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Boy raped at age 14. At 18 he must pay back four years of child support plus interest.

Egalitarianwhistle

March 31, 2020
500 upvotes
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Title Boy raped at age 14. At 18 he must pay back four years of child support plus interest.
Author

Egalitarianwhistle

Upvotes 500
Comments 50
Date March 31, 2020 5:24 PM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/fsh2zx/boy_raped_at_age_14_at_18_he_must_pay_back_four/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/boy-raped-at-age-14-at-18-he-must-pay-back-four.855857
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Comments

[–]Cripplenippleripple 138 points139 points140 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Why is the rapist already out of jail and why do they have custody?

[–]Egalitarianwhistle[S] 125 points126 points127 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Mothers get default custody in most states. He hasn't pressed charges so the state doesn't recognize her as a rapist.

Imagine her entitlement as she sues her rape victim for back child support he owes for the years when he was still a minor.

She's definitely a feminist. This is her way of "smashing" the Patriarchy.

[–]dukunt 46 points47 points48 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I hope that he counter sues. Being raped as a child no doubt will fuck you up big time. He should see some financial compensation for that.

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points51 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He hasn't pressed charges so the state doesn't recognize her as a rapist.

umm he was raped at 14 the police should be filling charges like wtf its pretty obvious she raped him if he has to pay child support starting at 14...holy shit cant belive they let women pedophiles rape children and make them pay child support while also not throwing her in jail for pedophile and rape charges

[–]Egalitarianwhistle[S] 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Point taken.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

He hasn't pressed charges so the state doesn't recognize her as a rapist.

What possible statutory rape laws would require the minor victim to lay the complaint and see it through?

Edit: it's possible that he had no idea he'd been wronged at 14, and so this went unknown to the state. That being said, the minute that woman filed for child support and the ages of all the participants were determined, she should have been charged. There's no statute of limitations on rape in Arizona.

[–]SporkTornado 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Even if she never personally goes after him for child support. If she applies for any government assistance relating to the child. The government will come after him for child support payments on her behalf.

[–]Egalitarianwhistle[S] 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Child support is a juggernaut against men but often more merciful to mothers who owe..

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points59 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What the fuck 1. Why in the absolute fuck does THE PERSON WHO GOT RAPED have to pay child support. Imagine a man raped a 14 yo girl. He would be in jail. But no this boy wasn’t raped, he was forced to have sex. 2. Why isn’t she in jail. Last time I checked RAPE IS ILLEGAL. That excuse for a person should be sentenced for rape and pay for the boy’s child NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!

This whole system of “men can’t get raped and have to pay child support” is fucking bullshit.

[–]Nikita-Rokin 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can answer point 1, at least for germany. The right to child support is with the child, not the mother. And the child didnt do anything wrong so is entitled to said support. Disgusting but true.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What I’m the actual fuck is wrong with people!

[–]Egalitarianwhistle[S] 28 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is standard operating procedure established by US case law.

[–]AkashUK 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A world where the victim has to pay for the crime .

[–]Egalitarianwhistle[S] 26 points27 points28 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Anything I do as an adult, I should be responsible for,” he said. “But as a teenager? I don’t think so.”

This is a great example of the hyperagency that is placed on men and boys. He is willing to take responsibility for his adult decisions but how is it right to charge a rape victim child support?

Yet feminists still claim men have more rights.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I saw this posted on a debate sub a long time ago, but they were saying he should have to pay.

[–]Sininenn 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Outrageous!

[–]DarthCallidous 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

God I fucking hate this planet.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

It’s not child support, it’s mummy support.

If anything it’s slavery for men.

[–]thetruemask 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago* (15 children) | Copy Link

Forced child support is absolutely slavery.

Forcing you to work then converting your work into pay, then taking that pay.

It's slavery but with more steps.

The worst is when it's though coerced parentage like this. If your married yes you have to pay for your children you decided to have.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

A woman might decide she wants to do this through marriage. The same thing occurs with the marriage dissolving and the man Being forced to pay for kids he can not see. Under no circumstances should child support ever be compulsory.

[–]wafflerain5 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I think in a lot of instances child support is the best thing for the child, but obviously not in the one in the OP.

I also think what it is spent on should be monitored.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

At some point we also have to look beyond the child and think about the effects on the father. This woman and children first mentality is a failure. It devalues men.

[–]wafflerain5 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

I can agree to this to an extent. If the man uses contraception and asks if the woman uses contraception.

And they discuss what would happen if it fails and she becomes pregnant. I guess there could be some thing a woman signs beforehand that agrees to a man not paying child support if she becomes pregnant. So then men would just have the responsibility of finding these women who sign the paper to fuck.

But at the end of the day, I think currently the men who make the choice to fuck women, should have the responsibility of paying child support if she falls pregnant. Why not just not fuck women?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Again it’s the woman and children first mentality that you are projecting. Men have little or no rights over the child so why should they pay?

[–]wafflerain5 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm specifically talking about men who don't want rights over the child. I still think they should pay, as they chose to fuck the woman. I think if they were raped by the woman they shouldn't pay. But the woman shouldn't get custody over the child at all.

but I do think that men in general should have more rights over the child, but that's a different issue imo. Courts are very sexist and men often have to put up a huge fight to have custody of the child. I also agree that women should pay as much child support as the father would pay if they abandon their rights.

What do you personally do to lessen the chances of getting a woman pregnant? Why not just stop fucking them?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s women having sex here also but what you suggest is that women are prostitutes and men have to keep on paying after sex if a child comes.

[–]wafflerain5 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Also I am children first mentality. Because, men can choose not to fuck women, but babies can't choose not to be born into financially unstable households.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes a child can’t help if it’s born into a political system which discriminated against children born to impoverished parents. But people are far too stupid to see there is an alternative.

[–]wafflerain5 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sorry, what alternative would you suggest?

[–]Googlepost 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The real fun part is when you take a second job in order to get ahead but then they reassess you as making more money and raise the amount of money you pay in child support

[–]thetruemask 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah that's ridiculous, you can't even try to get more hours or a better paying job or a second job to make up for your losses because they just take more.

It's obviously a scam to line the mother's pockets. Since there is no tracking of what the kid does or does not get. She can just buy the bare minimum of food and clothes and keep extra money.

And it's also stupid that there is no limit.

[–]thereslcjg2000 16 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Refreshing to see the word “rape” actually used for once.

[–]Send-me-hot-nudes 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When the guy is an adult the court may not know if they were actually raped but THEY ARE CHARGING BACKPAY FOR TIME WHILE HE WAS A CHILD!!! If they admit it was his kid then they admit he was raped.

[–]Lordj09 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a locked post on the imatotalpieceofshit subreddit (not linking don't brigade) that got locked before a single person said he could raise his child rather than paying the rapist. Everyone just wants him to pay because his child is innocent. What a disgrace.

[–][deleted] [score hidden] 6 years ago stickied comment (3 children) | Copy Link

You're banned!

[–]isdizusdalot 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why is he banned?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're banned too!

Double banned! Double banned!

[–]isdizusdalot 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Aaaah, I've been had

[–]EverydayEverynight01 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“I lost my mom at a young age. I know what it’s like to only have one parent,” he said. “I can’t leave her out there. She deserves a dad.”

- A rape victim

I think somebody just won father of the year. The kid not only pressed charges for rape against the women. But also agreed to pay it back responsibly. ON A FUCKING 10% INTEREST ON A KID THAT'S ONLY A TEENAGER.

[–]DanteLivra 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The whole "my body, my choice" takes a whole new meaning.

[–]thetruemask 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Disgusting. Same applies here in Canada.

Minors (boys) can be taken for child support. Which alone if you ask me is awful. You telling me you can't legally drink or smoke or vote (because you don't have the metal fortitude but you can be liable for 18+ years of debt, in a difficult society to be successful for a mistake and the choice of a female with which you have no say)

And you can be sure that includes if the boy was raped or coerced by a women she would still be getting child support. Feel sorry for all hetero young men in this regard

[–]notacrackheadofficer 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess call flood his local child support enforcement office and family court and blow a police whistle as loud as possible into the phone. Hopefully 200 people do it. They don't care about words. Fuck whoever answers the phone.

[–]LogicIsGone80 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds about right for this world.

[–]seabeeaj 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you kidding me? What twisted demented warped logic came up with this twilight zone judgement. Can this insanity continue? Keep your eyes open we're all gonna see even unbelievably more weird shit. George Carlin is rolling over in his grave.

[–]Egalitarianwhistle[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hermesmann v Seyer 1993 The state of Kansas doesn't care if the child was produced by rape. They still want their fucking money.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer

[+]Billsplacenta -11 points-10 points-9 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I read the article.. he ignored all legal notifications and seems the was a default ruling. 2014

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This being a ‚default ruling‘ doesn‘t make it better, it makes it worse.

I wonder how many rapists are out there allowed to raise children over a ruling that has literally other foundation than „muh vagina powerz“.

[–]Billsplacenta -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed.. but if he did go to court and explain, could be different outcome. But still sucks

[–]Egalitarianwhistle[S] 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Regardless. This is a victim of pedophilia being charged back child support

It's almost like you are assigning him an unfair amount of agency as a child.

You are right that this is systemic oppression against men who have no say whether a child is born but are merely required to submit to indentured servitude based on another person's unilateral decision. This is even true in the case of pedophilia as per this article.

[–]JamesBCrazy 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He is not a victim of pedophilia. He's a victim of rape. That's a pretty big fucking difference.

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