I just need somewhere to vent. I need counseling and am looking into it, but until then I just need to post this and get it out of my head to people who can maybe understand a little. I want to so badly tell the whole story here, but I know that wouldn't be smart at this stage since the trial hasn't even begun, and he is pleading not guilty. I just wanted to say I feel proud of myself for having the courage to do this. At first I wasn't going to testify and was going to let him go free, but it's been months since the event happened and I have a clearer mind. Bottom line what he did was wrong, and whether the courts find him guilty or not guilty, at least I tried and can finally say for once I'm doing something for myself. I always feel bad for others over myself, and even felt bad for him and that he was going through this for a time, and I felt bad for his family who were begging me not to press charges.
But I've realized now. What he did was wrong, and it made me reflect on the relationship. How I could never really tell him 'no' because he would ask again, then beg, then touch me anyway until I just gave in and learned not to say 'no' since it was pointless. I didn't know at the time that this wasn't right. If he could realize, whether through jail time, counseling, etc, that what he did to me was wrong and his views on sex are completely wrong, then I would be more at peace. If he walks away without punishment right now, and without me at least trying, there's a chance he could do this to another woman. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if he did this to someone else again, and that single thought gives me enough courage to go forward with my decision.
Thanks for reading.
edit: wwooowww I did not expect this to blow up and so fast. I just wanted to say since I probably won't do it individually, thank you all so much for the support and kind words. <333 And to anyone who is dealing with or dealt with something similar, please make sure you talk to someone to get the help you need and deserve, whether that is a counselor or just a friend. You don't deserve to deal with something so traumatic and then just bottle it up inside. If you want to be anonymous feel free to DM me!! I will listen.
Thanks for the gold!! <33
edit2: I want to edit this again because people are confusing my "I could never tell him no" part of the story with the actual rape. I did not detail or describe the actual rape event in this post. Him being a pushy bf who could not take no for an answer is not what I'm taking him to court for. The actual rape was much worse and we were broken up for a few weeks, and that's all I will say.
[+]brettpkelly1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Title of this post does not match the other thread. In her second edit she explains the described pushiness was not the rape event she referenced
[–]antilopes 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
She had already explained that in the original post. The 2nd edit was just pointing it out for people who misread the original, she didn't give any new info.
[–]jacksleepshere 22 points23 points24 points (10 children) | Copy Link
So she consented, yet everyone on that thread is supportive of her for trying to send him to jail. There are even a couple of comments surprised that his family are on his side.
If that is rape I would be able to multiple people to jail for sexual harassment, but I know that they wouldn't deserve it and that wouldn't come close to being justice. People asking more than once doesn't mean it isn't consent ffs.
The hysterical drama some people come up with is extraordinary. Shit like this is insulting to people who are forcibly raped.
[–]antilopes 1 point2 points3 points (6 children) | Copy Link
[–]jacksleepshere -1 points0 points1 point (5 children) | Copy Link
I'm not saying that that is or isn't what happened, but even before she gave details people were saying he was a monster and she was being brave, without having a clue whether it was the truth or how serious it was. If "I couldn't tell him no" was all there was to go off then that shouldn't have been much of an indication that there was any wrongdoing.
[–]antilopes 2 points3 points4 points (4 children) | Copy Link
"I couldn't tell him no" points strongly toward wrongdoing.
If no isn't possible then yes is meaningless.
"I couldn't tell him no" is normal in an abusive relationship where the victim has been taught there wil be no peace until the abuser has got their own way.
She indicated there is a single event being prosecuted not the history of coercive sex, and how serious it is, and that she can't give details.
TwoX is not a court, there is no reason to try to pick stories apart and assess their truth because there is no defendant at stake. People react to stories on the assumption they are true.
Unlike other subs, people in TwoX understand how harmful it is to cross-examine victims. The convention from support subs may apply - if you think OP is fake and that this is harmful then message the mods, don't play detective in the thread.
People in TwoX know how much bravery is involved in going public, standing up to opponents and going to court. There are many saying they lacked the courage themselves at the time. Consider this comment from the thread, which is a common story if you are familiar with rape:
I am so proud of you. The first time I was assaulted, in 9th grade, I told friends who were loose lipped and became a pariah at my school. I was victim shamed so hard and ostracized. A friend of my assailant's girlfriend even followed me across an 8 lane boulevard with 20 or so students trying to get me to fight her.
The second time it happened, in 11th grade, I didn't tell anyone for years and never have told the friend whose brother it was. I regret those choices and wish I had been able to get out from under the shame, stigma, and guilt I put on myself. I just retreated from my life. Get that counseling, share your story, and be proud of yourself! We are all sisters of the secret and it shouldn't be a damn secret. Thank you for finding your voice and your courage in spite of overwhelming opposition.
All of the below is by OP, she makes it obvious this in more than pestering:
I want to so badly tell the whole story here, but I know that wouldn't be smart at this stage since the trial hasn't even begun ... it's been months since the event happened and I have a clearer mind.
What he did was wrong, and it made me reflect on the relationship.
How I could never really tell him 'no' because he would ask again, then beg, then touch me anyway until I just gave in and learned not to say 'no' since it was pointless. I didn't know at the time that this wasn't right. If he could realize, whether through jail time, counseling, etc, that what he did to me was wrong and his views on sex are completely wrong, then I would be more at peace.
If he walks away without punishment ... there's a chance he could do this to another woman. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if he did this to someone else again, and that single thought gives me enough courage to go forward with my decision.
[–]jacksleepshere -1 points0 points1 point (3 children) | Copy Link
It's not a case of me not believing that she was raped, it's that based on what she said I don't think there are enough details say whether this guy committed rape or not. The biggest issue I have is with how everyone jumped to conclusions and just assumed that she was raped despite not knowing either way.
[–]antilopes 3 points4 points5 points (2 children) | Copy Link
It is in her title. She is testifying in her rape trial, that means what happened was decided to be legally rape by the police prosecutor. You can't get any clearer than that.
Describing the rape in the thread would not have made it any clearer unless you think Redditors are more competent to judge than the prosecutor, despite working with a small fraction of the information and no training or even knowledge of what jurisdiction's laws apply.
It was clear from the post that the bit about the pushy boyfriend who would not take no for an answer was a reflection on her relationship and was not describing her rape. Her 2nd edit was just correcting people who had misread it, like our OP /u/ExitBuddy1 who then wrote a wrong title and confused everybody.
[–]Exitbuddy 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
In a variant of Skitt's law, you referenced the wrong user ;)
[–]antilopes 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Sorry, I didn't notice he had a 1 on the end.
[–]PM_ME_UR_PC_SPECS -4 points-3 points-2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You do know that she did not describe the rape? That,was merely other violations of consent by the perp
[+]BritsRweak -14 points-13 points-12 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Pathetic typical brit beta male, look what your national team looks like Rose, young, Dele, Rashford, Welbeck, Lingard, Sterling, Loftus-Cheek, Walker. Britton will desappear because they're weak. They can't even get laid in their own country.
[–]AverageBlockhead 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Username checks out.
[+]Lumberjackie_Chan1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
So... Did you just not bother to read anything about what she's claiming happened, or are you farming for recontextualized quotes for some hit-piece article?
[–]Exitbuddy1[S] -2 points-1 points0 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Ehhh it kinda seems like she is the one looking for a hit-piece article. There is a lot of I can't/don't want to talk about it. Funny how after countless questions she says that. Why would you even post something that is so vague and full of holes? These are the type of things that make me call bullshit on them.
[–]antilopes 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
A hit-piece has an identified target to hit. This is anonymous with no hints toward identifying a person.
"Holes" and evidence are relevant to sceptical people but all three are irrelevant to her. This is not court.
Her motivation is in the first lines:
I just need somewhere to vent. I need counseling and am looking into it, but until then I just need to post this and get it out of my head to people who can maybe understand a little. I want to so badly tell the whole story here, but I know that wouldn't be smart ...
She was right. She did find people who understand a little and a lot, having been through it themselves. It is all new to her, and she is getting the advice and support she sought. And encouragement from all the people who kept quiet and wish they had not, or wish they had more strength.
[–]perplexedm 10 points11 points12 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You should be ashamed of yourself being gullible in real world and you are an abject coward to project your own failure on someone else.
[–]TheMythof_Feminism 3 points4 points5 points (11 children) | Copy Link
Not sure if legit, but it is true that women issue false rape accusations more often today than ever before.
I am thankful to live in Mexico, where such a thing would backfire terribly on the person doing the false accusation. It makes me physically ill to think that the false rape accuser in that thread is going to be rewarded for that atrocity.... again, I'm glad I live in Mexico.
[–]bufedad 2 points3 points4 points (10 children) | Copy Link
I don't know if this is true. Do you know how many lynchings revolved around false rape allegations?
[–]TheMythof_Feminism -1 points0 points1 point (9 children) | Copy Link
We do not live 100 years ago, we live today.
The witch hunt is an atrocity that should not be permitted. The consequences for the mob should be harsh.
[–]bufedad 1 point2 points3 points (8 children) | Copy Link
You made a claim about past versus present. Statements about the past are relevant to that discussion.
[–]TheMythof_Feminism -1 points0 points1 point (7 children) | Copy Link
"claim about past versus present"? what are you event talking about? I was talking about rough statistics.
No, they aren't.
You deflected for some reason.
[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points (6 children) | Copy Link
Good show me the statistics of how many rape accusations were false before and how many rape accusations are false now.
[–]TheMythof_Feminism -3 points-2 points-1 points (5 children) | Copy Link
All I need to do is point at the active witch hunt taking place right now to prove my point.
What exactly do you think you are arguing? you do know that false rape accusations in terms of statistics tend to be very difficult to acquire, correct? Eugene Kanin laid this all out many years ago.
However, again the existence of an active witch hunt proves my point.
[–]bufedad -1 points0 points1 point (4 children) | Copy Link
Your point that women are making more false rape accusations than ever before?
No. That just proves how many are currently being made, not how many have been made in the past.
[–]TheMythof_Feminism -2 points-1 points0 points (3 children) | Copy Link
You don't appear to be understanding the argument.
There is an active witch hunt right now. We know this to be true. There has never been a time where a global telecommunications network was used to so easily smear and damage the lives of men via false rape accusations.
The streamlined process has led to more... do you understand?
[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
This is veritably true.
This part is conjecture, with no evidence to support it.
You could say it's led to a greater impact, but without actual evidence of how many were once made versus how many are now made, you can't make this argument.
[–]antilopes 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This needs a No Participation link, it is against our rules to link like this because it can lead to brigading of the target and auto-banning of our members. (Swap np.reddit... for www.reddit...)
There are a dozen or so deleted comment chains in the TwoX thread an hour after this post went up, the mods there will know if they came from here.
And people moan about our members being auto-banned!
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points (13 children) | Copy Link
She said she would say no, then he’d beg and pester her until she relented. He even touched her after she said to stop.
That’s sexual harassment at least.
[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
But that wasn't what he is being prosecuted for. She wrote this too, it happened two weeks after they broke up:
I told him 'no' countless times through a messaging app before he broke into my house and assaulted me. He told me "You're never going to talk to me again anyway, so I may as well do this". I kicked him and shoved him away repeatedly while telling him "No, I don't want to do this" but he wouldn't stop and I was scared he would get violent, so I stopped fighting and just started crying. Only once he saw me sobbing did he stop.
(She called the police then)
[–]bufedad -1 points0 points1 point (11 children) | Copy Link
In a relationship, that's called seduction.
Hell, if that's sexual harassment, everyone woman I've ever been involved with is guilty.
[+]puppehplicity1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Nah, man, there's a difference between seduction and harassment.
Seduction would be trying to set the mood and get your partner (who is not opposed to sex, just not horny either) fired up.
Harassment is more like nagging. Ever known someone who asks if you want to do something, but they're not asking a question or making a request, they are giving a command? And then they just fucking nag and nag and nag until you get so sick of it you give in to get them off your back?
[–]bufedad -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed.
So, if you partner is opposed to sex, you are not allowed to seduce them?
See, you leave a lot of room between the two that you don't classify as either harassment or seduction.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (7 children) | Copy Link
Then yes, every woman you’ve been with is guilty.
Harassing someone after they’ve said no and touching them without permission after they’ve made it known they don’t want it is not seduction.
[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points (6 children) | Copy Link
Then please, tell us, what is seduction?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (5 children) | Copy Link
Making them want you to touch them is seduction.
Touching them when they said piss off is assault.
[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
So, it is your opinion that you are not allowed to touch your SO in any way when they say No.
[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
She described begging and pestering, and that being a typical behavior until she gave in and he got his own way. That is the context in which she is saying "and he continued to touch me". She is not describing a failed attempt at seduction, she is describing a pattern of failure to respect her boundaries.
There is nothing wrong with touching, pestering or begging in themselves if they are usually well received or it is trying something new, but that is clearly not what she is describing.
[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
She sure did. She also didn't describe if this was a daily occurence, or a once a year issue.
[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
That was in the context of later being raped by him. "I could never" could, if one was a defence lawyer, be claimed to mean once a year. But we are not defence lawyers. She wasn't describing some incidents, she described a relevant pattern of behavior.
[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
She was describing a behavior pattern, but not its frequency.