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At this Scottish bar, groups of drunken women would grope the male staff so regularly that they had to change their dress code. Yet a party where women are hired specifically to be "hostesses" is the end of the world.

Mynameischad01

January 27, 2018
462 upvotes
/r/MensRights
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Title At this Scottish bar, groups of drunken women would grope the male staff so regularly that they had to change their dress code. Yet a party where women are hired specifically to be "hostesses" is the end of the world.
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Mynameischad01

Upvotes 462
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Date January 27, 2018 6:52 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7tb72p/at_this_scottish_bar_groups_of_drunken_women/
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[–]nforne 101 points102 points103 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Staff at Hootananny, in Inverness, said female revellers would not stop touching them, trying lift up their traditional dress - some even claimed to have had their penises and bums grabbed.

They complained women joked and asked if they were wearing anything under it and then, when drunk, would try and look for themselves.

Hootananny owner Kit Fraser said the groping was “pure sexism”.

He said: “Can you imagine if I went into a restaurant and stuck my hand up a girl’s skirt?"

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 53 points54 points55 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He said: “Can you imagine if I went into a restaurant and stuck my hand up a girl’s skirt?"

It's not hard. You'd be barred from that place for life. Probably be physically beaten. Then go to jail and be on a registry.

[–]Mencite 54 points55 points56 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Yea but it isn't sexism its sexual assault.

[–]Wiegraf_Belias 36 points37 points38 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

True, the act is sexual assault. Societies general indifference towards situations like this is the instance of sexism.

[–]altmehere 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. I think what the owner probably meant is that it's sexism by virtue of the fact that it probably wouldn't happen, at least as much, if the genders were reversed.

[–]armed_renegade 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The act is sexual assault. The fact you couldn't do this to a woman, or you'd be (rightfully) condemned and thrown out the door, not before being beaten to a pulp; is sexism.

[–]Mencite 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What you've described just there isn't sexism, the word sexism trivialises it. Sexism might be opening doors for women.

[–]armed_renegade 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is. Different/worse treatment based on the sex of a person. Literal definition of sexist.

I said the action was assault..

[–]Mencite 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Brainless would you call groping a woman sexism.

Sexism is saying sweetie.

[–]PrimarySupport 67 points68 points69 points 8 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link

I was not completely unattractive when I was a young, athletic man. I'm now 40 so it's no longer an issue. But let me tell you, women are about a thousand times more handsy than men. If there is a "sexually entitled" sex it is certainly not the male of the species.

I'll be frank: it didn't bother me all that much. Not even when a teacher smacked me on the ass. But if I were gay or of a more sensitive disposition it probably would have, and if we're going to crucify men for putting a hand on a woman's knee, women should also be crucified for putting a hand on a man's cock.

I think men just suffer so much worse on average (give me a crotch grab over a fucking fist fight any day) we just sort of brush it off.

[–]Aeponix 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Can you imagine living a life where a grope leaves you traumatized? How would you even function.

I'd take an unwanted grope over loads of crap I deal with regularly.

[–]the_unseen_one 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If groping actually traumatized you, I would have been comitted by age 14.

[–]ThirdTurnip 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was groped by my mother repeatedly and had to move out of home to escape that and possibly worse. And she'd years earlier, when I was a young teen, hit on me. I made myself unattractive to put her off.

I wouldn't say it traumatized me but I definitely don't appreciate being touched or groped by strangers.

I threatened to break the hand of one creepy old sleaze friend of a mad housemate who grabbed by butt in my own kitchen. A touchy (but not in a sexual way) female friend noticed I didn't appreciate her touching my arm / leg etc. and respectfully stopped doing it.

Point is, if the job is to be a low grade prostitute, then the job should be advertised and paid as such. Otherwise people should keep their hands to themselves.

[+]The__Tren__Train -8 points-7 points-6 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

while a woman groping a man is just as wrong as a man groping a woman...

imagine someone who is bigger than you and generally MUCH stronger than you, groping you..

that would be pretty unsettling... that's not something we as men typically face.

[–]PrimarySupport 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah? Tell that to Bubba!? :( Are you aware that more men are raped in the US than women? Sounds crazy, but true.

No I do appreciate that sentiment. I never actually felt threatened by the women and girls who groped me, though in the case of that 10th grade teacher, yeah a little. (she taught sewing, and yeah, we had to take sewing, this was in BC, Canada, and it's actually good skill to learn, so fuck you;).

You know what bothered me? The three times I got into a fight and lost, and got my ass kicked. THAT fucking bothered me. And not just because of the bruises/broken bone.

Do women grope more than men? Yes, yes they do. If you're moderately good looking, hunting season is on.

[–]TheNextMilo 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I see your point. But the fact is the punishments for these crimes are so inconsistent.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I totally am less anxious when a wolf attacks me instead of a grizzly bear...

[–]The__Tren__Train 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

strawman

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

One is smaller and "less intimidating" than the other.

How is it a strawman?

[–]The__Tren__Train 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

they can both easily kill you.

a grizzly bear and a pug would be a better analogy.

it's weird how you're arguing the point with me.. because i know that you know that im right..

im a big strong boy.. if some drunk girl comes up and starts getting handsy with me, and i dont like it, i tell her to 'get lost'..

if a guy my size gets drunk and gets handsy with a girl...you see where im going

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Both men and women can easily kill you too.

You're naive or intellectually dishonest if you think the difference in threat between men and women is that of a grizzly bear and pug.

I suspect you're just being obtuse and think that no one uses weapons or surprise ever.

[–]The__Tren__Train 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

right, well we were originally talking about being drunkenly groped, not armed combat... so my point stands.

i could easily get a handsy aggressive drunk girl away from me... a girl could not as easily get a handsy aggressive drunk guy away from her

so, while the groping is equally wrong.. it's not the same.

[–]ThirdTurnip 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Being gay does make it worse.

The woman who explicitly threatened me for refusing to date her - i.e. she undeniably sexually harassed me - falsely accused me of harassing her to cover herself. Which worked a treat.

The second version of events she gave, which were wildly different from the first, included descriptions of me allegedly groping her.

Even just reading that description physically sickened me. Not exaggerating. I nearly vomited.

[–]rationalthought314 47 points48 points49 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

men groping waitresses is a capital offense, women groping waiters is sexual liberation apparently

[–]Santaball 25 points26 points27 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is turning into a giant shit test lol

[–]Mencite 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I know plenty of these types of women they'd look at you confused if you called them a feminist. Can you get your shit together.

[–]TheNextMilo 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think what he means is:

Feminists have brought it to a point where men are very legally behind. Because of this and the things that are caused by this (groping of men, without punishment) men are being “tested.”

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just need a few lawsuits. The first few would probably be mocked and women would try to shame guys, but if it becomes lawsuit after lawsuit in quick succession, then maybe women will stop their double standard ways

[–]notacrackheadofficer 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Date Line January 2018. We hired a group of 15 year old boys, who looked 18 or so, to wear kilts, and pretend to be the kilt wearing wait staff of a restaurant. We set up our cameras on ladies night to watch the action.
138 women ended up being asked to ''take a seat over here'' by the end of the first 20 minutes..

Edit: Does anyone know an MRA nightclub/restaurant owner who would be down to do this? I bet lots of women would be brazen enough to do inappropriate things right on camera, if they were smart enough to see them all over the ceiling. I would love to see this experiment carried through, no necessity for using underaged boys. One ladies night with a kilt theme would produce hours of ''shocking'' video, guaranteed. A state capitol would be key, as there would probably be public officials in attendance.

[–]Tymalic 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"It's different when women do it."

[–]Jex117 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Men have institutional power so they can't be victims of crime"

[–]KOMRADE_DIMITRI 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, I'd watch it, that and the following media strom post release

[–]Jex117 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

tHiS iS WhAt WoMeN dEaL wItH lItErAlLy AlL tHe TiMe !!11!1 /s

[–]Connor_mcb 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Both are bad

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ever see a hen party at a gay bar? Women can be fucking monsters.

[–]geniice -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The difference being that the bar viewed it as a bad thing and took action to stop it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A public bar (as opposed to private club) where men regularly put their hands up barmaids skirts couldn't even exist. The first couple of times it happened the men in question would be kicked out and probably beaten up. This happened so regularly to men in the Scottish bar that there was a news story about it.

[+]Jules_Elysard1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Well men dont socially lose status or sexual marked value when grobed or worse. Women do. This is psychologically understood by both men and women and social reinforced. So men can brush it of and women can't because women literally is losing value (perceived by themself and the rest of the social world). Source: im a social scientist that did his master thesis on heterosexual relations.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Unwanted sexual advances arent pleasant for either sex, and personally i would be quite unnerved if women started sexually harassing me while i worked.

[–]TheNextMilo 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t give a fuck. If I wanna sue, I should have a fair trial.

[–]tmone 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can I see some citations for those bold claims? Women lose value huh. How can you sit there and suggest that society treats a groped woman as damaged goods and a groped man as king shit? Where is this peer reviewed work of yours becasue im pretty sure i know a bunch of guys who feel pretty worthless after they were felt up and taken advantage of. Myself included.

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