Attitudes towards women vs men in STEM

Samantha_Cruz · 2017-07-22T19:12:39+00:00

I'm a female engineer and I don't feel that there have ever been any gender based barriers to becoming an engineer or getting hired; if anything I feel that affirmative action & gender quota's hurt more than it helps. - Specifically because no matter how succesful I am; no matter how good I ever get at my job; There will always be people that think that I only got the job due to preferential treatment due to my gender. Even I have questioned whether I got promoted ahead of other (possibly more qualified) co-workers due to an unstated 'diversity goal' that management won't acknowledge; I know I am good at my job but that doesn't mean that there aren't doubts in my head as well as those of some of the people that I currently supervise whether I was the most qualified option.

When I was in College there were very few females in my engineering classes but I have always felt that this was due to women making choices based on what they were interested in pursuing; I never had any barriers 'because of my gender' and I suspect that I got a lot more help from the other engineering students simply because i was one of the rare females in the program; for instance I never had a shortage of study partners; when I needed help understanding certain topics I never had a problem getting tutoring sessions from students that were ahead of me;

I am certainly in favor of schools doing what they can to help females succeed in whatever they choose to pursue; what bothers me is that a lot of these changes in education over the past ~30 years have made schools downright hostile to male students and you can see clear evidence that men are not pursuing higher education at the same rate that they used to; Seeing the struggles of two boys going through school is the primary reason I started paying more attention to mens rights; I don't call myself a feminist any longer specifically because feminism claims to be for 'equality' however they never seem to do anything to address the issues facing men. My involvement in /r/mensrights has resulted in being auto banned from participation in both /r/2XChromosones and /r/Feminism when I've never once posted anything objectionable in either forum. The attitude seems to be that if you care about the issues facing men that you can't even speak in their glass echo chamber.

EricAllonde · 2017-07-22T16:34:52+00:00

why would feminists think influencing girls to favor STEM over other fields is an improvement to society?

Modern feminism has become a toxic female supremacy movement. It no longer cares about what's actually good for women, rather it's increasingly driven by extreme, irrational hatred of men.

Feminists cannot stand to see men seeming doing better than women in any aspect of life; the very thought fills them with rage. Having successfully feminised the education system to advantage girls over boys and lifted women to a majority of university students & graduates overall and in the vast majority of disciplines, they are now obsessively focussed on the last few remaining holdouts.

So feminists take for granted the fact that women have increased to 90% of vet science graduates for example, and now agonise over the fact that they are still only about 12% to 15% of CS and engineering graduates. Obviously that can't be allowed to continue, and feminists are enormously frustrated that decades of expensive programs to lift female interest in CS and engineering have failed to make any difference to female student numbers at all. Gee, it's almost as if...girls simply just aren't interested in those subjects!

We will really be much better off as a society once we eliminate the obsolete and hate-fuelled dogma of feminism. In the meantime, we should all push back on their nonsense and just let kids study whichever subjects most appeal to them, regardless of whether or not their choices are feminist-approved.

2017-07-22T16:09:35+00:00

Women and men need equal rights but that does not mean that they're not different.

Like it or not the majority of men and women will end up liking one career over the other that partially has to do with their gender.

It should be meritocracy. No issues would ever surface.

I believe that the "you're a woman you can't accomplish much in science and technology" mindset has nearly become extinct, and therefore the feminist movement in STEM wouldn't really serve a purpose anymore. Correct me if I'm wrong in anything.

The feminists just want men to be devalued as much as possible and this is just another piece of the puzzle.

Panel2468975 · 2017-07-22T16:12:01+00:00

Well one big problem, as an computer engineer, is that whenever I see a woman or a minority I am concerned if they actually know their stuff or are there to fill a quota. I give them the benefit of believing, but I am still on guard at the start.

HiilestTehtyAffena · 2017-07-22T18:45:30+00:00

A much more important social problem in education is the small share of male teachers. Why? It's been shown over and over again that

boys do better if there are more male teachers and
the education system is the most important tool the government/society has when trying to level the playing field AKA make the system more meritocratic.

But in this gynocentric world of ours almost nothing is talked, let alone done, about that, while the STEM question is high on the political agenda.

At the same time the number of boys who are falling behind is increasing year by year, generation by generation.

Because of this single issue alone, I don't believe in the political system anymore. Nothing is done though the very backbone of our civilization is cracking. Instead we (as a society) concentrate on minor issues - which, strangely enough, quite often, though by no means always, have something to do with "but we have to think about the women, too".

Don't come here and talk about women in STEM as if it was a big problem, if I'm allowed a dramatic ending like this :)

mikesteane · 2017-07-23T11:04:40+00:00

Did you find that your comments were ignored or you weren't taken seriously because of your gender?

JungFelixCulpa · 2017-07-22T17:43:41+00:00

This is really about equal opportunity vs equal outcome. Right now, women have equal opportunity by having equal rights as men. In this world, women and men are equals and compete as such. What feminists want is equal outcome . In this world, men and women don't compete based on merit but statistic goals. Living in a world of equal outcome, your sex is more important than your skills. Equal opportunity offers true equality to men and women.

Hannover_Fiste · 2017-07-23T03:43:19+00:00

I can't believe that all the people (feminists) who bitch about how so many obstacles are keeping women out of STEM are completely overlooking the one simple explanation that makes the most sense: maybe there is just a LARGER portion of men who gravitate toward the STEM fields! Doesn't mean there aren't outstanding women in them, doesn't mean that they are intentionally being excluded. But this bullshit about how there is this huge group of female students out there who are somehow being kept out of STEM due to some big gender bias conspiracy is insulting. (Hell, I know that the males in my undergraduate classes were actually excited to have women in their classes because it was usually a sausage fest in almost every class.) These initiatives only work if a) there are women out there who are being intentionally excluded, and b) those women ACTUALLY want to be in a STEM field.

Title	Attitudes towards women vs men in STEM
Author	PizzaAx
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Date	July 22, 2017 3:50 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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