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British universities reach out to the new minority: poor white males

William__F0ster

September 30, 2017
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Title British universities reach out to the new minority: poor white males
Author

William__F0ster

Upvotes 296
Comments 50
Date September 30, 2017 9:08 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/73him1/british_universities_reach_out_to_the_new/
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https://theredarchive.com/post/913616
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Comments

[–]William__F0ster[S] 96 points97 points98 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

One-third more girls than boys in Britain go to college, government statistics show. Campuses here, overall, are 56 percent female. At 20 universities — and in once-male-dominated majors including medicine, dentistry, veterinary medicine, biology, and pre-law — women now outnumber men by two to one.

... In low-income neighborhoods, as few as one in 10 boys goes on to higher education, compared to half of girls.

Edit

Some asshole driveby downvoted this OP literally within seconds of it being posted - now that's what I call getting triggered.

[–]Lethn 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol don't worry, I keep an eye out for this kind of thing and upvote people to balance it out so they can't get censored :P sometimes I do it for the lulz.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points41 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

So the very people who created a toxic environment for men to be in are now reaching out in order to kiss and make-up.

I hope those poor white males refuse it. University and College brought this on themselves.

[–]desderon 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is about money.

If they create new problems they can rack in more money.

[–]CTeam19 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If they create new problems they can rack in more money.

Is it bad that I don't like to donate money to nonprofits organizations that have a focus on something that could end because I don't feel they really want to end the problem. Like what would happen to the cancer nonprofits like Susan G if cancer was cured?

[–]Lucius_Martius 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It depends on ideology and specificy of the non-profit.

If the agenda is a clear and well defined goal the organization will most certainly just cease to exist once the goal is accomplished.

If the goal is fuzzy and the reasoning behind it is full of beliefs and ideology, it will just continue to shift its meaning and interpretation of its goals indefinitely. Or at least try.

"Cure cancer" seems be the first category.

Another metric that I use for donating money is transparency. I like to know what happened with my money afterwards. Organizations that provide a detailed report of what they did with the money have a hugely increased chance of a donation.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

University is a business. After isolating young men for decades they're realizing that telling half the population to piss off is bad for it.

[–]Lethn 32 points33 points34 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Peer pressure also plays a huge role. At about the time they turn 11, “it becomes uncool to try hard,” said Beer, in Liverpool. “It becomes uncool to be academic.”

After reading reading this, oh they can fuck off, it's nothing to do with that and they know it. It's funny how feminists deliberately try to trivialise extremely serious problems that men face like this just like with all this 'toxic masculinity' garbage and going on about 'gender stereotypes' as if being uncool and laughed at for crying are the only things that men have to worry about, these out of touch bourgeois sexist cunts really annoy me.

[–]nforne 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

I went to a UK comprehensive and the statement you quoted is pretty accurate in my experience.

Toxic masculinity is bullshit if course. I think it's more to do with British culture of not celebrating success combined with the way we stream kids into ability-based forms at age 11. Once in their forms, boys try to conform and not stand out.

[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I think you're onto something about British culture actually and that's partly to do with anti-capitalism in this country. The British public tend to utterly despise successful people compared to America, so why the fuck would you aspire to be anything?

You're assigning way too much important to an issue like this when there are so many more factors to consider and that's just me wanting to talk about teaching methods for example or the biases men face from an early age which even the media are being forced to admit exist.

[–]n0solace 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

As a Brit, I think the word depsise is too strong. There's definitely not success worship like the states but people that do well for themselves aren't generally despised if they don't rub others noses in it

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Try living in Yorkshire then you'll understand :P but then again I live in a remarkably left wing area even for the UK. There are people I know personally who think caps on income and UBI are actually good ideas and yes, by caps on income I mean they think the government should take away someone's earnings beyond a certain point which is something Jeremy Corbyn proposed awhile back.

[–]n0solace 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Fuck. Maybe you're right. I was speaking as someone that's lived in Surrey for most of my life so definitely different demographics. Man that's so fucking stupid.

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well this is why I totally encourage any guys who are in despair about their situation to get out more if they can, even just a weekend holiday somewhere that totally isn't where they live so they can experience something else and realise the world isn't one big left wing bubble.

I'm still culture shocked by how fucking white the rest of the country is, going on a trip down south just for a day so I'm getting used to it now but lol.

[–]n0solace -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I travel the country regularly. Was in Bradford recently. Can't say I liked it much! But the left wind consensus isn't universal, even though the BBC would like to think it is.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah I suspected you were a flippin' Northerner! Im a soft southern shite.

[–]timeslider 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I find that quote pretty accurate coming from the US. If you were smart, people would tease you and call you a nerd. It didn't get better until college.

[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

The point everyone is missing is that feminists are trying to make it out that this is the reason for everything wrong with men they would much rather address a total non-issue like this than admit it's their policies which have led up to this moment.

A classic one is something like Antifa and the alt-right, getting feminists and anti-capitalists who openly support Antifa to admit that by them encouraging these people to be violent in the first place and that harassing or doxxing anybody they disagree with is okay has led to the alt-right coming along in the first place.

This shit didn't just magically pop into existence because men are insecure which was what feminists are trying to say, you know what I'm getting at? Even when they are trying to 'help' they're treating men like shit because they think something like emotions are the only thing standing in the way of them becoming successful, feminists aren't fit for purpose. I'm so fucking close now, so fucking close to finding out the people who were responsible for wrecking my education along with the hundreds of thousands of others in my generation which is why I can't stand it when they deliberately divert to these types of issues as a distraction.

Don't fall into this trap of thinking that just because you read something you initially agree with that it's all good and you can assume everything will be alright.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. Feminism is the vause of much of this.

[–]ZimbaZumba 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Note the framing mechanism here, ie identifying problems in subcategories of males; despite the fact the figures for males as whole are in a significant deficit. This is to minimise the problems of education for men in general.

If this was the other way around it would be a problem for the category 'female', period. An example being domestic violence, which is overwhelmingly associated with:- lower socioeconomic status, alcohol, drug use, being unmarried, young and general social dis-functionality. Yet it is presented a problem equally affecting females, by quoting aggregate statistics.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

End the "Straight White Men are Sexist, Racist, Homophobic Assholes who are responsible for every social ill in the universe since the beginning of time" 'progressive' narrative.

That's how to bring white males back into the society from the marginalized position they are in now.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Compared to what we do see, which os feminists trying to rewrite history to claim no man ever did anything except oppress women. They tear down all male role models of all kinds with the simplest unfounded claim or allegation.

[–]QueenCuntie 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

So who's in charge of deciding who gets into colleges there? Are they mostly feminist women?

[–]geniice 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So who's in charge of deciding who gets into colleges there?

15/16 year olds. If you apply to college you will generaly get into to do something (A-levels, BTEC City and Guilds etc).

If you are asking about university then witha few exceptions computers (Take A-level results and adjust slightly for quality of school).

[–]QueenCuntie 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So, lets go with the computers. They were programmed to sort and accept applicants based on xyz factors, yes? Who is in charge of that? Feminist women?

[–]geniice -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Finance mostly. You know how many students you can have so you try and adjust the A-level points requirement to get the right number. Throw in some slight adjustment for desirable A-levels (maths, anything subject relivant) and school/college quality and job done.

[–]QueenCuntie 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My question remains standing.

[–]William__F0ster[S] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

So who's in charge of deciding who gets into colleges there?

There are admissions officers, but they usually judge an applicant according to the high school qualifications (plus any other relevant experience such as work experience) and the course they are applying to.

Are they mostly feminist women?

No - what kind of a dumbass question is that?

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually a lpt of those involved in having a say ARE feminists. I know one at a top uk uni whose job is to look over admissions amd she is a foul feminist who says everything is sexist.

[–]EricAllonde 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

University administrations are majority women and overwhelmingly dominated by people with left wing/progressive viewpoints. A very large percentage of them are indeed feminists.

[–]QueenCuntie -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Well, you'd think that feminist women were mostly in charge of these decisions being made, the way they are blamed for them.

[–]Rethgil 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Typical passive aggressive femsplaining post.

[–]William__F0ster[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Errr ... what are you talking about?

[–]QueenCuntie 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The conversations in this thread make it clear that most people here have concluded that feminism/women are to blame to the current situation white boys are currently in. If that's the case, I'd just like to see the evidence.

[–]William__F0ster[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Well, why don't you ask one of the people who actually have said that rather than bothering me who hasn't?

[–]QueenCuntie 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm not bothering you about anything. You decided to take my general response to the thread and make it a personal thing.

[–]William__F0ster[S] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Kind of are as I'm OP, but whatever.

[–]QueenCuntie 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean, really.

[–]William__F0ster[S] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Whatever.

[–]BlindGardener 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fukkin A.

[–]nocivo 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This girls think more woman as bosses will make companies better. In a few decades they will wish other wise. If you never experience a company with full woman bosses you never visit hell.

I bet you man will start to run away from it and create their own companies and many woman will hate their life for be there.

[–]William__F0ster[S] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you never experience a company with full woman bosses you never visit hell.

I've had almost exclusively women bosses over the last 20 odd years of my professional life and - with one or two highly notable exceptions - I've been lucky enough to have outstanding bosses who happen to have been women.

I am all for advancement based on merit regardless of any 'demographic' differences.

What I am not for is appointing someone to post X, Y, Z on the grounds that they belong to such and such a 'demographic'.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Satan is definitely a woman.

Who else could run Hell ?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

“Hopefully in the next five to 10 years we’ll start seeing a more equal split at the top of businesses, in Parliament,” said Gale. “I think it’s a good thing.

Well of course they only want the well paid jobs.

It’s true that the shortage of men in college could speed women to their rightful place ruling the world, joked Beer, who is the first woman head of the University of Liverpool and one of only four in the elite 24-member Russell Group — the British equivalent of the Ivy League. “It’s taking too long, though,” she quipped.

And they wonder why boys aren't signing up...

[–]William__F0ster[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I noticed that.

The bizarre argument justifying the noticeable difference in gender representation as a way to pave a future of equality outside of academia and in the business world.

It's bizarre because if true, why the obsession with STEM? Which note should actually just be STE in this case as the 'M' part - dentistry, biology, medicine, pharmaceuticals, veterinary science - sees women outnumber men by quite some margin.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't you find it conveniently odd that for girls it's all about promoting STEM but for poor white boys they choose to focus on Sport?

I particularly noticed these two comments:

because they no longer believe the age-old adage that everyone who works hard and follows the rules can rise up the financial scale.

and this, I've highlighted the key part:

“That’s how America got to where America is, when you talk about all the educational advances over the 20th century that propelled us to having a more advanced economy,” said Phillip Levine, an economist at Wellesley College and coauthor of the study. “But it has to be the case that people making these decisions feel like it’s worth it.”

It feels good to know the male youth are looking rationally at college/university and are walking away. Let the system crash.

[–]EricAllonde 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree with what you're saying, but the M in STEM refers to "mathematics", not "medicine" as you seem to have assumed.

I guess they put the various branches of medicine under the S for "science".

[–]William__F0ster[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ooops! Good point!

[–]QueenCuntie 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I've never understood why it's seen as a bad thing to want the jobs that are better compensated/safer. Does literally everyone want to make as much money as they can...?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I've never understood why it's seen as a bad thing to want the jobs that are better compensated/safer.

Because the argument is for 'equality' - except not for the dirty, dangerous jobs. They're not complaining about the lack of diversity in refuse collecting or fishing or logging. Nope. It's all about 'equality' in business and government they want.

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