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Daddy of all victories New dad wins payout after landmark sex discrimination case over paternity leave. Call centre worker told by telecoms giant Capita he could only have two weeks’ full pay, even though women got 14.

furchfur

June 12, 2017
90 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3778559/new-dad-wins-payout-after-landmark-sex-discrimination-case-over-paternity-leave/
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Title Daddy of all victories New dad wins payout after landmark sex discrimination case over paternity leave. Call centre worker told by telecoms giant Capita he could only have two weeks’ full pay, even though women got 14.
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furchfur

Upvotes 90
Comments 17
Date June 12, 2017 8:32 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6guxs9/daddy_of_all_victories_new_dad_wins_payout_after/
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Comments

[–]furchfur[S] 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

An employment tribunal has recently ruled that a male employee was the subject of direct sex discrimination when his employer did not allow him to take Shared Parental Leave at full pay to match their maternity pay policy

https://www.myfamilycare.co.uk/resources/news/ali-vs-capita-employment-tribunal-ruling-on-equal-rights-to-leave-and-pay/

[–]Tedesche 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Good news! The more this happens, the more men will stop accepting these forms of discrimination as normal and start objecting. That, in turn, will create awareness of other men's issues of and anti-male discrimination, and pretty soon, governments and companies will be forced to create truly gender-egalitarian laws and policies.

[–]rnDPrc 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Here's the crazy part, men and women aren't equal. We are now at this weird place where equality is being fought for (or used as an excuse for abuse), but in reality treating men and women equal would be like treating a person with one arm the same as a person with one leg.

In this case a man having less leave makes sense (although not as much as 2 weeks vs 14), since the woman had to carry the baby and is affected a lot more biologically. However, because feminists are pushing for women to have any rights they possibly can, no matter how unfair they are, we're left taking what we can get

[–]Tedesche 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When it comes to biology, yes treating men and women as exactly the same makes no sense...much of the time (I'm against lowering physical standards for women when it comes to things like qualifying for the army, police, firefighters, etc). And yes, giving women more leave due to pregnancy makes sense. But I still think this is a really important win, because it it's a major court case that draws attention to an important issue for men. We are not going to achieve gender equality anytime soon, maybe not ever. I am mainly concerned with getting the MRM to the point where it can adequately fight for men's issues and combat feminist misandry. We need a balanced system of advocacy, and attention to men's issues helps the MRM.

[–]furchfur[S] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You analysis is correct. What further muddies the waters is that the policy of the government is to get men to take on child rearing duties. Only if men take time off to look after the child will women gain more from staying in work. If there is discrimination in maternity / paternity pay then the couple will have a cash incentive for the woman to stay at home. This is at conflict with government policy.

Hence I doubt the case will be overturned.

[–]Incident-Pit 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I get where you are going here and I know you've almost hashed this out but I have to say: That would be a good arguement for a separate period of maternal recovery leave, possibly two or three weeks on top of the normal parental leave, not separate leave entitlement altogether.

[–]rnDPrc 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That would be the best

[–]andejoh 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's already there. It's called sick days / short term disability.

[–]andejoh 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is a difference between parental leave and sick leave. Parental leave should be the same. If women need to recover, it should fall under sick leave or disability.

[–]RapeMatters 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I spent some years in Asia. It was common where I was for women to give birth, take a fifteen minute break, then go back to work.

It's certainly true that some women need more time for biological reasons, but unless you're shortening leave to a month or less, the time should be adequate for her biological needs regardless.

[–]choaniki 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't be further from the truth. Some hide out for a month and even refuse to bathe.

[–]Mode1961 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This logic has always confuses me. If a woman needs say 12 weeks to recover to the point of being able to work (I just picked a number off the top of my head) why is giving men and women 12 weeks wrong. WHY does a woman get 12 weeks to recover and some amount of additional weeks to 'bond' where as a father only gets some amount of weeks to "bond" , would the mom be bonding AND recovering at the same time. It isn't like the mom is doing nothing at home while recovering.

[–]rnDPrc 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm ok with same amount, it was more of a general argument. Regardless I think some of the maternity leave is used before the baby is born due to the complications of going around with a 8.5 months around. Idk though

[–]Mgtow-uk 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yay!!!!

[–]dukunt 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They plan to appeal on what grounds??...men are inferior ro women regarding child rearing? A solid victory for equality!

[–]Rockbottom503 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now this is an interesting development!

[–]glassuser 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm kind of torn on these things in general because carrying a baby and giving birth is an actual legitimate medical concern that will affect some women and no men. There will necessarily be an inequality of legitimate need for medical leave with regard to childbirth.

But in this case, it sounds like he had a legitimate medical issue in his immediate family that he needed time off to address, so the generalities don't quite apply.

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