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Insurance company offers 16 per cent ‘gender pay gap’ discount to women. Says the only complaints come from MRAs.

EricAllonde

May 31, 2017
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http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/travel/insurance-company-offers-16-per-cent-gender-pay-gap-discount-to-women-and-men-who-identify-as-women/news-story/197023b54dce6f313c2d90c94631dff1
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Title Insurance company offers 16 per cent ‘gender pay gap’ discount to women. Says the only complaints come from MRAs.
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EricAllonde

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Date May 31, 2017 1:26 PM UTC
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Comments

[–]LionelHutz4 121 points122 points123 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

It won't be long before all men start 'identifying as women' for insurance purposes. Insurance companies have no idea what a clusterfuck they are setting themselves up for.

They have been screwing men over for years (especially car insurance) but as soon as you make it up to the customer to define their gender, the scam is done.

[–]the_unseen_one 30 points31 points32 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm already planning on identifying as a woman when I go back to university so I can get in on all the women only grants and scholarships. If they try to prevent me, I will threaten to sue them into the fucking earth, and I have little doubt I could find a greedy lawyer looking for an easy payday off the back of all the SJW hysteria. If you can't beat them, join them.

I never thought about doing the same for insurance and the like, but it's a good idea.

[–]bikemaul 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I suggest you document every interaction with the institution. Let us know how that goes.

[–]the_unseen_one 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I won't be going back for a couple of years since I am saving up right now (had to drop out due to financial troubles) but I definitely will under a different name.

[+]DonkeyWindBreaker points 9 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I would gladly identify as a woman to fuck over insurance companies.

[–]Appleseed12333 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I looked into this. Here in Ontario you need a doctor to write off on the fact you are actively trying to become a woman.

[–]jeff_the_nurse 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I do this currently.

[–]Apexbreed 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What country are you in? Do they give you a hard time, or willingly go along with you? Did you apply in person?

[–]jeff_the_nurse 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I applied over the phone, simply asking if they would honor my identifying as a woman (I actually identify as a man).

[–]myrodia 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Errr you know in typing this you kind of just admitted to insurance fraud. And by kind of I mean definitely.

[–]andejoh 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure if you can defraud someone who is engaging in an illegal act. It's not like the company is saying that women are a lower risk so they deserve the fiscount. Also, I doubt the company asks for tax returns so they can't really determine if an individual is suffering a pay gap.

Join a modeling agency and become a male model part time. Tell them there's a wage gap between you and the female models. Shouldn't even matter if you're not photogenic. Working fewer hours doesn't negate the gap by their fetermination.

[–]TwitchTV_Subbort 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lucky for me I have a gender neutral name. I've always disliked the name my parents have given me since it seemed more feminine and I've seen more women with the name. But i should have realized they were preparing me for the future when men are the oppressed ones to avoid discrimination. Can't wait to have the talk with my parents telling them I identify as a female to get equal rights.

[–]MelkorHimself 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll put $10 on Kelly, Leslie, or Logan.

[–]Lethn 68 points69 points70 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

“Women get it, despite men making noise and thinking that the gender pay gap is a myth, women live it and understand it. Overwhelmingly men are at the higher levels of business, and they need to be constantly vigilant of their embedded biases.”

This may as well translate to, "Men who say the gender pay gap is a myth are wrong because I say so, so there" how in the fuck did this moron become founder of an insurance company? You really can do anything if you follow along with the progressive narrative.

Critics of the gender pay gap argue the differences in average earnings result from life choices made by women, and do not account for occupation, position, education, experience or hours worked. But proponents say there is evidence that women are paid less than men for doing the same jobs.

How the fuck are we still talking about this? People have been making the same perfectly valid points and feminists respond by linking the exact same bullshit, lazily done averages. Instead of taking into account hours worked and experience they just lie again about this horseshit and claim "There you go, same position, they're being discriminated against, Durrrr".

But because discrimination is technically illegal, it’s not usually as overt as an HR directive to pay Steve more than Sandra. During salary negotiations, for example, women are routinely offered a lower base rate salary than men, and then penalised when they try to negotiate — so their male counterparts end up getting more.

Total bollocks yet again, I'll bet these people are doing some dodgy research yet again to come up with these numbers because it has already been recorded a number of times that employers because of feminists like this writer are tripping over themselves to look like the good guys and hire as many women as possible especially in places like the tech industry and so on.

Argh, the arrogance is fucking astounding, I shouldn't be surprised anymore but the levels they take it to is unbelievable in order to push their bullshit narrative.

[–]KaiRaiUnknown 34 points35 points36 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The best part about this, is they always go for the CEO card. They've been laying low since a mainstream study was done that showed female CEOs earning more than their male counterpart on average.

Insurance has always been a whole host of scams though. Rampant industry wide sexism is the norm.

Souce: paid £3000 for my first insurance when the girl across the road paid £1700, back in 2009

[–]Lethn 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Car insurance in particular drives me absolutely mad so I feel your pain and people just dismiss it as nothing while completely ignoring the fact that one of the reasons youth unemployment will be so high is because they won't even be able to afford to get to their places of work in the first fucking place.

[–]KaiRaiUnknown 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This! So much. All I got was "men are boy racers etc"

Like no, I need my dented 1996 Renault Clio 1.2 to drive to work. Who was I likely to be racing in that?!

[–]Lethn 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly, you can get the shittiest car possible and for me at least I'm still charged £1000 or more a year to have my own policy and I'm somebody with two years no claims bonus, the people making those types of comments can fuck off, I will fight them over this.

I absolutely hate it, if the Conservatives for example wanted to win over younger voters they should either make it easier for car insurance companies to get founded ( My ideal thing ) so prices would go lower due to competition. Or alternatively do something like Japan where the compulsory insurance over there is fixed, which is literally the only time you would ever see me suggest price fixing for an economy but that's because it would temporarily fix the problem short term then maybe they can get rid of all the regulations long term.

The reason being is because they are pretty much a government cartel particularly here, so the government should get to work fixing it and let a free market happen again.

[–]KaiRaiUnknown 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its definitely a monopoly. Im 26 now, had my licence for 7 years, and 5 years no claims. 1100 was still the cheapest I got. Got quoted 4500 by tesco (no, seriously) while my SO got hers from tesco for 600 quid. If its compulsary, it needs to be a bit more affordable, because that industry is straight up theft

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This may as well translate to, "Men who say the gender pay gap is a myth are wrong because I say so, so there" how in the fuck did this moron become founder of an insurance company? You really can do anything if you follow along with the progressive narrative.

Ask them why they pay men more than women. Then they'll explain they don't, and the reason we all know will come out. As I'm sure that men that work there earn more too when just comparing average earnings.

Then add it to the list of other companies/groups who did the same. Then compile it, and ask the apt question "Which companies are actually paying women less?" Because the answer, we all know, is none.

If they were, they'd be sued into the ground. Every single company who supports the wage gap myth, ends up with someone asking them about why they pay women less. And then they turn around and give the exact same explanation in defense of themselves that disproves the entire wage gap myth. Obama administration did it, rando car company I can't recall did it, it's just ridiculous at this point.

it's all so tedious.

[–]Rethgil 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fact is, all it takes to suck in gullible feminist consumers to buy insurance from them is a banner saying 'we're accounting for the (fake) wage gap'. THATS why this company is doing it. Morality has nothing to do with such a decision by these leeches. The irony is that when you think about it, it means the customers who fell for such blatant misandrist rubbish are actually being tricked and their gullibility preyed upon.

[–]p3ngwin 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it’s not usually as overt as an HR directive to pay Steve more than Sandra...

curious why they believe this considering 70% - 90% of HR staff are female.

[–]TwitchTV_Subbort 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be fair religious people keep arguing real facts from countless people and sources over the years, sighting their one source that is full of misinformation. There are a lot of dumb people that can't accept the truth because it would shatter their fragile world, so they continue to live in their delusional world.

[–]WillMeatLover 30 points31 points32 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Insurance company offers 16 per cent 'white only' discount to whites. Says only complaints come from blacks."

Damn annoying blacks, amirite?

[–]Eyem_beta_xen_u 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

We still offer services to blacks, and if black choose to say they identify as a white, they can get the discount as well.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points45 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So, a 50 year old surgeon earning $500 000 a month will get an insurance cheaper than, say, $1 000 earning garbage man, if she just can prove she has a vagina. Sounds absolutely reasonable. :D

I would never have any customer relationship with a firm that stupid and unfair. But, hey it's their business if the local law doesn't forbid it.

Besides it will get more expensive for the men compared to a fair system, that is, not only compared to the unfair system. That's because somebody must pay for the reduced price and there are only two sexes.

[–]WillMeatLover 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Insurance doesn't have to do with how much you earn though. It has to do with what you are buying. A 50 year old surgeon earning $500,000 a month shouldn't be charged MORE for earning more either.

[–]the_unseen_one 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think that is what they were saying. It seemed to me that they were saying that charging either party different prices because of a pay gap, real or imaginary, is silly.

[–]DonkeyWindBreaker 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Congratulations! You win the understanding award today!

[–]-redditardation- 21 points22 points23 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Women tend to cost insurance companies more than men... it's why they tend to be charged more especially later in life.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Wasn't this changed in the US? Or maybe I'm thinking of fat people. I don't remember, but I recall something like that happening and thinking that it was stupid; since men pay more for car insurance for the same reason. Statistically they are going to cost the car insurance company more, so they charge us more. Even if we are personally better drivers than women. They still generalize.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the US, it is illegal to charge women more for health insurance. Or car insurance.

If you're going to discriminate, the premium needs to be on men.

[–]-redditardation- 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure if this was changed in the US but the difference in car insurance price is another good example.

On average men tend to have more severe accidents and in total cost the car companies more so it is reasonable to charge them more.

If it was changed that would just be another case of how one sided the concern over 'discrimination' (even though it isn't but it will obviously be framed as such) is.

[–]EpicHuggles 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Men also drive WAY more than women so by pure chance men would have more accidents than women.

[–]-redditardation- 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's another fair point. I haven't seen any info on the effective cost to insurers per mile of travel for men vs. women.

Would be interesting enough to know.

Since you mention that men probably also drive far more miles on large roads or highways which would be conducive to having less frequent but more severe accidents. The same way women probably do a lot of short distance small road travel that involves a lot of parking or shopping would be conducive to more minor scratches, bumps and scrapes.

[–]hackableyou 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is a political move. The company has feminist thinking and of course is also trying to use this to make MRAs look bad even though they don't know for sure if all of the complaints have come from MRAs. More assumptions led to believe are facts.

They say sales have increased 45 percent, probably all from women. It is most likely due to just giving a discount. If they dropped prices to all customers, sales would have probably increased by 90 percent (45 percent from males they are missing).

[–]Amogh24 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I would urge men to drop this insurance and shift to another provider.

[–]hackableyou 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And I would do the same if I were in that area.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

We still offer services to men, and if men choose to say they identify as a woman, they can get the discount as well.

We still offer services to homosexuals, and if the gays choose to say they identify as straight, they can get the discount as well.

This isn't going to lead to something bad at all. Nope. So sir. Not a chance. /sarcasm

[–]Amogh24 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

In an unexpected turn of events, thousands of people have suddenly come out as gay. Surprisingly they all have the same insurance provider

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

But coming out as gay would prevent them from getting the discount.

[–]Amogh24 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I didn't get the meaning of tie comment then

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A long time ago, but still in the memory of older Americans, there was a time when being openly homosexual was socially punished. Many gay men chose to live their lives 'in the closet' to avoid social sanctions. Today we view LGBT people entirely differently (well, most of us anyway; there are a few regressive cave-dwellers). It would be considered socially bad if a company were to 'force' or 'encourage' homosexuals to go back into the closet.

The men who are claiming to be a woman to get a discount are those analogous to the gays who go back into the closet to avoid social sanction. These men are denying their heterosexual masculinity to avoid social sanction. For a country which tries to pride itself on inclusion and acceptance of everybody, we are awfully eager to punish men who are unabashedly masculine for embracing their gender and sexual identity.

Does that help explain my comment ?

[–]Amogh24 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh. Got it now. I got confused there for a moment. This is all a problem due to gender equality laws never have been made both ways

[–]DavidByron2 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Surely this is illegal even in Australia?

But according to Ben Webster, co-founder of Travel With Jane, all men have to do to claim the discount — which is “definitely not a gimmick” — is say they identify as female.

Regardless men need to start doing this and doing it a lot. It would immediately put these bigots on the back foot.

[–]Bewolfs 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They want all men to identify as women to trap us into the feminist female supremacist narrative.

[–]lesbefriendly 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably a scam to get men to say they're women, so they can prove fraud and deny payouts when claims are made.

[–]Rasalom72 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nope... someone needs to get this in writing and then sue. The only way to bring these morons into understanding that IT'S AGAINST THE LAW TO DISCRIMINATE...

[–]superhobo666 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It might be illegal to discriminate but the overwhelming majority of courts don't give a rats ass if the victim is a man.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If they had consulted Feminists, they would have been told that it's the white cis men they really want to discriminate against. Only they always earn more than everybody else. Now Feminists should be starting a boycott against the firm, because now a homosexual Muslim dressing up as a cat might have to pay more just because of hiers genitals.

But, to be frank, this intersectionality it's just one of Feminist lies. When push comes to shove there'll be just men and women in their ideology, and it's men they're after.

[–]Rethgil 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can someone find out who their parent company is, or any other companies they own, or who are part of their network?

That way we can threaten them with a social media campaign of boycotting everything to do with them. The power of this is about how much they are worked at what MIGHT happen as a result, so don't worry about how we could organise it right now.

A few emails from a few of us informing them of this intention of a social media announced boycott of all associated companies on the grounds of sexism that will be leaked to the media can work wonders.... Especially if it was one person who dreamed up their original idea to favour women; if that person thinks their job is at risk, you'd be surprised how little it takes to make them rethink things.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck them and hope they get more coverage so their fucking disgusting business burns out.

But at the end of the day, we're not communists here. They have every right to do this.

[–]EricAllonde[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree.

If women rush to buy from this company because they like the dishonest and misandrist marketing campaign, then that's fine. They're entitled to do that.

It is annoying that our society is hypocritical in that it would never tolerate the reverse, that any company with a hint of misogyny in its marketing or even just a company trying to focus on male customers has to deal with a hysterical witch hunt by feminists and SJWs determined to put them out of business.

But that's not the fault of this insurance company, they're merely exploiting the double standards for their own gain.

[–]disposable_me_0001 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, at least its 16% now instead of 23% that was the standard line before. Progress?

[–]andejoh 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe it was 23 percent, but they couldn't afford to give the discount. If you're making up a wage gap anyway any number will do.

[–]atheist4thecause 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The more they blame MRA's for complaining, the more they will push the average person to become pro-MRA. There isn't much they could do to help us more than this to be honest.

[–]jeff_the_nurse 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What, $200 per month less than a man isn't enough?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's the parent company/underwriters in Oz...

http://hollard.com.au/

They originated in South Africa, but have branched out globally. They also provide services to brokers, so you might not know you have insurance with them.

“People from the US have threatened us with legal action and all kinds of things,” he said. “They’re not going to get very far."

They can always cancel any insurance they have that are underwritten by Hollard. The thing is with insurance that you can almost always get a better deal from somewhere else.

[–]andejoh 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

"Mr Webster said there was no gender pay gap at his company, which employs seven men and five women."

Pay disparity, the most pervasive thing in society that no one engages in. Of course there's no gender pay gap at their company they pay the same. I wonder how he got the men and women at his company to make the same life choices? Sounds fishy to me.

[–]superhobo666 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably doesn't pay the men for their extra 20-40 hours of overtime a week.

[–]feedmecarrots 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This business should be financially astute to know that the pay gap myth is a lie. What worries me is that they are sanctioned by the government to look after other people's money.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shouldn't it be easy to drag them to court and sue them for discimination?

[–]MelkorHimself 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“I’m giving away margin to do this,” he said.

You're about to give away a lot more when all your customers identify as women, and since you allow them to do this the closing of your business is a very real possibility.

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