

[–]Transpatials 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Men in sports compared to women? Yes, you've missed many.

The thread wasn't about the pay gap in US soccer specifically, but all soccer.

[–]iamcrunchytoo -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Wow, well I guess congratulations to the men's US soccer team are in order then! I stand corrected. You sure schooled me there

[–]Transpatials 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Again, this has nothing to do with US soccer specifically, and neither did the main thread. Stop being purposely disingenuous.

[–]iamcrunchytoo0 points 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Look at the image at the very top. Read the text in the image. Are those not soccer players? Does the original post not explicitly mention the disparity between the wages paid to the US women's soccer team in comparison to the US mens team? Are you sure you're in the right thread?

[–]Transpatials1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It was the women's US team that won the WORLD cup, demanding that women soccer players get paid equally to men. The women didn't specifically state US women teams vs US men teams. Just that women should get equal to men in general.

Regardless, have you seen some of the women's teams? Them winning doesn't mean they're better than the men, just that their competition is much worse.

Either way, women chose to make less. r/LeopardsAteMyFace

Edit: Oh, and apparently the US women's team were beaten by 15 year olds a few years back? Yeah, discussion over.

[–]iamcrunchytoo0 points 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yup, there's no fixin' stupid

[–]Transpatials1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

There’s no beatin’ children at soccer.

At least for the US women’s national team.

[+]BendoverandIllshowya -47 points-46 points-45 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Wow you boys took rejection hard lol

[–]Pingayaso 18 points19 points20 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I found the simp⬆️

[–]BendoverandIllshowya -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Simp, Cuck, etc. All insults designed to do the following:

-Delegitimize -dehumanize -Deflect - provoke - shame

In other words "SIGN" language (Shame, Insults, Guilt, and the Need-to-be-right)

Anytime someone uses these terms it means they have no logical argument and they'd rather attack your character than deal with the issue.

It'd be no different than me asserting that 2+2 = 4 and someone says "yeah but you're a convicted felon." It adds nothing to the conversation and is designed to give off the appearance that the other person is somehow superior even though they lack sufficient brain cells to form a proper rebuttal.

In debate, the first person who resorts to name calling, or ad hominem attacks, loses as it is verbal admission that they are no longer able to defend their position.

[–]Pingayaso 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Simp, Cuck, etc. All insults designed to do the following:

-Delegitimize -dehumanize -Deflect - provoke - shame

And I guess you calling everybody an incel is justice, fairness and nice. FU.

[–]fahque650 12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And you take your wife blowing other men quite well...

[–]Yurishirox 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol found the braindead lol

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