My son started second grade last week. I get the kids ready for school while my wife sleeps (she's got a graveyard shift).
He's got a twin sister. I told them both it was time to get ready for school and his twin sister pulled a bunch of dresses out of her closet. My son picked one up and said "I want to wear this." I'm thinking, whatever dude, we're running late just put some kind of clothes on and let's get out the door. I'm pretty politically neutral so while I wouldn't say I was particularly happy he wanted to wear a dress, it also wasn't nearly as upsetting to me as the idea that I could be late for work if we didn't get out the door.
I figured ok, I wouldn't ever tell my daughter not to do something because it wasn't ladylike so I shouldn't tell my son not to do something because it isn't manly.
I drop him off and get to work. Three hours later we get a call to come pick up our son because his outfit is distracting to the other kids and he's being bullied. He was very sad when my wife got there and the whole morning had been upsetting for him.
My wife is irate asking how I couldn't have realized that was inappropriate and I was setting our son up to fail. So is just about everyone else I've run this by. My wife thinks damage has been permanently done because he'll be in the same school system as these kids the rest of his life and he'll be known as "the one who wore a dress" and I was being thoughtless or willfully ignorant because I was in a rush and our son suffered for it.
At the time, I truly didn't think it was that big a deal, but that doesn't change that I put my son in harm's way so now I'm not sure whether I made the wrong decision or not or how to feel about it. AITA
[–]MagentaLove 12 points13 points14 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The comments are actually pretty good. The people who think the dad's at fault aren't saying he's wrong because men shouldn't wear dresses but that the dad should have made the executive decision to not let him wear one as the kid couldn't have understood all of the social ramifications of doing so. From the reading it sounds like the kid made a little decision with not a lot of thought so the dad should have waited to have a discussion with him about the situation and what the kid wanted to do once he really understood the decision at hand. The dad in that situation has the job to protect his kid from completely unfair bullying. The kids are assholes for bullying, the teachers/administrators suck for pinning the problem on the kid wearing a dress, and the dad made a mistake of not stepping in for fear of being a bit late.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Obviously if the kid wants to wear the dress he can but to let your kid do so KNOWING the social ramifications that entails when a boy wears a dress, then you’re not really the victim. He’s not an asshole but he does need to consider their external affects of doing something like that
[–]Dim-n-Bright 4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" kind of situation. If he wears a dress, he's making himself a target for the bullies. If he doesn't wear a dress, he's conforming to what the bullies want. I'm not sure what to suggest.
[–]Gay_in_gville 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Let him wear the dress on the weekend when you're there to stomp on any potential bullies.
[–]Vinniikii 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
They talk about misogyny but nothing brings out hatred of men like when small powerless boys start trying to share in the fashions women have claimed for themselves.
[–]bkrugby78 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Imo, the dad made an error in judgment. I'm guessing it's elementary age. At that age, kids don't make the best decisions. If they had their way, they'd eat ice cream for breakfast
Yes, you should teach your kids to stand up to bullies. No, you shouldn't let your son wear a dress, unless he knows how to defend himself.
[–]N19864 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The father was a bit of a fool. At that age, children do not know the ramifications of their actions. He should have been a parent and actually did some parenting.
It was his roll to guide his son to fit in society in a healthy fashion. If given a choice of wearing school clothes, his Pyjama or bunny outfits with fluffy ears, most kids won't make the right choice, and it is up to the parent to set the child straight.
Yeah, he is AITA and made an awful parenting choice. His wife is 100% right to get upset with him and for their son. Get a grip on reality and stop drinking the SJW kool-aid.
[–]HeForeverBleeds 2 points3 points4 points (10 children) | Copy Link
I don't get that argument "you shouldn't allow your son to wear [such-and-such] because he'll be bullied for it. It's for his own good that you don't let him". It's for his own good that you teach him that if someone bullies him for something, he should pander to what the bullies want?
There are people who will bully kids for all kinds of things. If a boy is being bullied for reading all the time or having some other nerdy hobby, should his parents tell him "now don't read / enjoy your hobbies anymore, because if you do the bullies won't be happy"? I think it's more important to
Not say "conform, because you don't want other people to be upset with you"
[–]Huitzil37 4 points5 points6 points (9 children) | Copy Link
Bullies are invincible. You cannot stop them. Everyone loves bullies, and teachers, parents, principals, and legal authorities will always come down in support of the bully. That's how bullying works. Everyone who was ever bullied knows this.
Teaching your children lessons that are true and useful is your job as a parent, even when those lessons force you to admit things you would rather not admit.
[–]HeForeverBleeds 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
And a useful lesson for a child to learn is to not live his life conforming to what other people want. If you think bullies are always going to be invincible, then at some point he's going to have to learn how to stand up for himself against them, or otherwise be a doormat the rest of his life
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points (7 children) | Copy Link
Thank you.
It’s not transphobic to make sure your son wears gender appropriate clothing. Kids don’t fucking understand transgender issues. Let them learn how to multiply without committing social suicide.
If they become a teenager/adult and want to wear the dress then, at least they will understand the social consequences, regardless of whether or not they are fair.
I feel like that old adage “Life isn’t fair” just completely disappeared from the parenting lexicon.
[–]HeForeverBleeds 1 point2 points3 points (6 children) | Copy Link
Wearing conventionally "feminine" clothes doesn't mean being transgender
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (5 children) | Copy Link
I understand this, but the implication is the father didn't want to offend the transsexual community by conforming his son to specified gender roles. If it weren't for transgender propaganda, this father wouldn't have thought twice about making his son change out of a dress.
My father would have made me change if I had tried to go to the SECOND GRADE in a dress. And I'd have thanked him as an adult every single day for it.
[–]Trinkentr 0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
I kinda of resent my dad for not letting pursue certain hobbies when I was younger because they were too girly and going to turn me into a f*g. I don't see any difference between hobbies and clothing here
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Be more specific?
[–]Trinkentr 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
What exactly do you want to know?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
If it isn't clear enough, I'm afraid our conversation isn't going to go anywhere
[–]Trinkentr 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Are you asking what hobbies he wasn't a fan of or something else? I feel like my first comment was specific enough